BMW K1600GT & GTL

[beemerdons]

Mister scubatech: Right now, ALL of the Arizona BMW Dealers have completely sold out their allotments of K1600's for Year 2011. If I was to want one, I would not be able to get my hands on a K1600GT until 2012. Lots of Gold Wing Owners are moving over to the K1600, according to my Sales friends who have taken deposits for the K1600 at Iron Horse BMW in Tucson, Victory BMW in Chandler and Scottsdale BMW.

 

[scubatech]

Mister scubatech: Right now, ALL of the Arizona BMW Dealers have completely sold out their allotments of K1600's for Year 2011. If I was to want one, I would not be able to get my hands on a K1600GT until 2012. Lots of Gold Wing Owners are moving over to the K1600, according to my Sales friends who have taken deposits for the K1600 at Iron Horse BMW in Tucson, Victory BMW in Chandler and Scottsdale BMW.

I guess you would have to go to a less popular area for riding to get your order in. BMW definitely scored a sales winner with these two models!!

I'm glad to see some serious bike selling in this economy.

 

[beemerdons]

K1600GT ridden in South Africa.

 

[beemerdons]

More South Africa K1600GT riding!

 

[BwanaDik]

Here's the GTL



WTF? It sounds like my buddy's Softtail the way it drags around the corners??? Is the clearance that much less on the GTL vs. the GT??

 

[beemerdons]

Here's the GTL

BwanaDik, The wind noise on that video was really annoying to listen to, but I am with you in that I thought I heard some dragging in the corners also!

BD, did you feel this test riders M/C skills were sorely lacking? Weird body positioning, strange lean angles and all over white centerline and his lane!

I'm only interested in a GT, not the GTL; the proof of the pudding is going to be in my Test Ride! Scottsdale BMW has promised me an hour on their demo.

At 2 minute mark of the film, were those monkeys running across the road? I know South Africa definitely has monkeys; Bust would be looking for sheep!

 

[BwanaDik]

Yes, definitely monkeys on the road.

You can hear him drag at .36, .54, and 2:51 at the least. The camera angles are weird, there are times it's lined up inside the right fairing, at other times it's almost lined up with the mirror. Wonder if it's on gimbles like the headlight or something?

 

[escapefjrtist]

...did you feel this test riders M/C skills were sorely lacking? Weird body positioning, strange lean angles and all over white centerline and his lane!

No kidding Don. Hard to tell from the camera angles, but the bike was dragging in a lot of corners. And what's up with whacking on the throttle like that? Looks like an accident waiting to happen to me. Just my $.02 of course.

--G

 

[TheBlueStreak]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

 

[phroenips]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

A few posts earlier was this gem:

Ride West BMW in Seattle have just published the prices on their Facebook Wall

 

K1600GT Base $20,900

K1600GT Fully Loaded(*) $24,540

 

 

K1600GTL Base $23,200

K1600GTL Fully Loaded(*) $25845

 

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals

Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc

 

All information from thier facebook wall

 

Lower than I thought it would be, looks like that puts it firmly in goldwing territory

Let the games begin.....

 

DB

 

[beemerdons]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

As phroenips and DABRIT have previously pointed out, it is very obvious that BMW was working super hard to beat the pricing on the Honda Gold Wing 1800!

$27,999 - $25,845 = $2,154. A fully loaded BMW K1600GTL beating out a fully loaded GL1800 by over two grand is an extremely powerful sales margin incentive.

Reflects what my friends at Scottsdale BMW, Victory BMW and Iron Horse BMW here in Arizona are telling me: A lot of their sales deposits have been by GL owners!

Since I am only interested in the K1600GT Base Model period, none of the following "Scheissen" means machts nichts to Papa Chuy Viejo:

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals

Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc

 

[LAF]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

As phroenips and DABRIT have previously pointed out, it is very obvious that BMW was working super hard to beat the pricing on the Honda Gold Wing 1800!

$27,999 - $25,845 = $2,154. A fully loaded BMW K1600GTL beating out a fully loaded GL1800 by over two grand is an extremely powerful sales margin incentive.

Reflects what my friends at Scottsdale BMW, Victory BMW and Iron Horse BMW here in Arizona are telling me: A lot of their sales deposits have been by GL owners!

Since I am only interested in the K1600GT Base Model period, none of the following "Scheissen" means machts nichts to Papa Chuy Viejo:

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals

Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc

Early on speculation was the GTL was to be the Wing killer. At that price point it should be. But Honda is due for an update on the Wing so who the heck knows.

I am opposite of you I want a maxed out GTL and if in a year or two, they prove out I will have one. Even on the LT you scraped the center stand at times. Some guys wore the feet of theirs to stubs. I guess we will see how buggy these new bikes may be.

The GT will probably just flat out fly but for me the sportier seating position rules it out. Look forward to hearing your test ride report. I also lurk the BMW forum still so lots of chatter there on these 2 new bikes.

 

[beemerdons]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

As phroenips and DABRIT have previously pointed out, it is very obvious that BMW was working super hard to beat the pricing on the Honda Gold Wing 1800!

$27,999 - $25,845 = $2,154. A fully loaded BMW K1600GTL beating out a fully loaded GL1800 by over two grand is an extremely powerful sales margin incentive.

Reflects what my friends at Scottsdale BMW, Victory BMW and Iron Horse BMW here in Arizona are telling me: A lot of their sales deposits have been by GL owners!

Since I am only interested in the K1600GT Base Model period, none of the following "Scheissen" means machts nichts to Papa Chuy Viejo:

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals

Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc

Early on speculation was the GTL was to be the Wing killer. At that price point it should be. But Honda is due for an update on the Wing so who the heck knows.

I am opposite of you I want a maxed out GTL and if in a year or two, they prove out I will have one. Even on the LT you scraped the center stand at times. Some guys wore the feet of theirs to stubs. I guess we will see how buggy these new bikes may be.

The GT will probably just flat out fly but for me the sportier seating position rules it out. Look forward to hearing your test ride report. I also lurk the BMW forum still so lots of chatter there on these 2 new bikes.

https://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=75 Right on, LAF; still tons of chatter on BMW MOA Forum, seems to be intensifying the closer to delivery it gets. I did not participate in the K1600 Priority $500 Advance Deposit Program. But my close friends at the AZ Beemers BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Club #89 did.

Enrique "Henry" Garza preordered a K1600GT and Brian "El Jefe" Boles preordered a K1600GTL. My close friend Steve Bittner at Scottsdale BMW, also a good friend of FJR Forum Administator SkooterG-GregM, has promised me a minimum of an hour demo on the first K1600GT that he gets his hands on! I'll Race Bartlett Lake Road!

My back and shoulders are still in great shape, for a 62 year old Reprobate, so a sportier riding position is absolute must for me. Also, I hate GPS and M/C Electronics!

 

[LAF]

I just looked at the BMW site, $23,200 for the GLT base model. So that's a little less expensive than a base GL1800 at $22,900. But I think you get more on the GL1800. A fully loaded GL1800 is $27,999 so a fully loaded BMW should be about the same.

As phroenips and DABRIT have previously pointed out, it is very obvious that BMW was working super hard to beat the pricing on the Honda Gold Wing 1800!

$27,999 - $25,845 = $2,154. A fully loaded BMW K1600GTL beating out a fully loaded GL1800 by over two grand is an extremely powerful sales margin incentive.

Reflects what my friends at Scottsdale BMW, Victory BMW and Iron Horse BMW here in Arizona are telling me: A lot of their sales deposits have been by GL owners!

Since I am only interested in the K1600GT Base Model period, none of the following "Scheissen" means machts nichts to Papa Chuy Viejo:

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals

Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc

Early on speculation was the GTL was to be the Wing killer. At that price point it should be. But Honda is due for an update on the Wing so who the heck knows.

I am opposite of you I want a maxed out GTL and if in a year or two, they prove out I will have one. Even on the LT you scraped the center stand at times. Some guys wore the feet of theirs to stubs. I guess we will see how buggy these new bikes may be.

The GT will probably just flat out fly but for me the sportier seating position rules it out. Look forward to hearing your test ride report. I also lurk the BMW forum still so lots of chatter there on these 2 new bikes.

https://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=75 Right on, LAF; still tons of chatter on BMW MOA Forum, seems to be intensifying the closer to delivery it gets. I did not participate in the K1600 Priority $500 Advance Deposit Program. But my close friends at the AZ Beemers BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Club #89 did.

Enrique "Henry" Garza preordered a K1600GT and Brian "El Jefe" Boles preordered a K1600GTL. My close friend Steve Bittner at Scottsdale BMW, also a good friend of FJR Forum Administator SkooterG-GregM, has promised me a minimum of an hour demo on the first K1600GT that he gets his hands on! I'll Race Bartlett Lake Road!

My back and shoulders are still in great shape, for a 62 year old Reprobate, so a sportier riding position is absolute must for me. Also, I hate GPS and M/C Electronics!

Here is all the reading you could ever want on the new GT and GTL. GT and GTL Info

They even have a pre-order listing. Bunch of guys bought bikes sight unseen.

As I said I need to watch this over the next two years. It is speculated a May delivery bur most think that to be optimistic. Depending on where you read the pre-order is in the 700 bike range! Considering the economy that is a bunch of bikes. I just have to wait and see how they work out the first year or two.

I will run the FJR with a grin ear to ear in the meantime with little to no worries on reliability.

While my 07 LT was perfect for 34,000 miles until I destroyed her, many LT owners were not so fortunate. If they get the GT and GTL right I will own one in a few years. But all but 26K +tax, tag, and delivery/prep fee makes it hard to justify a untested platform for me in my current economic status. Since I own the FJR outright and only have 112 miles on her, I got miles of smiles to go before I loose interest. Besides don't you think they have "cheapened" the look of those bikes? They certainly look more and more like any other ST bike, to me anyway. Yes that six is calling my name but you are going to need Premium gas and in VA and WV a few years ago it was hard to find for the LT. And gas prices are expected to hit 4.00 by mid summer. Regular gas in the FJR is a big plus and from my first ride not sure what a six will do for me that the FJR cant?

 

[2006FJR]

I have decided this will be my next bike. I am going to 100% own one but the timing is the only thing in question. Will it be the first round in a pre order, no. Will it be a year from now? Not sure. Will it be a new or used one in the next 24 months, yep. So I am going to start saving now so I can pay cash in 24 months and that will give me time to decided on the GT vs the GTL. I actually want the GT but if my wife convinces me we are going to continue to do many long rides together then I will get the GTL. The only thing that will keep me from getting one will have to do with the amount of issues they come out with and address or choose not to address. I have grown to love the reliability of my FJR and I do not want that to change by spending more and moving to BMW. This is the first time I have not bought emotionally and much of that has to do with how careful I am with my money in this economy. This is a big purchase for us and I want to take all costs into consideration before pulling the trigger on my dream bike. Regardless of the model I decided to buy, I am going to get the bike with all of the bells and whistles. I want as much technology as you can muster on next bike and I love the fact I will be coming from the factory the way I want it.

 

[beemerdons]

https://www.mexicomike.com/database/runner/public/mx_fuel_prices_list.php I'm not sweating finding premium for a BMW K1600GT, I already drive/ride over the Mexican border to buy Diesel @$2.92USD for my Jeep Liberty SUV with a Volvo engine and Premium @$3.20USD for my BMW R1150RT.

I like the looks of the new K1600GT a lot, the BMW K1200LT looks and performance never appealed to me! The proof of the pudding and the selling point for Papa Chuy is going to be all wrapped up in the test ride of a BMW K1600GT. If I like it, then I just buy it!

I'm muy Loco about both of the colors too. Just toss a coin for Papa Chuy, I like both the red and the silver!

 

[MCRIDER007]

Kevin Ash just published the results of his road test of the K1600GT. I was surprised at his comments about the engine's low end power and the fuel mileage in US gallons. Enjoy:

https://ashonbikes.com/content/bmw-k1600gt-review

 

[beemerdons]

Kevin Ash just published the results of his road test of the K1600GT. I was surprised at his comments about the engine's low end power and the fuel mileage in US gallons. Enjoy:

https://ashonbikes.com/content/bmw-k1600gt-review

Many Thanks MCRIDER007, Very Informative K1600GT Article!

 

[RaYzerman19]

https://www.mexicomike.com/database/runner/public/mx_fuel_prices_list.php I'm not sweating finding premium for a BMW K1600GT, I already drive/ride over the Mexican border to buy Diesel @$2.92USD for my Jeep Liberty SUV with a Volvo engine and Premium @$3.20USD for my BMW R1150RT.

I like the looks of the new K1600GT a lot, the BMW K1200LT looks and performance never appealed to me! The proof of the pudding and the selling point for Papa Chuy is going to be all wrapped up in the test ride of a BMW K1600GT. If I like it, then I just buy it!

I'm muy Loco about both of the colors too. Just toss a coin for Papa Chuy, I like both the red and the silver!

Papa, although retired now, I seem to recall we bought the Liberty diesels from VM Motori, an Italian firm partly owned by DaimlerChrysler... although in the 80's before Chrysler, there was an affiliation with engine maker PRV (Peugeot-Renault-Volvo). I'm not sure yours is a Volvo if it's recent, but then again, I've been gone a while......

I think there's been way too much Beemer silver, the red ones are much much nicer!!

 

[beemerdons]

https://www.mexicomike.com/database/runner/public/mx_fuel_prices_list.php I'm not sweating finding premium for a BMW K1600GT, I already drive/ride over the Mexican border to buy Diesel @$2.92USD for my Jeep Liberty SUV with a Volvo engine and Premium @$3.20USD for my BMW R1150RT.

I like the looks of the new K1600GT a lot, the BMW K1200LT looks and performance never appealed to me! The proof of the pudding and the selling point for Papa Chuy is going to be all wrapped up in the test ride of a BMW K1600GT. If I like it, then I just buy it!

I'm muy Loco about both of the colors too. Just toss a coin for Papa Chuy, I like both the red and the silver!

Papa, although retired now, I seem to recall we bought the Liberty diesels from VM Motori, an Italian firm partly owned by DaimlerChrysler... although in the 80's before Chrysler, there was an affiliation with engine maker PRV (Peugeot-Renault-Volvo). I'm not sure yours is a Volvo if it's recent, but then again, I've been gone a while......

I think there's been way too much Beemer silver, the red ones are much much nicer!!

Hi Ray, According to Airpark Jeep in Scottsdale where I bought my Jeep new (special ordered it!) and Darner Jeep in Mesa where I have my Liberty serviced: The 4 cylinder Liberty diesel engine is built and assembled in Italy by VM Motori to a Volvo Inc. engineered design. I would love to know more about my diesel engine!

Brother Ray, since you were in the business: How can I obtain or purchase a Service Manual for my 2.8 liter Common Rail Diesel engine? I've asked about buying it before at Airpark and Darner and they acted like I was trying to steal top secret state files! I've gone to Haynes, Chilton and Clymer trying to buy one; but with no luck!

I did buy the copy of Diesel Power magazine from 2006 that very accurately describes my turbo-diesel, I would just like to know more about my rig: Here is the article:

"Jeep Liberty 2.8L VM Motori Turbodiesel - Road Test

Jeep's Diesel-Powered Liberty

April, 2006 issue of Diesel Power / Photography by Courtesy of Daimler Chrysler, by David Kennedy. Type and Description: Four-cylinder, inline, liquid-cooled Displacement: 171 ci (2,768 cc) Bore x Stroke: 3.70x3.94 in (94x100 mm) Valve System: Belt drive, DOHC, 16-valveFuel Injection: Direct injection, common rail, 23,000 psi Construction: Cast-iron block, aluminum cylinder head Compression Ratio: 17.5:1 Horsepower: 160 at 3,800 rpm Torque: 295 lb-ft at 1,800 rpmMax. Engine Speed: 4,300 rpm, electronically governedOil Capacity: 6.3 qt Coolant Capacity: 13.2 qtEmission Controls: EGR, catalytic converters

We'd take the 2.8L VM Motori turbodiesel in the Jeep Liberty over the 3.7L gasoline V-6 any day! We'll even go so far as to say the new common-rail diesel (CRD) engine is good enough to make people consider buying a Liberty that would never even have given this Jeep a second look before. The 2.8L's impressive torque lags a little off the line, but load it down and the turbo builds enough boost to give you 295 lb-ft of torque at only 1,800 rpm. The Liberty's acceleration is good. We didn't get any speeding tickets in the diesel Jeep, but it will spin the tires. We're more into the Liberty's fuel economy performance. Though we only averaged 20 mpg over our 533-mile test, we were able to achieve 30 mpg on some highway runs. Currently, the Liberty diesel is only available with the five-speed automatic, but the quick shifting transmission keeps the dual over head cam (DOHC) four-valve engine right in its powerband. When we popped the hood to check out this new diesel, we were pleasantly surprised to see an Optima RedTop battery anchoring the electrical system.

We suspect Jeep is working hard to downplay the cute-ute stigma that plagues the diesel Liberty with most male buyers. Love it or hate it, we know the looks make it hard for the man of the house to drive around town without his buddies kidding him about it. As much as we love the new engine, even we still feel kind of dorky driving it.

Once you get inside the Liberty, any feeling of dorkiness is replaced by the command-seating potion this 4x4 has. In our minds, it (and the fuel economy) makes this the perfect urban commuter Jeep. But, on a cross-country trip, that same sitting position was deemed to be less comfortable. It takes some getting used to the center console-mounted power window switches. And while we could see some gasoline vehicle owners complain about the diesel clatter, we never found it very intrusive. The engine noise is detectable at idle and full throttle, but at freeway speeds the diesel clatter seems to go away.

With the Liberty out on the trail, this little 4x4 showed that even with independent front suspension it still has the Jeep DNA. We did appreciate having the option of full-time four wheel drive which makes the Liberty much better in the rain and snow. If Jeep could just inject the Liberty's styling with some testosterone, we know it would sell more of these little babies."