Dear I-5 Stunters

[ponyfool]

RenoJohn, I think you and I are a lot closer than it would appear, because, yes, I do think anyone who treats the road as their own with no regard for anyone else is a fuckhead.

In this particular case, on a public roadway with traffic around is what qualifies them IMO. With no traffic, I'm significantly more lenient.

Someone doing triple digits through traffic, weaving between vehicles, doing so on roadways that have blind corners, to me also qualifies.

Anyone with a buzz or under the influence absolutely qualifies.

Anyone trying for a record on an open roadway, crossing double yellows on blind corners, also qualifies.

But I absolutely love how these discussions come down to the hypocrisy argument. I think I'm in tune with my own ethics and the hypocrisy issue more so than many because of my occupation. Have I ever done a wheelie on a public roadway? You bet (on my Bandit - I don't ride my FJR that way). Have I ever done triple digits? You bet. But I've never done any of those things in and around traffic. I have never driven or ridden drunk, and I take the responsibility of driving/riding very seriously, on and off duty.

Everyone has their own level of what's acceptable. To me, what I've mentioned above means that to me, when I'm not working, they are fuckheads. When I am working, they are called reckless drivers/riders, and they'd be going to jail for doing that in and around other traffic. Doing it alone on a highway where they are the ONLY ones in jeopardy, they may not even get a ticket.

 

[dcarver]

In my younger days I almost paid full rent by setting suckahs I could, from kickstand down, start my TT500 single cylinder Yammie, raise it from kickstand, pop a wheelie, and carry it through four gears. Won much more than I lost, which is why I kept doing it. Residential streets, lots of cars, kids, pregnant mommies, you get the idea.

At the time? Great fun and a way to make money. Now? Never.

Now let me really piss off this forum - is it any worse to stunt a wheelie while perfectly awake, aware, and with good responses than it is too ride 1,500 miles in 24 hours and be drunk with delirium?

ohh my, need my ASBESTOS (not the new stuff that doesn't work, but full on ABSESTOS undies now.)

Signed,

"It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear"

Have some fun with this guys, the truth is somewhere between the extremes..

 

[JRO]

I think that if these yuppie fuckers in the car had been armed with shotguns, instead of a video camera and a cellphone, they could have blasted these hooligans and settled their grievance, right then and there. They'd probably have been awarded good citizenship badges. Calling the police while recording these savages' misbehavior? How lame can you get? The problem with this country, today, is it's filled with loosers like these geeks in the chase car. They're actually enjoying the show, but they pretend they're incensed (laughing all the time on the videotape). They're the kind of people who like to hold up traffic, by slowing down so they can gawk at an accident. If they were Real Americans, and they didn't like these sporbike antics, they'd have blasted 'em. Or squashed 'em. They're just limp-dicks out to feel all warm and fuzzy for reporting the event, however. They're not going to do anything. $10 says the women in the film car have gential warts, which is half the reason they're all being tattle-tells.

The wheelies were cool. Blocking a thirty-lane highway to have a little fun? Radical, man. I like it. If any of the auto drivers didn't, they could have just plowed on through. I would have. You can bet the primitives on the two-wheelers would have gotten out of the way. If not, c'est la vie.

 

[Bull]

Now let me really piss off this forum - is it any worse to stunt a wheelie while perfectly awake, aware, and with good responses than it is too ride 1,500 miles in 24 hours and be drunk with delirium?
Have some fun with this guys, the truth is somewhere between the extremes..

well said Sir! :lol2:

 

[SacramentoMike]

.........I admit I was kind of pulling for that one moron in the diamond lane who had his (one) wheel on the fog line to go just a bit farther to the left. Just enough to get a nice long-lasting road rash souvenir.

Well if that aint a FU'd attitude toward another rider.

So far in this thread we've seen riders wishing harm on other riders, an officer calling them "fuckheads" and an assortment of insults toward these fellow riders and others wishing them harm, some wanting to personally cause it. ....and me thinks the hypocracy of what is good for the sport is deafening.

Scariest thing I've seen on our public roadways? ---- WFO Reno when a hurd of maladroid, fat and old phuckers riding FJR's were attempting to navigate hwy 4 through the sierras. Many of these guys were 2-up, many for what seemed like the first time doing so, many on a road that they should not have been on and many on a bike they shouldn't have been on. Stumbling all over the highway. Saw two almost drop it when their passenger attempted to get on the bike. Many were wide in blind turns and the like causing others, incuding myself to make wild maneuvers for safety on the dangerous road. We ended up letting this dangerous fleet of FJR guys go on by ..for our own safety. Never wished them harm, likey instead said a little prayer for their safety -they needed it. Never called the police, but did consider calling the hospital because there was no doubt a few would likely be putting themselves and/or others there. Never considered personally causing them harm out of animosity. Wouldn't have taken much more than saying "boo" to put them over the edge as they were way out above their skill level on this road.

I've seen and even partaken in some crazy, dangerous **** on bikes, but nothing compared to that day watching these FJR guys up in the sierras on hwy 4. And now that group is ripping some skilled riders doing wheelies LOL LOL LOL can you say hypocracy??

This time of year here in the sierras, we see our hospitals and morgue get busy with motorcyclist. Not surprising, most are unskilled old men who often injure or kill their unsuspecting passenger on the way to doing the same to themselves ....all in an attempt to be cool. It is these old guys who seem to worry more about being cool than the younger generation of quick reflexes and strength.

As far as these wheellie guys ....ya, not smart, but put me on the list who has done dumber at one time or another. I can't pull wheelies like the impressive ones in the video, but if I could I'd be doin' it. Likely not on I-5 ...but if I felt the timing was right ....hmmm.

We hear again and again: "Ride your own ride" and I guess that doesn't apply to the people who post here as it seems their motto is : "Ride the way I want you to ride". Yet more hypocracy.

-As far as the chick in the video calling 911. Pretty sure it's that fat little ***** from 4th grade who always ran to the principal when someone did a powerslide on their bicycle up to the bicycle rack. I see she hasn't changed.

Impressive wheelies guys .....good luck not getting caught and nice move keeping steady speed and politely blocking wayward cagers from getting in the mix and causing problems

.....for example -like the guy who posted here wanting to run you off the road in his 4runner. Your accidents won't likey be a result of your skillful riding, but rather caused by the animosity of someone like that fellow.

Man O Man what a bunch of nasty phucks on this thread.

Riding his own ride and wishing he could wheellie like those guys ....renojohn

If you could wheelie like them, I hope to hell you'd have brains enough not to, blocking and delaying traffic for miles on a major urban freeway "politely blocking wayward cagers from getting in the mix and causing problems-?" And you're not kidding, either, are you? You're pretty quick to jump on "another rider" when it suits your argument, I see. I can't say anything about these antisocial dickweeds, but you're ok with calling me and others "nasty phucks" and "hypocrates?" And spelling it with a "Ph" doesn't make it any less offensive.

Not to mention your comments on your other "brother riders," that "hurd of maladroid, fat and old phuckers" in Reno whose riding skills you found lacking. How kind of you not to call the police on them. I'll tell you what. I flat don't believe that this group held a candle to the wheelie morons on I-5 that we're discussing, or that they'd even done anything you could have cited to the police as grounds to send a car over. Maybe they weren't skillful enough, but were they endangering dozens of commuters at freeway speeds? Not from your description. And if you "never considered personally causing them harm out of animosity," that's good. Now go back and reread my post. I also didn't say I'd have caused them harm if I'd been there. But it's like watching "*******" on TV. When you see some brother human being crack his nuts pulling a dipwad move with a skateboard, a rope, and a pickup truck, you may cringe, but you're also thinking "well, he had that one coming." Those characters need a lesson in safety and in good manners. Sooner rather than later.

The fact that I ride a motorcycle and someone else does too does not make us brothers. Some of my brothers came by birth, and I choose the others. So I'll just say what I think and you do the same. And if you don't agree with me in the future, please express your disagreement a lot more civilly than you did in this post.

 

[Bearly Flying]

We have some local Squids, full throttle runs thru the gears in town, Everyone can hear them for miles.

Buddy and I tracked them down and told them, Smarten up, or We will beat you to an inch of your life....

So far they have been behaving...

Reno John, I hope you are just kidding..... :headbonk:

 

[RenoJohn]

RenoJohn, I think you and I are a lot closer than it would appear .........
.......... when I'm not working, they are fuckheads. When I am working, they are called reckless drivers/riders, and they'd be going to jail for doing that in and around other traffic. Doing it alone on a highway where they are the ONLY ones in jeopardy, they may not even get a ticket.

Perhaps we are bud.
I know that if it wasn't for people coming to the hospital, I'd be out of a job, but I never wish ill on someone just because it might be a financial gain for me. I'm lucky, my compass of right and wrong stays consistent whether I'm on my own time or otherwise. That makes things easy.

I can kinda see your point though, I met a prostitute who loved men when not working, and just "phucked them" when on the job. I know an attorney who seems like a good guy at dinner or the bar, but while on the clock he'll **** anyone over and IMO he seems to enjoy it. My point being people are often different at work.

If you could wheelie like them, I hope to hell you'd have brains enough not to, blocking and delaying traffic for miles on a major urban freeway "politely blocking wayward cagers from getting in the mix and causing problems-?" And you're not kidding, either, are you? You're pretty quick to jump on "another rider" when it suits your argument, I see. I can't say anything about these antisocial dickweeds, but you're ok with calling me and others "nasty phucks" and "hypocrates?" And spelling it with a "Ph" doesn't make it any less offensive.
Not to mention your comments on your other "brother riders," that "hurd of maladroid, fat and old phuckers" in Reno whose riding skills you found lacking. How kind of you not to call the police on them. I'll tell you what. I flat don't believe that this group held a candle to the wheelie morons on I-5 that we're discussing, or that they'd even done anything you could have cited to the police as grounds to send a car over. Maybe they weren't skillful enough, but were they endangering dozens of commuters at freeway speeds? Not from your description. And if you "never considered personally causing them harm out of animosity," that's good. Now go back and reread my post. I also didn't say I'd have caused them harm if I'd been there. But it's like watching "*******" on TV. When you see some brother human being crack his nuts pulling a dipwad move with a skateboard, a rope, and a pickup truck, you may cringe, but you're also thinking "well, he had that one coming." Those characters need a lesson in safety and in good manners. Sooner rather than later.

The fact that I ride a motorcycle and someone else does too does not make us brothers. Some of my brothers came by birth, and I choose the others. So I'll just say what I think and you do the same. And if you don't agree with me in the future, please express your disagreement a lot more civilly than you did in this post.

wondering whether to get in this pissing match or even where to start. well here goes...

1.) Yes, Mike, *IF* i had the skills to wheelie like those guys (and yes I would like to) I'd sure like to think I'd be smarter than to do it where these riders did. But, I'm reminded of reality and at one time or another, done some pretty stupid stuff. Not always seemed stupid at the time, but in hindsight it was. Age slows those mistakes down a bit but hasn't completely stopped it. Life is lessons learned, and likely these wheelie guys will learn a few, and nothing is going to stop that. I hope they have fun on bikes until and after those lessons. Me sure enjoys watching folks have fun on bikes and me knows there are a lot of ways to do it. It is a wondeful passion that we share. Me thinks these kids will look back on this as stupid and me hopes they continue to enjoy riding moto-bikes. Looks like some damn good fun they're having and sure, they'll figure out sooner or later there are better places for such riding.

2.) Yes, I *DO* think those riders were using some judgement toward safety in that they were somewhat systematic in who and when one of them would wheelie and they were keeping cagers at distance by blocking the lanes. I'm not supporting them in doing this, but at least they weren't at crazy speed and going between cars, instead keeping cars at bay so to speak. Me thinks they were motivated by showing off. The kids probaby got bored impressing each other in parking lots with the wheelies and wanted to show the world. Dumb? No doubt, but worthy of the abuse here ...me not think so, not when many here have used poor judgement at one time or another. Sure I've been guilty a time or two, Carver has admitted to it and I've seen folks on here be more dangerous than the wheelie group ..whether they want to admit it or not.

3.) Yes, I jumped on FJR riders to suit my argument. The hypocracy was too much as was the tone of wishing these wheelie guys hurt.

To the contrary, you can say anything you want, and you did.

4.) Never was the word "brother" used in my post.

5.) To the contrary, many in the group of FJR rider's on hwy 4 were much more dangerous to themselves and others than the wheelie group shown here. Sure, freeway speeds and wheelies might not be safe, but stumbling around on a bike you can't control, going wide in turns is a very possible death sentence to yourself and the folks that have to avoid you on this road full of steep cliffs with no guardrails. Yes, it wasn't nice to call them names. Perhaps I should have said:

You nice guys on fjr's used some very poor judgement taking your bikes and passengers on a road that was way over your skillset and you could have killed yourselves and others. I personally don't appreciate getting run wide on dangerous corners with steep cliffs -as you stumble around. I think you're much more dangerous than the skilled kids in this video, -and perhaps before wishing hate and harm on these kids you should think back on mistakes in your own riding tenure.

Civility? sometimes,sometimes not ..mabye my above was a bit more civil for you. I tend to look at the big picture and IMO these wheelie guys were using some bad judgement, ...but I also think that their thrill seeking was not nearly as dangerous as stuff we see and perhaps do everyday. Believe me, I'd have much rather been next to these adrenaline filled kids than having to change lines and go wide on a narrow part of hwy4 to avoid fjr guys as I did a few years ago. No doubt about it.

cheers sister ....renojohn

Buddy and I tracked them down and told them, Smarten up, or We will beat you to an inch of your life....
Reno John, I hope you are just kidding.....

Maybe that is what I should have done with the fjr guys up on 4?? ...threatened them with violence ...not my style and me thinks they were harm enough to themselves without my help.
kidding ??? No way dude, bashing, threatening and wishing harm on other riders is serious business

 

[SacramentoMike]

RJ--I thought a long time before answering your post last night, and for the same reason you gave. A forum pissing match might be fun to watch, but if you say everything that pops into your head you might say more than you really want to. Sooner or later you and I will meet on a ride or gathering; I'd just as soon we didn't have to go into that both thinking the other is some kind of . . . hmmm, careful what I put down here. . . let's just say wrong-thinking person. My reaction to the wheelies was based on how annoyed I'd be if I had been blocked off by them in my car, not on my admiration for their skills. And I can't wheelie like they do either. Never tried. And yeah, I hope they live to learn to make better choices too.

Now if somebody on a bike, or driving a car or a snowplow came at me wide through a tight mountain turn, I wouldn't have much use for them either. I wouldn't suppose they'd chosen to miss that turn, however. That's how I see the difference between the two groups, and why I feel more critical of the wheelie riders.

I'd just as soon the pissing match ended here, but if you want to continue it sitting down, as sisters, welllll. . . :lol:

 

[RenoJohn]

I'd just as soon the pissing match ended here, but if you want to continue it sitting down, as sisters, welllll. . .

LOL ...mike no worries either way and whether we meet up sometime or not the **** that happens here means nothing. I went on a ball buster rant because I got sick of folks bashing these kids when we all have personally (or at least witnessed) fjr guys doin' bad. You were an easy target because of your words and because i've seen your post i felt I could phuck with ya ....same as Pony who I like ...and maybe I'll get a rath of **** soon for comparing his job comments to hookers and lawyers which i thought was a pretty good *** if I do say so myself.
I'm kinda brash, not always right but usually speak my mind with a bit of spiritedness. I post on forums like I ride .......with good folks and a bit spirited. Sometimes when you go for a ride and take a piss on the side of the road, a drop of piss might drop on your buddy's boot. Some guys can deal with it, some can't. So, should a little piss drop on your boot from one of my posts, please don't take personal offense.

Sometime we'll perhaps meet on a ride ...or maybe we should sign up for a wheelie class and see if we can hang with those riders up in Orygun ....stupid ***** --they were having some fun weren't they? Man-O-Man.

haven't seen anything so dangerous since witnessing that group of FJR guys up on hwy 4 LOL LOL

cheers from Reno ......john

 

[dcarver]

Damn it. Right when the popcorn is ready for eating you two kiss and make up... :wub:

 

[GunMD]

So, should a little piss drop on your boot from one of my posts, please don't take personal offense.

I'm not even sure that your post should be that close to SacramentoMike...

:dribble:

 

[BladeRunner]

Let me see if I have this right.

One act of bravado supported by an act of anarchy.

One outraged "good" citizen playing the NARC role.

One wanna be impressed but can't do it and defaults to the sagely "Now now..."

One testostros young individual destined to die and has no tolerance for those he deems closer than himself.

Multiple slack jawed observers wanting to help but find themselves to have participated in too many roles to risk much more than "not me"

"Oh yeah but what about them" argument redirect applied.

Praise, adoration, maiming, killing and ignoring options all explored.

Prognosis: "Yep, that damn horse is dead but give her another kick just to be sure"

 

[jmdaniel]

My wife and I saw the same thing about 18 months ago, heading out of downtown Austin, north on Mopac to the house. About 8-10 bikes whizzed by us right at the end of 6th, then buzzed up the onramp to Mopac. When they got on the freeway, they blocked all the lanes, and started doing the wheelies, including a couple of guys sitting on their tanks, legs over the handlebars. I told my wife I had mixed feelings; pissed because they were blocking the lanes, but very impressed with the riding skills.

About a mile up the road, the pissed feelings took over, and I dialed up 911. I gave the operator the scenario, directions, etc. but finally hung up when she kept asking me for my information. I had given her my name, but she wanted a call back number, address, etc... I asked her what difference that made, and she gave me some nonsense about procedures. I told her that I was hanging up, but that I hoped one of these guys didn't go skidding down the highway, what with a recorded 911 call giving them a head's up on the situation.

I guess I don't give a rat's a** about those guys acting like fools; I certainly have in the past. Just leave me a lane to slip by, when I get bored with the show.

 

[Auburn]

Prognosis: "Yep, that damn horse is dead but give her another kick just to be sure"

:lol:

Haven't we all done things that just pissed off others just because we wouldn't allow kids to be kids anymore without lowering the hammer on them?

The powers that be shut down anything kids want to do for fun such as street races, skate board parks, won't let them cruise...guess the kids found another way to annoy the masses.

Although I think it is pretty stupid, I probably would have done it when I was that age too.

 

[FJRFolly]

Perhaps I am missing the point here, but is doing a wheelie really make riding a motorcycle any less safer?
If it takes a certain amount of skill do ride a bike on one wheel at 70 mph without crashing...can it really be called reckless driving??

I do of course understand the impact of not helping the image of two wheelers to the four wheeled crowd... but other than image what is the real impact here?

How would you judge this compared to say, a pack of Harleys with straight pipes riding through a residental area?

I'm all for better relations with the quad-wheeled community, but if some numb nut splatters himself on the pavement from doing some silly "stunt" on his bike, how does that really effect me?

Considering how many drivers are busy texting on their cell phones while driving their car and no one can see that activity, or how many drinks they had prior...seems to me the wheelies done by a select few are of little concequence.

KM

Those who cannot police themselves are destined to be policed by others, that's how it affects you (us).

 

[Flyguy]

GunMD wrote:

I'm not even sure that your post should be that close to SacramentoMike...

I'll never read one of your posts in mid-gulp again!! :lol:

Tooooo funny!

 

[Bounce]

Perhaps I am missing the point here, but is doing a wheelie really make riding a motorcycle any less safer?

yes. by definition it does. the controlling wheel is in the air. control is reduced. loud pipes are an annoyance and risk rights. wheelies are more than that.

 

[Bounce]

"Reckless driving" is defined (and enforced) by the police. Only their definition matters in this legal sense.

congress pass laws, courts define those laws, police enforce laws.

 

[Pjturbo]

My memory prevents me from taking a position except I've been damn lucky to live to be this old.

Phil

 

[ShawnKing]

"Reckless driving" is defined (and enforced) by the police. Only their definition matters in this legal sense.

congress pass laws, courts define those laws, police enforce laws.

In a perfect world, you're correct. But we know a cop can and often does define what reckless driving is.