I bought those pants for $99.00 to go with my inexpensive Fly jacket early this spring. I wanted something inexpensive since I expect to tip over on the XR650L occasionally. I was going to use them for riding in the black hills last month and for the DakAL ride in September. They fit like a million bucks but ran a little small and seemed like very nice stuff for the money. I got a little nervous about the jacket and pants not being gore-tex, so I returned the pants and bought a set of Klim Overland jacket and pants when they were closing out the Overland model this spring. I would say they are not a bad pair of pants if you are on a budget. Since they fit like a pair of jeans they would work best over a pair of shorts or a base layer. You would have to size up quite a bit to use them as over pants.