Cornering Speeds

[sergeantnic]

Just remember. The 2 most important things I've ever learned and wish to share.....

1. The most important thing with cornering is entry speed. Number one cause of motorcycle accidents in the United States is failure to negotiate a curve!!

2. You will run out of talent and ability way before your bike runs out of it's ability to make the curve. When in doubt, TURN THE BIKE MORE.

That is all. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[Bounce]

To the few of you that provided a thoughtful response to what was intended to be an honest question. I thank you.
To the rest of you jokers and azzhats... :****:

meant in the most joking and azzhattish way possible. right?

 

[wheatonFJR]

Well, let’s be honest here. This isn’t an issue determined by the bike. It’s determined by the nerve and experience of the rider, and perhaps the wear on the tires.
If I’m feeling confident, I’m more apt to take a turn that I’m familiar with more aggressively than I would on a road that I have not been on.

I don’t think the majority of folks on here are Island of TT racers and have to go to work and earn money for their family’s the following Monday.

If you’re asking us to find out what nerve you should take in turns, I’m going to stick with my original post and say that when your azz tells you not to, don’t. I don’t think there is a “correct” or a “constant” answer here. Every situation determines the use of common sense and sometimes a bit of humble pie. It only takes one pebble or slip to ruin your life.

Going by your answers, I would have to say B, but only on roads I know, when I’m feeling good about it. Most of the time, I don't look at the "speed sign". I look at the turn, and "My Speed", and determine what is good for me. I don't really give a ratz azz what anyone else is doing, and if I fall behind, boo hoo...."Trust me, i'll catch up with everything attached".

GOOD ANSWER.

 

[Speed3]

2. You will run out of talent and ability way before your bike runs out of it's ability to make the curve. When in doubt, TURN THE BIKE MORE.

I agree with this to a point, but the FJR runs out of ground clearance much sooner than expected. It certianly can not acheive the lean angle of any modern sport bike.

 

[Silver Penguin]

I just stop and walk the bike through corners. They scare me.

LOL! A quote from Orangevale. He also suggested that he only runs on three cylinders if the bike starts going too fast around the turns.

I guess you have to ask yourself if you feel lucky today. Sure, the bike will make the turn at the speed you've chosen, but can you pull it upright to brake hard and stop? There might be Bambi taking a trot across the road, a rock fall, Fred and Ethel taking photos, with the Winnebago slap-bang in the middle of the road. Cell-phone wielding soccer-Mom not paying attention to the pretty lines. A Prius driver who hasn't found the gas pedal yet, and doesn't DO twisty roads. Or the road might be perfectly clear.

I've even come across a police checkpoint, at the blind exit to a turn. They were looking to see who had a license for their motosiccle. Those who didn't found their bikes parked in the nearby schoolyard, waiting for a tow.

 

[rushes]

2. You will run out of talent and ability way before your bike runs out of it's ability to make the curve. When in doubt, TURN THE BIKE MORE.

I agree with this to a point, but the FJR runs out of ground clearance much sooner than expected. It certianly can not acheive the lean angle of any modern sport bike.

A sport bike?

 

[wheatonFJR]

2. You will run out of talent and ability way before your bike runs out of it's ability to make the curve. When in doubt, TURN THE BIKE MORE.

I agree with this to a point, but the FJR runs out of ground clearance much sooner than expected. It certianly can not acheive the lean angle of any modern sport bike.

I would tend to agree with ol' Sarge. I would suspect that a Goldwing has less ground clearance than an FJR. If Yellow Wolf could pass you at will (when he had his Wing) - which he could - I'm sure that the FJR is not the limiting factor, but the guy staring back at you in the mirror. Turn more...use better technique...and slow in - fast out.

Or not.

 

[rushes]

This is smellin trollish...

Or maybe I'm jus gittin cynical in my years...

 

[Ignacio]

This is smellin trollish...
Or maybe I'm jus gittin cynical in my years...

Or a well-disciplined VC.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

The answer probably lies in the MSF's dissertations on rider risk awareness and motorcycle rider skill/ability...?

To be sure, one of the most rewarding aspects of motorcycle riding is successfully and adoitly accomplishing high speed curve taking (cornering) -- and, it can't be faked.

Cornering (with verve & elan) can be a life-long reward for learning motorcycling skills. Each corner can be different (known or otherwise), different days, different weather, different etc. MSF would say use "S.I.P.D.E." and do your best and enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done (or not... :blink: ).

 

[rushes]

This is smellin trollish...
Or maybe I'm jus gittin cynical in my years...

Or a well-disciplined VC.

What the hell has the Viet Cong got ta do with this....

 

[RadioHowie]

On dry clean roads, during the daytime, with little traffic and where you can see all the way thru the corner, is exiting the apex at double the posted speed limit something you do?
A. goodness no, never that fast

B. sometimes, when I'm feeling it

C. almost always, it is my goal

D. at least double the speed, for I am Ricky Racer and proud holder of several crash club awards

I think you could get a better, more detailed, certainly a more "thought out" answer from folks who have a bit more aggressive tendencies than this bunch of 6-months-per-prostate-exams grandpas.

Here's a group of folks who can relate to your intentions MUCH better:

https://www.imonmythirdr1becauseimtoostupid...limitations.com

 

[rushes]

And where's GunMD when we need him?

 

[Ignacio]

What the hell has the Viet Cong got ta do with this....

You don't have to lead them as much as trolls.

 

[rushes]

Oh damn..

I ran off Gunny...

 

[sporto]

I wasn't asking anyone how fast I should ride...I am well aware of my personal limitations.

Most everyone around here owns cruisers and ride so slowly that I would rather ride by myself at a pace I enjoy, instead of bitching under my breath as one corner after another is 'wasted'.

No troll, no VC, just trying to get an idea of what pace is typical for other FJR enthusiasts. I am guessing everyone here, the majority of the time and under most condtions falls cleanly into one of the buckets I identfied. (a, b, c or d).

RadioHowie,

Nice link, you got me, hook line and sinker. :fan_1:

 

[wfooshee]

Sounds like all you need is a different riding group . . . . .

 

[rushes]

Sounds like all you need is a different riding group . . . . .

Where's the KY....

 

[Speed3]

2. You will run out of talent and ability way before your bike runs out of it's ability to make the curve. When in doubt, TURN THE BIKE MORE.

I agree with this to a point, but the FJR runs out of ground clearance much sooner than expected. It certianly can not acheive the lean angle of any modern sport bike.

I would tend to agree with ol' Sarge. I would suspect that a Goldwing has less ground clearance than an FJR. If Yellow Wolf could pass you at will (when he had his Wing) - which he could - I'm sure that the FJR is not the limiting factor, but the guy staring back at you in the mirror. Turn more...use better technique...and slow in - fast out.

Or not.

I agree that for most of the time if you find yourself going in too hot, you continue to look through the corner and lean more. But continuing to lean the bike and looking through the corner can only take you "so far". Bad body positioning and poor throttle control will nip you in the butt quick.

I've seen Yellow Wolf's video and they are outstanding...he is one heck of a rider. I will attribute some of his success to knowing the dragon's every turn and having homefield advantag. I'm not saying that he couldn't keep up with me on the dragon, I'm sure he could one handed, but he might have a SLIGHTLY tougher time doing so if the tables were turned and I was on roads that I'm familiar with.

Look guys I'm not trying to argue here..I've ridden sport bikes for the last 7 years, done numerous track days running advanced group in every one, I completely undestand that the rider makes difference. At the level that we ride the street, leaning more and looking through the turn will solve 99% of peopples problems. But you can only lean the bike so far.

 

[airboss]

Until I knew the corner, I'd follow the guidelines of the posted (yellow) sign. I've been in areas where the signs all seemed artificially low and other places that were spot on. In some places they're a mix. Without knowing what to expect (wildlife, road surface, etc.) I'd avoid assumptions.
It's not a track, so conditions can't be assumed and there aren't any corner workers to pick your broken ass up off the road if you crash and burn.

Dang, the voice of reason..................................Howed that get in here. :huh: