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I checked out the article here. Lots of new "extras" but I think even if I had (My guess) $22K + , I would wait a couple of years. I've always said NEVER buy the first year of anything. Case in point the (cough,cough) Connie 14 when it came out.
+1 on waiting for year 2.

Regarding the price, we'll have to wait and see .... but I was at a dealership yesterday and saw $23,995 as the MSRP on Victory Vision, I have seen stickers on new Gold Wings of $25,995 and more, and I have had solicitations in the mail from H-D for their high end bikes north of $32,995. The BMW high end just doesn't seem to me to be out of line regarding pricing.

FWIW, if BMW prices these at $25K or less, I think they'll compete very well. And they won't be the most expensive bike in the barn.

 
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Oh, I can see what is going on here...

We will have to call this place:

FJR & BMW Forum!

Sign me up!

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Oh, I can see what is going on here...

We will have to call this place:

FJR & BMW Forum!

Sign me up!

:blink:
I guess you could use your administrator status to change the title of this particular forum to be "Other Bike / anything but BMW". Then when folks brought up BMW, you could send the thread to NEPRT, or just kill it outright.

:rolleyes:

 
Oh, I can see what is going on here...

We will have to call this place:

FJR & BMW Forum!

Sign me up!

:blink:
I guess you could use your administrator status to change the title of this particular forum to be "Other Bike / anything but BMW". Then when folks brought up BMW, you could send the thread to NEPRT, or just kill it outright.

:rolleyes:
The only problem with that plan, Is that i actually WANT one of these! So, The special K1600 forum would have to exist! We want to keep the family together right? :D

 
... i actually WANT one of these!
Well, then I suppose this picture isn't going to help any...

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But hey, as much as I really, really don't want to admit it, I'm kind of right there with you. The only saving grace is that I'm not making any decisions on a new mount until 2012 so the bank account will remain relatively unscathed until then (when all bets are off...).

 
Oh, I can see what is going on here...

We will have to call this place:

FJR & BMW Forum!

Sign me up!

:blink:
I guess you could use your administrator status to change the title of this particular forum to be "Other Bike / anything but BMW". Then when folks brought up BMW, you could send the thread to NEPRT, or just kill it outright.

:rolleyes:
The only problem with that plan, Is that i actually WANT one of these! So, The special K1600 forum would have to exist! We want to keep the family together right? :D
There is a forum where these are discussed. Its Shiva's K bike forum at https://www.bmwsuperbikes.com. If its inappropriate to mention the other forum, feel free to delete this post.

 
I don't care if the bike doesn't make sense.

That 4 can do anything 6 cylinders can.

Or that all that fancy fooo-fer-all crap will break and cost mega dollars.

Or that it's even a BMW.

I love 6 cylinder motobikes - if right, the sound is out of this world.

I've stated on this forum before that the best sounding bike in the world is a KZ1300 sans mufflers.

..and yes, Loud Pipes Save Lives, jes sain'.

 
I don't care if the bike doesn't make sense.

That 4 can do anything 6 cylinders can.

Or that all that fancy fooo-fer-all crap will break and cost mega dollars.

Or that it's even a BMW.

I love 6 cylinder motobikes - if right, the sound is out of this world.

I've stated on this forum before that the best sounding bike in the world is a KZ1300 sans mufflers.

..and yes, Loud Pipes Save Lives, jes sain'.
Some of us Kool Aid gulpers are waiting for the K1600S, with weight closer to 575 pounds, and no luggage but a sport pannier option. I am in love with 6 cylinders too. BMW hasn't announced any such bike, but we're all hoping. Not that there's anything wrong with the K1300S for now.

I will keep the stock exhaust though. I have the stock exhaust on my Rocket III Touring, and I get a lot of comments about how sweet it sounds. A K1600 with 6 cylinders ought to sound twice as sweet, no?

FWIW, on Shiva's forum, there is a link to put your name on BMW's Kool Aid Sampling list, and it will give you all the latest updates, and a chance to put your name on the list to be among the first adopters of their new technology. Better than an i-phone. :yahoo:

 
This is the bike is the one I have been waiting for and the only one that would have me sell my FJR. If it is priced around $25k with some options then I will own one.

 
FJR & BMW Forum!

This is the bike is the one I have been waiting for ... If it is priced around $25k ... I will own one.
I thought $20K was the new "full-price m/c" price point?

I guess I was wrong -- looks-like $25K is the "price-to-pay-to-get-the-best"? :unsure:

Some of us Kool Aid gulpers are ...in love with 6 cylinders too.

...put your name on BMW's Kool Aid Sampling list, and ...be among the first adopters
Will there be a Big-6 version with a "Reverse gear"?

Some of my 'well-heeled' m/c riding friends demand 'Reverse' on their $20K+ bikes... :rolleyes:

 
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I have a Kool aid mustache now. I will wait to see what kind of problems develop in the first year and capitalize on any second year production improvements.

 
FJR & BMW Forum!

If you're interested in seeing one of these new 6-cylinder "vunderbikes" ?, it appears that BMWNA is 'cherry-picking' which up-coming shows to have a display?

So far, only: Long Beach (12, 17~19); NY (1, 21~23); and there will be a multi-line dealer (includes BMW along w/others) @ S.C. show (2, 25~27).

What's up wi' dat? -- almost no BMW presence at the shows...? :unsure:

 
Well, I'm sold on it.

If the finances are there, I'll probably get one in a couple of years.
I put well over 100k on a 1979 KZ1300 and absolutely loved it.

and I want, no I NEED one of these Beemers.

I can taste the koolaid already, seriously.

That bike makes me drool I want it so bad.

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Steve and Don, If you two are going to the Long Beach IMS, contact me and please let me know: [email protected] or 480-440-4666. Twenty of we AZ Beemers are riding over from Phoenix on Friday morning December 17, staying at the Rodeway Inn on Atlantic Avenue next to the Convention Center. Out of the 175 members of BMW MOA Club #89 AZ Beemers, I - Papa Chuy, make the very best purple BMW Motorraden Kool-Aid ever. I would be pleased and happy to make you up as many steins of the ever delicious purple BMW Kool-Aid that you can drink! Deutschland Uber Alles! Auf Wiedersehen, Schatzie!

https://www.azbeemers.org/forum/index.php?topic=2827.msg20214#msg20214

"Assuming that BMW will bring the new K1600GTL to the Long Beach International Motorcycle Show (IMS), and for now I do, who's up for a quick trip to LaLa land?

Plan would be to leave west Valley Friday morning, and find a interesting route to Long Beach. Something other than I-10. I'm not a So-Cal expert, so, suggestions on routes are greatly appreciated.

Arrive Long Beach Friday evening.

I already have a hotel reservation at

Rodeway Inn - Long Beach

50 Atlantic Ave.

https://www.rodewayinnlongbeachca.com/

It's cheap, $89+TTL, gets good reviews, couple of blocks from convention center and has parking next to the room (a big ++).

Saturday, gawk at motorcycles all day.

Saturday night, check out LA.

Sunday, back to the valley."

 
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I checked out the article here. Lots of new "extras" but I think even if I had (My guess) $22K + , I would wait a couple of years. I've always said NEVER buy the first year of anything. Case in point the (cough,cough) Connie 14 when it came out.
Agree, but with that said this is first bike that's caught my attention in quite a while. Been planning which bike to get if/when my wife wants to get back into 2 up riding with me. If the GTL turns out to be everything they say it is, it's on my short list.

Now I just have decide which one of my kids isn't going to college on my dime. :D

 
I am going to try not to insult the Beemer guys, but that introductory presentation is full of glossy stuff and not berry specific. The fancy headlight is an option, the GT will be a stripped down version of the hype. The six is nice, probably brought out to scare up some Honda Goldwing riders who have nothing but money..... Don't get me wrong, it is very impressive and darn perty.

I am a guy who does all his own wrenching, and I've never been able to get my head around owning a BMW. All the guys I talk to find themselves "surrendering to the dealer" for the inspections and maintenance because they are either intimidated to get in there or are frustrated that there's so much more involved with simple tasks that are much easier on other bikes. One guy told me last Sunday he used to work on his, but took his K1200GT regularly now for the oil changes and the inspections, for about $900 per visit. I crapped myself. The shift lever has to come off to get at the oil filter. Another told me about an oil change on his LT where plastic has to come off and the oil filter is "inside the engine", and on a lot of stuff special tools are required. I have been reading up on the service manual 'cuz he wants some help this winter with clutch and brake fluid flushes, and fork seals.... On the LT, this is not your simple stuff, so dealers get the business. Another told me you book your service appointment 3-4 weeks in advance, because they are just that busy (not enough dealers around). I get the impressions the dealers are doing well on service work, but the guy who spends $900 a pop is very happy that his mechanic goes through all the checklists and is meticulous..... So, for me, it's a no go. For those with deep pockets and don't know which end of a screwdriver to use, it's great. I'm sure there's lots in between, and most seem to love their Beemers except the guys who complain about the cost of parts and service. Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, it's just not my style.

 
I am going to try not to insult the Beemer guys, but that introductory presentation is full of glossy stuff and not berry specific. The fancy headlight is an option, the GT will be a stripped down version of the hype. The six is nice, probably brought out to scare up some Honda Goldwing riders who have nothing but money..... Don't get me wrong, it is very impressive and darn perty.
Have you ever seen a pre-order press release from ANY company that wasn't "full of glossy stuff and not berry specific"? Even a "stripped down version of the hype" might be pretty cool.

I am a guy who does all his own wrenching, and I've never been able to get my head around owning a BMW. All the guys I talk to find themselves "surrendering to the dealer" for the inspections and maintenance because they are either intimidated to get in there or are frustrated that there's so much more involved with simple tasks that are much easier on other bikes. One guy told me last Sunday he used to work on his, but took his K1200GT regularly now for the oil changes and the inspections, for about $900 per visit. I crapped myself. The shift lever has to come off to get at the oil filter. Another told me about an oil change on his LT where plastic has to come off and the oil filter is "inside the engine", and on a lot of stuff special tools are required. I have been reading up on the service manual 'cuz he wants some help this winter with clutch and brake fluid flushes, and fork seals.... On the LT, this is not your simple stuff, so dealers get the business. Another told me you book your service appointment 3-4 weeks in advance, because they are just that busy (not enough dealers around). I get the impressions the dealers are doing well on service work, but the guy who spends $900 a pop is very happy that his mechanic goes through all the checklists and is meticulous..... So, for me, it's a no go. For those with deep pockets and don't know which end of a screwdriver to use, it's great. I'm sure there's lots in between, and most seem to love their Beemers except the guys who complain about the cost of parts and service. Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, it's just not my style.
There is so much anecdotal misinformation in your post, that its hard to know where to start.

First, don't knock it til you try it. I thought much like you until I ended up getting one in 2007 in a trade where my focus was more on getting out of another bike. I expected to sell the BMW in 2008, but it became my all time favorite bike because every time I looked at it, I saw something else that I thought was really well done. I've owned four of them now, and my current favorite is my all time favorite. It follows the old house of quality idea that the product should delight the customer. The grin on my face after a day's ride is even wider than it was with the FJR.

Here are a few other points...

1. Service prices at the BMW dealers I've used have never been more than at Yamaha or Honda dealers, except that at the BMW dealer I get a BMW certified master mechanic working on it. Some of the Yamaha or Honda service techs have been to a Yamaha or Honda school, but it is hit or miss. I have never paid $900 for a service, even when two tires were being changed along with the routine mileage or time based maintenance. Parts are generally priced similarly to what similar units cost from Yamaha.

2. The BMW's I've had had been refreshingly simple to work on. There may be an expectation of precision, and there may be a special tool here or there, but this is also true for other brands, including Yamaha or Honda. Compared to a Honda ST or Goldwing, the BMW is a piece of cake.

3. I've never waited more than 2 weeks for a routine service appointment, and that's been during the high season. Usually appointments for routine maintenance are available in no more than a week ... and I've never had to wait more than a couple of days for a warranty item or something like a tire or oil change.

4. Try as you might, the comment that "For those with deep pockets and don't know which end of a screwdriver to use, it's great" is pretty insulting. As a registered professional mechanical engineer who has built small motorcycle engine based race cars, is responsible for an engine lab with water brake and eddy current dynos, and started mechanic life 40 years ago in a Honda dealership as a service tech after having spent earlier years learning in the garage at home like many other young guys, I know which end of the screwdriver to use. And there's nothing wrong with deep pockets. When I started mine were pretty shallow and I did everything myself. I never paid anyone to work on anything until about 20 years ago when I'd finally made it to the point where my leisure time was more valuable to me than the money I could theoretically save by diverting my leisure time to maintenance activities. At this point in my life, doing required maintenance on stuff, whether its got two wheels or four, isn't where I want to spend my limited leisure time. FWIW, your pockets do not have to be deeper with BMW than with Hondas or Harleys, or Ducatis, or any number of others. The upper end of every line is high these days. For the marques other than Harley, this is as much because the dollar is very weak as because these products from Europe or Japan are expensive in their own right. The yen is now around 80 per buck when just a few years ago a dollar would buy 120 or more of them. Similarly, its not that long ago that a euro was worth 80 cents. Now they cost about a buck forty.

There is always this opinion that BMW's suck because they're overpriced, under performing, snob attracting, bling that primarily attracts owners who know nothing about their motorcycles. Maybe this is true in Canada. I don't think its true in the US. I wish they had a stronger dealer network, but I can say the same thing about Yamaha. BMW has the best owner support organization I've ever seen with any marque. The MOA membership includes really nice rallys, an excellent monthly magazine (which includes great, illustrated articles about wrenching), and a yearly "anonymous book" which provides emergency contact information for riders with problems just about anywhere in the world. The anonymous book is a paperback, about half an inch thick, and includes help ranging from coffee and a sympathetic ear, to trailers, to beds, to service area with tools. Dealers are all listed too. There are a lot of BMW riders who won't turn their bikes over to the dealers for service. No one holds it against them.

 
+1 I've owned several BMW's and some I've worked on and some not. I totally agree with your time vs. money analysis.

I think I'm in too, we'll see what the cost is for both purchase and maintenance first. And probably go for the Year Two model.

Too bad it has a manual clutch... :D

 
El Toro, perhaps I didn't explain my bottom line very well. For those who cannot or won't do their own maintenance either due to inability or lack of time, they must go to a dealer or other bike shop for routine maintenance. I do all my own maintenance and repairs, and my other point was that is inherently more time consuming and involved on most BMW's (K's at least). If I have to buy special tools, that also comes out of my pocket.

I have had a Honda ST and Goldwing and disagree with you they are hard to work on. Oil change is simply remove plug, drain, replace, remove and replace filter, pull maintenance cover off to fill with oil. FJR very similar except no cover over the oil plug. All very quick to do on most Japanese bikes. Anecdote from a guy I met in NY, his K12 or 13GT, I believe, me on my ST. I commented that it was nice his oil filter was right out in the open and it must be easy to do an oil change. He said no, left side fairing had to come off, a multitude of clips to undo which notoriously broke no matter how careful he was (fine German engineering at work), and it would take him a long time. He tired of it and took it to the BMW dealer from then on... never less than $200 for a simple oil change. His words.

And my friend last week who was explaining how deep he had to go to get at the oil filter on his K12LT (his words 'it is IN the engine")... another former LT owner was with us and said he needed a special wrench to do it.... and it is an unpainted filter you can't get anywhere else but at BMW. Clutch and brake fluid flush are more involved per my review of the service manual, and my friend warned me that a special BMW device had to be used to open the ABS valves..... I don't believe it until I see it, but that is not required on any Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki I've ever worked on.

Coolant change on an FJR is harder than a ST or Goldwing, but again, access is not time consuming or difficult. How would that go on a BMW?

Spark plug changes on FJR are harder than an ST or Goldwing, as are valve checks...... Alternator for a K13GT is $870, ST $509, FJR $245. Amazingly enough oil filters are comparable.

I would agree you would have to be a factory trained technician to work on Beemers because so much is involved, and so much is undertaken at those service intervals they would like you to come in regularly for. That is the typical German way for BMW, Audi, VW, Mercedes and if you are into that, OK with me.

I am sure there are knowledgeable Beemer owners like yourself who know lots, others who know every nut bolt and screw, and can appreciate the engineering. I do too, but am not prepared for engineering that doesn't add much to the enjoyment of a motorcycle. Is a paralever suspension really necessary or superior..... add money into it, and it's not to me. Styling is great, no doubt, but to engineer a crash bar under the fairing just to preserve appearance should be rethought too. ST's and Goldwings can be dumped with nothing but scratches on their tipover bars. Maybe nobody tips over a BMW, I don't know. Not all of their engineering is appropriate or necessary or worth paying for IMHO. They make mistakes too, just ask those with failed final drives... yes, I know that was overblown and maybe only 1% failed. Wouldn't happen on a Japanese bike anywhere near that extent.

My bottom line is, they aren't any more reliable than any other bike, harder and more expensive to service, and not worth paying a premium so I can go pay a whole lot more to own it after I get it home. Same with German cars... I've had them, likely won't own another one.

I like Beemer guys, because we all share a love of motorcycling and like to talk about our rides and bikes. Unfortunately I have seen attitudes of superiority, and those aren't the guys I drink beer with. Fortunately they are a very small minority, and I do try hard not to stereotype, and to separate the anecdotal wheat from the chaff. Life is too short...... and I hope I didn't piss you off so that we can't have a beer someday.

 
Just keep it up Ray, just keep slamming BMW; Ya Hoser! I am warming up the short wave radio in my BMW Command Control Bunker down in my basement as we speak. Just one more wise *** statement about BMW's and I am dropping the dime on you to BMW Headquarters International in Berlin, Deutschland; so damn fast you will drop your bowl of poutine and your Molson. Der BMW Minister of Motorraden Status, Happiness und Purity only has to say one word to Hans und Dieter, BMW Factory Enforcers: And it is curtains for you, Ya CA Frostback! Hans und Dieter will jump the very next Lufthansa flight to Toronto, and your *** is grass and Hans und Dieter are the lawn mowers (or snow blowers, if that white **** is already falling on Ontario). So take off there, eh!

 
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