I didn't trust an xgrip, no matter how much I heard others swear by them. So for a while, I only used one for my work iphone. But I've been unable to shake an otterbox ensconced phone loose. For over a year now. I still use the rubber tethers. Too cheap a form of insurance not to buy. But I leave it off half the time. My givi tankbag has a dedicated pocket/window for a phone. But evidently the French only use tiny phones. Even an iphone 5 would have to be sans case and well lubed to fit into that pocket. Reeediculous. I like my phone up high anyway. If I wanted to look at my crotch to see the screen, I'd get a Harley. If I couldn't use an xgrip up high on the handlebar, I'd steal Hud's dash under cover of night.