Buying an out of state bike and

[evilmedic13]

Okay I'm buying another FJR and riding it home from Wyoming to Chicago next week. Pretty much all set, just got a question about staying legal while riding home. I have the VIN and will be contacting my insurance agent for a temporary card to get home with. Other that and a bill of sale and title what else will I need in case I get pulled over? I have an Illinois plate, but don't feel like getting into trouble by putting that on the new bike w/ a mismatched VIN :dribble: .

I've never done this before and just want t avoid giving any Barney Fifes out there a reason to mess w/ me seing as I've not really been alloted all that much time to get it home. I'll bring the plate w/ me if I can, but just see a mountain of trouble either way, riding w/o a plate or riding w/ a plate not given to the VIN yet.

Any help is welcome

 

[Scab]

That should do it. If all plans fall, twist it.

 

[odot]

trailer

 

[Scab]

Any help is welcome

...and me and Odot are the ones that answer.

Bwaaaaaa!

 

[Murph]

I'm sure there is a way to do this in Illinois but I ran into brick walls when I tried doing this same thing last spring. I don't mean to hijack, I just want to share my experience with you in case you haven't tried this before:

My first time registering a bike in Illinois, the people at the DMV were useless and said that I could only get a new Illinois plate after I actually finalized the sale (ie. brought the bike back) and therefore I had to trailer it back. On top of that, the bike was in Michigan and the dealer there said that I could only get a temporary Michigan plate if I paid for Michigan registration. Nobody could give me a final answer. I couldn't find anything on the Illinois DMV website either. All this hassle was one reason why I didn't end up buying that bike.

My only suggestion is to call multiple Illinois DMV offices and determine whether you get the same answer from all of them.

I know that the previous state in which I resided provided temp plates for such transactions. Undoubtedly, there is some way to do this without trailering the bike back to Illinois. But how? I will be watching this thread closely.

I wish you the best with this (and with the ride from Wyoming)!

 

[sonicspeed]

i would use the wrong plate and drive her home.....if caught it's only a fine besides you will have the bill of sale and more than likely they will not raise a stink IMO

 

[FJR_pig]

I bought mine in Washington and brought it back to Oregon. When I purchased it, the dealership provided me with a three day temporary registration certificate from Washington. That gave me enough time to get it into Oregon DMV to get titled/registered. You might find that Wyoming will provide you with a similar, temporary registration.

 

[evilmedic13]

Well, it looks like I'll be traveling w/ the old illinois plate seeing as nobody wants to deal w/ temp plate issues out here <_< . I will be in possesion of the title, bill of sale and a temporary insurance card from allstte w/ the new FJR's VIN on it(I switched it last week just be sure).

Now for all our LEO pals, if you pulled me over w/ all this paperwork how much trouble am I in? I asked the wife but she's terribly biased in my favor and says if my license were clear she'd either write me for whatever or just let me go.

Plus, most cops out here don't tag you if you're FD, I say MOST because 1 did a few years ago, but he said if it wasn't 15 over he woulda let me go , my fault for speeding to begin with AFAIC, nobody made me but me.

 

[beerme]

Using the old plate is a bad idea, until or unless that plate is assigned to that motorcycle. Here, that's called "fictitious plates/registration" and can result in impound, about a $400 fine, and a trip to the bucket in a worst case scenario. If I pulled you over for no plate and you showed me a title signed over to you, a bill of sale, and the insurance card issued specifically for the new-to-you motorcycle, I'd just tell ya to have a safe trip home. There are states that might require a temp registration or movement permit (even for private sales), so that should be researched to the fullest IMO.

 

[airboss]

Lnk to Wyoming DMV

Might use the link and call one of the offices for info, most states have some type of trip permit to allow you get your purchase home.

 

[evilmedic13]

Lnk to Wyoming DMV
Might use the link and call one of the offices for info, most states have some type of trip permit to allow you get your purchase home.

I'll be giving them a call tomorrow, thanks.

 

[evilmedic13]

Using the old plate is a bad idea, until or unless that plate is assigned to that motorcycle. Here, that's called "fictitious plates/registration" and can result in impound, about a $400 fine, and a trip to the bucket in a worst case scenario. If I pulled you over for no plate and you showed me a title signed over to you, a bill of sale, and the insurance card issued specifically for the new-to-you motorcycle, I'd just tell ya to have a safe trip home. There are states that might require a temp registration or movement permit (even for private sales), so that should be researched to the fullest IMO.

So am I better off w/o a plate as opposed to w/ a bad/wrong plate? I just can't win either way, can I? hopefully WYDOT can help me out a little.

Thanks again , seriously, already spent enough time in various nations jails, don't need any domestic experience.

 

[James]

When I brought mine to KS from Chicago, I took my KS plate w/me (off my other bike), as KS does not issue temp tags, & neither would IL. Put it on & rode fairly nice . I was figuring that having a tag would draw less attention (if I wasn't doing anything wrong) than no tag. Had I been stopped, might have been tough to explain, but that was my plan. I'd flown out (1 way ticket, "you're a special guest of Southwest today. Please step over here" on Friday, looked at the bike that night, rode it Saturday morning (first time to ride an FJR), paid him, put my tag on it & rode it home. Had a bill of sale, statement from the seller, phone #s, but no title (his bank had it, & wouldn't turn it over till the check cleared). Perhaps not the best plan, but it worked for me.

 

[Kevin Daly]

Well, it looks like I'll be traveling w/ the old illinois plate seeing as nobody wants to deal w/ temp plate issues out here <_< . I will be in possesion of the title, bill of sale and a temporary insurance card from allstte w/ the new FJR's VIN on it(I switched it last week just be sure).
Now for all our LEO pals, if you pulled me over w/ all this paperwork how much trouble am I in? I asked the wife but she's terribly biased in my favor and says if my license were clear she'd either write me for whatever or just let me go.

Plus, most cops out here don't tag you if you're FD, I say MOST because 1 did a few years ago, but he said if it wasn't 15 over he woulda let me go , my fault for speeding to begin with AFAIC, nobody made me but me.

you should see if the dude that bought it knows a dealer in his neck of the woods. consumate the sale at the dealership and flip him some cash for a paper plate (a temp)

Do not ride with your other plate it can get you in a lot of trouble until they are sure you arent a theif!! And then it will just cost you a lot of money to get out of jail and get you bike out of impound. Alternatively, see if the guy you are buying it from will let you take the plate on it?? I dont know thought I think some states will hold him liable for anything that happens if he hasnt taken his plate off.

 

[wfooshee]

Plates usually belong to the owner, not the bike. Seller keeps his plate to put on next vehicle, saving big $ on next registration. If youkept his plate, you'd have to send it back to him.

Keeping his plate would be like stealing it, though, since it's not his bike any more. Also, if you were to set off something like, say, a photo radar, he'd be pretty disappointed in you when your award comes in his mail.

 

[FJR_pig]

Totally agree with my slow riding friend, Beerme.

Run w/o the plate instead of having what we call out here in Orygun a "switched plate". Not a perfect set-up, but you have a reasonable explanation and docs to back it up should the woo woo car find you on the highway.

 

[wpbfjr]

Using the old plate is a bad idea..... Here, that's called "fictitious plates/registration" and can result in impound, about a $400 fine, and a trip to the bucket in a worst case scenario. If I pulled you over for no plate.....

question for enlightenment, not to be rude:

as a leo, you see a motorcycle traveling within your discretion of safe speed for conditions... to your observation, the tag is out of state and is current... will you pull over this motorcycle?

same above conditions, but to your observation, no tags... will you pull over this motorcycle?

also, is "fictitious plates/registration" an officer discretion action, or a zero tolerance action?

thank you,

dana

my feeling, not fact, in all this is that with a good attitude, solid paperwork, and respect of the leo doing their job, i'll have met a new roadside friend without gaining any state payment options...

 

[FJR_pig]

as a leo, you see a motorcycle traveling within your discretion of safe speed for conditions... to your observation, the tag is out of state and is current... will you pull over this motorcycle?
same above conditions, but to your observation, no tags... will you pull over this motorcycle?

also, is "fictitious plates/registration" an officer discretion action, or a zero tolerance action?

1. Your first scenario - there is no legal basis for me to stop that bike. Just because they're out of state? Sounds like a good way to get sued.

2. No tags? If I notice (plates are only on the rear of the bike and I won't look twice if they're not doing something silly), yes, I'll absolutely pull 'em over. I've recovered more than a few stolen bikes around town since I returned to Portland in 1999.

3. Fictitious plates/registration? Sounds like you're suggesting something doctor'd up and that's a misdemeanor here...in other words, a traffic crime. My agency (Oregon State Police) does have a zero tolerance on traffic crimes. This one obviously isn't as serious as say, a DUII or hit/run, but I'm not going to violate policy and take a bust for some Joe who I've pulled over. Nope, no way, notta. If it was a less serious offense with the plate or registration...in other words, a traffic violation, our Troopers have all the discretion in the world to make their own decision on level of enforcement.

 

[beerme]

as a leo, you see a motorcycle traveling within your discretion of safe speed for conditions... to your observation, the tag is out of state and is current... will you pull over this motorcycle?

If I understand your question correctly... motorcycle traveling at or near the speed limit, wearing a good plate... would I pull it over? Nope. As much as I like meeting like minded people on the road, I wouldn't abuse my position of authority to make their acquaintance. That said, I have stopped motorcycles (specifically FJRs & V-Stroms) for nominal speeding, for the sole purpose of finding out if I knew them from the internet. heehee

same above conditions, but to your observation, no tags... will you pull over this motorcycle?

Yup. Odds are that such a contact would just result in VIN confirmation, farkle check, and friendly conversation.

also, is "fictitious plates/registration" an officer discretion action, or a zero tolerance action?

It kinda depends. In Evilmedic's scenario where he is taking possession of a newly purchased motorcycle, and out of ignorance slaps an old plate on there for the multi-state trip home, I would explain why you can't do that & tell him to put the plate away until the bike is properly registered. That's just me, though. I'm a common sense kinda guy. Somebody else might have a different take on it. If someone deliberately does the same thing with the intention of trying to make it appear legit when in fact it's not, that's a different story. The difference between the 2 examples might be hard to see, but the best illustration I can think of is where someone takes a current sticker and glues it onto an expired plate. That's a very expensive ticket, not to mention a possible impound. HTH.