Dealer has new 06AE - Price?

[charismaticmegafauna]

In this way, your used garaged bikes are actually a better bet than the bike that started this thread.

That tends to turn the whole 'new bike v/s used bike' discussion on-its-head...?

 

[palerider]

In this way, your used garaged bikes are actually a better bet than the bike that started this thread.

That tends to turn the whole 'new bike v/s used bike' discussion on-its-head...?

Not really. No one buying a "new" 2006 model anything should expect it to function like new. Regardless of what the title says, after four idle years, it's no longer new. And what I've said is true not only for the bike in question but also for a used bike, or car, or chain saw, that's been sitting idle for an extended period. All machinery needs to be operated (not just started, but operated) at least occasionally, and if it's been sitting idle for long periods you should not be surprised if it leaks and/or otherwise malfunctions.

After four years, all fluids should be changed as a matter of course if not conscience, and this is particularly true of hydraulic fluid and coolant. If you buy a used bike and don't have fluid-change records, then you should flush/change them yourself.

And the battery is sure to be toast or near toast. And many of the plastic parts will be on the way to being brittle. And the tires have hardened.

In the case of the FJR, the automatic windshield hasn't been moved in four years. What's the status of those plastic gears and the rubber parts?

 

[Patent1]

IMHO, I believe you are overstating the depreciation argument. A bike which has been sitting in a dealership is in a rather benign environment compared to a bike being ridden frequently - no rain, no flying gravel, no heat/cold cycles, no ham-fisted operator... Also, the bike's paint, plastic and rubber tires contain antioxidants to protect against UV radiation. The only thing I might do is perform the first oil change at 300 rather than 600 miles. Other than that, I think a 2006 leftover bike would be good to go!

 

[palerider]

IMHO, I believe you are overstating the depreciation argument. A bike which has been sitting in a dealership is in a rather benign environment compared to a bike being ridden frequently - no rain, no flying gravel, no heat/cold cycles, no ham-fisted operator... Also, the bike's paint, plastic and rubber tires contain antioxidants to protect against UV radiation. The only thing I might do is perform the first oil change at 300 rather than 600 miles. Other than that, I think a 2006 leftover bike would be good to go!

You're comparing apples and organges. Until now no one has mentioned the bike's appearance. I would expect that a bike that's been sitting on a showroom floor for four years would look better than a bike that's been ridden in the rain and through gravel for four years, but it would be silly to buy a four-year-old bike solely based on its looks and pay what it would have cost new in 2006 ($12,500 OTD is what I paid in 2006 for my AE). Inflation aside, are you seriously suggesting that the OP should pay the same amount four years later? The only point that matters to the OP of this thread is that it doesn't make sense to pay new-bike prices for what mechanically is not a new bike.

You know what the best argument here is? That after four years the bike's still sitting on that dealer's showroom floor; if he really wanted to sell it, he'd lower the price until it sold because ultimately anything you sell is worth exactly what you get for it. If someone is foolish enough to buy it at the current asking price, then by definition it's worth that amount to that buyer.

Please do let me know when you're in the market for a used 2006AE. It looks like new--garaged, never ridden in the rain, never been struck by gravel, never been cold--and I'm not ham-fisted.

You can have it for $12,500.

 

[ultimateanswer]

You have the bargaining power here. Obviously something is either wrong with the bike or the dealer. Probably the latter considering the asking price of the unit. My dealership can't keep these damn things in stock much less have one sitting on the showroom for 5 years! I second everyone who suggests that his new bike is no longer new in a mechanical sense. All the fluids should be changed as well as some of the normal wear items like fork seals, rubber tubing and the like. Personally and professionally the only "birthdays" I like celebrating is when a customer brings their bike that they purchased from us back every year! Not the ones where it has been sitting on my showroom floor for year after year. If I was the sales manager at that dealership I would be swilling to go pretty damn close if not below invoice on it. There is no way at this point that I would be able to break a profit much less even on a 5 year old unit after insurance premiums and recon after it has been on the floor for so long. Now as to the cosmetic condition of the bike, keep in mind that it has been sitting on the showroom floor for what the sales guy said, "since we got it." Which means that there have been tyre kickers climbing all over it, kids playing on or around it, and dust and grime that have probably been wiped off by a sales guy that know littls about preserving that certain finish and pristine shine that a new bike has.

On principal I would walk in there talk directly with the sales manager and offer him not a dime over $8900 bike alone! He can either take it or leave it because at this point they obviously don't want to sell the damn thing! But if you have moved on by now, which is more likely, I wish you good luck on finding the right bike for you!

 

[Patent1]

My previous post did not go to the market price of a 4 year old bike in a dealer showroom. Instead, I was merely rebutting your argument that the bike was ready to be scrapped due to old age.

And many of the plastic parts will be on the way to being brittle. And the tires have hardened.

In the case of the FJR, the automatic windshield hasn't been moved in four years. What's the status of those plastic gears and the rubber parts?

Garbage. As previously stated, plastic parts, paint and tires all contain antioxidants. There well may have been some aging, but nothing like the ageing a bike in service will have experienced. And as for the "status" of the automatic windshield: First, I have never heard of one failing due to mechanical breakdown. Second, windshield operation can be checked at time of delivery. Third, the bike comes with a warranty, remember?

I agree that once a showroom "new" 2006 bike leaves the lot it instantly becomes a "used" 2006 bike, and the purchase price should reflect that fact. However, I call ******** on your argument a leftover showroom bike is a POS which must undergo major reconditioning (new battery, all new fluids, fork seals, new tires, and don't forget a complete new windshield mechanism!!!). Jeez..

 

[mferriter]

I paid just about $8000 for a "used" 2006AE back in November or 2009. It had 1500 miles on it.

Perfect condition. I normally have a hard time buying other peoples problems, but it was a great deal.

No way would I have paid $12000 for a "new" 2006AE in 2009. That would be like paying almost $3/mile.

The dealer actually had to put on new tires due to dry rot when if failed inspection (another $300 in my pocket).

Keep that in mind. All of the little (and big) rubber parts are wearing out even when not in use.

 

[palerider]

Hey, Patent1,

Dude, you need to have your meds adjusted, because you're hallucinating. I never said anything even remotely like "the bike had to be scrapped due to old age." Nor did I say that "a leftover showroom bike is a POS which must undergo major reconditioning." That's all stuff you said. I don't consider fluids, battery, and/or new tires major reconditioning. Actually, I consider those to be regular maintenance, but I don't expect to have to do those things immediately after buying a new bike. Fork seals, which I never mentioned, yes, I would consider that major, and thanks for pointing out yet another concern. I was talking about oil and cooling and hybraulic seals, any of which could end up leaking after a bike that was never adequately broken in had then been sitting on a showroom floor for 4-5 years. Replacing any of those seals I would also consider major. A completely new windshield mechanism? Not in my post, nor did I mention anything about that mechanism failing. You're either not reading carefully, are hallucinating (meds, meds, meds), or are deliberately distorting what I said. What I did say was that all these were examples of the kind of thing the OP needed to be concerned about that made this bike not worth paying for as though it were new. And who (except apparently you) would pay a new price for a 4-5 year-old used bike expecting to then have to do all that work and spend all that time and money and then on top of all that want to risk having to take it back to the dealer for warranty work?

I also never suggested anything even remotely like the plastic would be ruined. I said that they will now be 4-5 years old and will have been affected by that--antioxidants or not, all plastic stiffens and/or becomes brittle as the plasticizers evaporate. This is yet another concern that the OP would not have with a genuinely new bike and so the OP ought not to have to pay for that bike as though it were new. I never suggested that the OP not buy an older bike off a showroom floor, only that he not pay a new price for it. In response to his question, I (and others) have said that it didn't strike me as a good deal at a new bike price. If you actually take the time to carefully read the thread you'll see I've suggested that he go to the dealer and offer a lower price for that very fine machine. But that of course implies that he be prepared to walk away if that offer were to be rejected. It could be a good deal at a lower price. It also could be a disaster at any price. You pays your money and takes your chances.

I'm not sure who you're arguing with, because you're arguing with a voice in your head that is saying things that I'm not saying (meds, meds, meds). So as this is a one-way conversation, I'm dropping out.

Have a nice life.

:blink:

 

[Patent1]

Hey Palerider,

I love it when someone takes twice as many words explaining what he really meant in a previous post.

Your previous posts and mine are still up. Unless you edit yours, interested readers. if there are any, can decide for themselves what was actually said by you and me, and who was distorting previous statements. Thank you for your well wishes, and rest assured I am enjoying life.

 

[Moon Man]

There is so much FYYFF in this thread that I am rolling over laughing.

 

[Abercrombie FJR]

There is so much FYYFF in this thread that I am rolling over laughing.

Man! what is FYYFF I'm dieing to know?

 

[palerider]

There is so much FYYFF in this thread that I am rolling over laughing.

Man! what is FYYFF I'm dieing to know?

**** You You ******* ****!

It's an East Coast-ism. They say it in New York, Philadelphia, Boston, etc.

GaryK

 

[El Toro]

Never mind.

 

[kaitsdad]

One big problem with a "new" 06 is the PDP.

The 2006 fjr's were purchased via the priority delivery program - and the warranty starts when the bike is delivered to the dealer, not to the end user. So - if this is a new bike, the dealer invoked the warranty by accepting delivery in 2006.

Assuming that the dealer purchased a 4 year Y.E.S before the original 1 year warranty expired, the Y.E.S. will expire in 2011. I'm thinking that the dealer hasn't done their homework.

 

[El Toro]

One big problem with a "new" 06 is the PDP.
The 2006 fjr's were purchased via the priority delivery program - and the warranty starts when the bike is delivered to the dealer, not to the end user. So - if this is a new bike, the dealer invoked the warranty by accepting delivery in 2006.

Assuming that the dealer purchased a 4 year Y.E.S before the original 1 year warranty expired, the Y.E.S. will expire in 2011. I'm thinking that the dealer hasn't done their homework.

Mine was an 06 purchased new in 08, so by your theory, mine would have been sold without a warranty until I added Y.E.S.

Actually, it was sold with a one year unlimited mileage warranty, with all Yamaha paperwork, long after the dealer had taken delivery in 2006. Mine was eligible for purchase of Y.E.S., and I bought the coverage through D&H like so many others on this board. That all went through fine too, with confirming paperwork from Yamaha.

I think that if the bike is a legitimately new 06, the warranty hasn't started, unless the dealer put the bike into service as a demonstrator or something.