Bad day in Indy
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What a loss. I would think the 18yr old kid is pretty shaken up on the ordeal but the fact that the story does not say what may have caused this kid to cross over and kill these innocent people leads me to think that there was no good reason. What a damn shame.
God bless those suffering thru this.
God bless those suffering thru this.
Kevin Daly
YES I ran the fatty over!!
What a tragety. what was he thinking?
vectervp1
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Why isn't he resting in a jail cell right now?
Total crock of B/S there.....
Total crock of B/S there.....
mdisher
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ponyfool
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Why is it BS? There are so many possibilities that could explain what happened, including a blow out, tie rod failure, etc. Not all of which would be criminal.
Not trying to start any type of flame war, but making rash decisions without ANY investigative information is, IMO, what is BS!
If the investigation proves he was texting his girlfriend, didn't like bikers, fell asleep, was drunk, or any number of other factors that would lead to culpability, that's when I would expect criminal charges, but not before then.
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mdisher
formerly Renegade, get used to it.
I think, because in a lot of traffic situations, you're guilty until proven innocent. Crossing the double yellow into a pack of police escorted bikes takes something special.
Blow out? There's still an element of controlling your vehicle. Is it easy? no not always, but I wouldn't expect this person to be resting at home. It will be interesting to see how this ends up.
It is still a tragedy none the less.
mdisher
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Well there you have it:
The results
Something about failing to control your vehicle (and crossing the center line) killing 3 and not being held accountable bothers me. I understand the law as it is, it wasn't 'criminal', but it's not as though he was pulled over for simply crossing the yellow line. That action, in this case killed 3.
I suppose if he's gone after civilly he'll never make a dime the rest of his life. Maybe that's worse than rotting in jail? I don't know.
The results
Wow, it's sad indeed.
Something about failing to control your vehicle (and crossing the center line) killing 3 and not being held accountable bothers me. I understand the law as it is, it wasn't 'criminal', but it's not as though he was pulled over for simply crossing the yellow line. That action, in this case killed 3.
I suppose if he's gone after civilly he'll never make a dime the rest of his life. Maybe that's worse than rotting in jail? I don't know.
cougar8000
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That is a very sad story and even sadder ending. I guess legally there is very little prosecutor can do under the current laws. At the end of the story it says that he locked up and car skid onto the oncoming riders. I can see him not paying attention to the road and watching the bikes and then suddenly boom. But doesn't 2006 has ABS on it. I could not find any info on this car. It apears that there was no 06 model year for this car.
in any case. there has to be tougher laws for this then one year license suspension and fines.
in any case. there has to be tougher laws for this then one year license suspension and fines.
GA CYCLE RIDER
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It has been a long time since I posted up anything, but now is the time. The accident was and is a total drag. I see the comments on what should happen to the youngster at the wheel of the car. One thing I have not read was anyone making note that in the article about the crash that stated than none of the dead was wearing a helmet. The impact on the upper body could for sure do a person in with or without a helmet. My bet is that with the added protection of a helmet could have reduced the fatality count.
radman
R.I.P. Our Motorcycling Friend
Well then, thats different. They deserved to die, as do all who fail to heed the ATGATT Creedo.
Live to Ride-Ride to Die
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fretbender
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This is the part of summer that don't look forward to. Way too much of this stuff happening. The older I get (I'm 33 now), the more I realize that the natural consequences of things are often WAY more severe than the action/intent of action would seem to warrant. . .or maybe I've been raised in an overindulgent/forgiving environment. Either way. . .scary stuff. That ride to die link is pretty gruesome. :blink:
It sounds like he hit the bikers and kept on going. If he head a break failure, he could of swerved and avoided some of the bikes. If he had a steering failure, he could of braked to avoid them, but he did nothing. Sounds very suspicious
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madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
That is a seriously gruesome link! Almost enough to make one think twice...nah, it couldn't happen to me... :dribble:
ponyfool
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If you are driving down the road, at or below the speed limit in a new town and somehow miss a stop sign, do you think you should go to jail?
But if you hit someone, and they die, now you should go to jail for the exact same violation?
If that's your thinking, then you are looking at an outcome based sense of justice, and that's not what our legal system is based on. It is primarily based on a culpable mental state, ie: intentionally, recklessly or negligently.
Now, add to it speeding, racing, drinking, or any other factors, and you have escalated the culpable mental state where a criminal charge could and should be applied.
However, having said all that, I do believe that crossing a double yellow is a serious violation. I'd like to know WHY he crossed the double yellow! We had a situation here recently where a woman crossing a double yellow to pass another vehicle hit a bicyclist (maybe it was 2 of them), and they died. In my opinion, she should have been charged with a crime because to me, passing on a double yellow is reckless driving.....yes, even for a bike!
But if you hit someone, and they die, now you should go to jail for the exact same violation?
If that's your thinking, then you are looking at an outcome based sense of justice, and that's not what our legal system is based on. It is primarily based on a culpable mental state, ie: intentionally, recklessly or negligently.
Now, add to it speeding, racing, drinking, or any other factors, and you have escalated the culpable mental state where a criminal charge could and should be applied.
However, having said all that, I do believe that crossing a double yellow is a serious violation. I'd like to know WHY he crossed the double yellow! We had a situation here recently where a woman crossing a double yellow to pass another vehicle hit a bicyclist (maybe it was 2 of them), and they died. In my opinion, she should have been charged with a crime because to me, passing on a double yellow is reckless driving.....yes, even for a bike!
mdisher
formerly Renegade, get used to it.
Excellent post and point Scott...
I think what bothers me the most about this is that there were 100 or so riders in that group with a Police escort, and that fact that the driver was young. (I have a son that's just now has his temps, and these things hit home a little harder than they used too).
You know he was fully aware of the bikes, or should have been given that he passed half of them. I too would really like to know what compelled him to swerve left over the center line. The paper said he had locked up his brakes to avoid hitting something... (of course newspapers are always right, especially our mighty fine Enquirer) Was he not paying attention because he was on his cell? Because he was playing with the radio? Who knows?
I do know this is simply tragic any way you slice it.
cougar8000
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Did you guys missed it in the story or my post? He was not paying attention and saw someone stopped on front of him and locked his brakes and car skid across the double yellow. At least that is what I read.
