Do you always wear a helmet?

[FJRottie]

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:russian:

Should there be a law against muscle shirts, shorts, and flip-flops on a bike ?

:akido:

Hey, could we rename this area to, "Never-Ending Pointless Recurring Threads Funhouse Where The Gloves Are Allowed To Come Off".

This is fun.

B)

 

[sparky3008]

I believe we live in a free country and as such don't think the gov't should be "protecting" us from ourselves. Don't believe the gov't should be able to make us put on our seat belts.

+1, as long as you don't become a burden to the other taxpayers when you become a veg while exercising your freedoms.

Just so everyone remembers this is where my disagreement came from.

If anyone has "PROOF" that helmets have reduced societies "burden" feel free to point us to it...

Read anything related to insurers and their helmet issues and they make it seem "we" motorcyclists are worse about paying our bills than others say "automobile" drivers. Just not true and hense my problem...

Disagree Agree not really an issue "FACT".

:assasin: h34r: :blink: :angry: <_< :huh: B) :clap: :dribble:

 

[Caba]

Well Now,

I'm an Idaho Liberal, which put's me somewhere right of Rush Limbaugh.

I always wear my helmet, seatbelt, etc.

I am violently against seatbelt & helmet laws!

If we keep protecting people from themselves, how do we weed out the bad genes?

I'm also in favour of a darwinian intelligence test.

 

[TheRepairMan]

...and one thing I see some guys doing is wearing an open face helmet without any eye protection. :bigeyes:

If you've ever been hit in the face at speed by nearly any insect it hurts and I know it could put an eye out or make you loose control of the bike. :akido:

It's just a few seconds to take a small step like putting on your sunglasses that could save your life. :agent:

...and what's up with no headlight... or wearing sandals, shorts and a T-shirt or no shirt. That slab out there ain't the beach and you shouldn't be required to go to the emergency room to be reminded of that. :stunned:

ATGATT !!! :assasin:

Now get the gear on and go have some fun! :clap: :yahoo:

Why are those little smilie things always following me around? :tease:

 

[Wyosteve]

My mother made me promise to always wear a helmet as the condition for my getting my first bike at 14. Can't be breaking promises to our Mother!

 

[Reg# 43897]

I'm an ATGATT kind of guy. I have gone without a helmet in jurisdictions that allowed for it and while the novelty was interesting at the time, I wear the lid. Of course, it's required here anyway. And I have no real problem with that - the public purse picks up the tab so I can see them requiring you to wear it. If you have to pay your medical bills out of your own pocket then you should be free to be an idiot.

John.

 

[wheatonFJR]

CAN'T PAY YOUR OWN BILLS IF YOU DIE OR BECOME A VEG.

 

[sparky3008]

CAN'T PAY YOUR OWN BILLS IF YOU DIE OR BECOME A VEG.

They are referring to Insurance and motorcyclist having a history of not having it.

As opposed to those in a car having it.

Death is cheaper than being a veg and that is where the burden on society comes in.

With or Without a helmet Vegies still occur only at different speeds now and many that would have died before now are vegies....

No conclusive data to hold up either end so continue to guess all we like

 

[twowheelnut]

Sparky, now why would you put a helmet on a head of broccoli? :blink:

 

[sparky3008]

Sparky, now why would you put a helmet on a head of broccoli? :blink:

Because they are no good bruised if they fall out of the back of the truck :lol:

 

[jestal]

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[sparky3008]

Jestal,

You seem to be overlooking my real point.

A. We are forced by law in many states to wear a helmet.

B. The logic behind this and insursance companies requiring it goes back to motorcyclists becoming a burden on society because they became brain damaged.

They(insurance companies) also seem to like to suggest that motorcyclist aren't insured and don't pay their bills so in a effort to reduce their money spent on injured/brain damaged motorcyclist helmets are inforced.

C. My Objective to this is 2 fold.

1). It is BS that motorcyclists are any less insured or pay their bills less than cage drivers.

2. No data has been gaithered to show that helmets have reduced insurance companies burden of brain injured patients and my view on this is that helmets have simply moved around at what speed brain damage now occurs vs death.

Yes, I know that save lives and I wear one and don't have a problem with it.

Toecutter made the society burden comment as if when I don't wear it and get hurt I have added to it when I say wearing a helmet still has people end up as a brain damaged patient. Those doing 50mph then would have dies no burden, now at 50mph are brain damaged. Not as simple as that and hence no real statistics have proven either way. I will continue to wear my helmet no matter where I live I just don't have to like being told and don't have to like that insurance companies think I don't have insurance or pay my bills or that the helmet is going to save me when that truck cuts my off doing 55mph...

 

[radman]

I now wear a helmet most of the time. It used to be I never wore one, this was way back when I first started riding, in the late 60's. I too was bulletproof then. Some events occurred playing with toys Uncle Sam gave me that proved otherwise. I then wore one occasionally. I have never crashed on a motorcycle, so nothing there has happened that would cause me to change my mind. I worked with disabled folks for a while, setting up vans they could either drive or be transported in. All transportation related cases involved cages, never once did I deal with anyone who had crashed on any 2 wheeled vehicles, motorized or otherwise, and only one where a horsey was involved. All of the cager cases involved the use of a seatbelt, as in "didn't have it on". Truth is, they are a viable safety device way more than not, but they must be used to work. Air bags have convinced some idiots that they don't need a seat belt on, but they are statistics in the making regardless of what they do or don't do, morons have a way of finding a way to prove someones case no matter what society does to improve their chances. A helmet is definitely recommended if one crashes, it most assuredly alleviates injury, no matter what ABATE tries to bullshit us with. I occasionally ride without one, a real short trip only now. I've gotten to the point where I don't feel right without it, like not wearing a seatbelt feels odd in a car-it's simply become part of the whole experience, being without feels as odd as if a tire was low or one of the brakes doesn't work. The bike will still move, but the ride feels weird for some reason, and I get an odd premonition that maybe today is the day I change my record. It's uncomfortable enough that it occurs less and less often, and maybe someday that discomfort will save my ass. Time, as they say, will tell.

 

[jestal]

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[Tinker]

"If you have a ten dollar head wear a 10 dollar helmet"

Same here. Though some days it seems like protecting an empty container is a bit of a waste of energy and resources.

 

[sparky3008]

I WAS disagreeing on the comments you made about seat belts and the comment that you made that you don't wear a seat belt... Don't wear one if you want but don't present cockeyed reasons why not to wear one in an attempt to justify your decision that might convince someone else not to. There is simply no reason , whatsoever, to not wear a seat belt. None. Not if you are serious about your safety in a crash....that you might not necessarily have caused or could have avoided.

Do you think people buy BIG SUVS to feel safer?

Do you think that said people who now own these BIG SUVS drive any differently now that they FEEL safer.

If you think the psychological affect of feeling safe has no affect on driving then there is no point in going any further.

Seat belts that I refer to were of the old across the lap type without the shoulder harness and this was from a police officer that told me of it. Now cutting one in two does not have to mean all the way in half legs in one section, upper body in another. The seat belt cutting into your stomach area causing either stomach ripping or your intestines are more of what I refer to and really not my point. Point was that they do cause injury. Look at the air bag industry. While many people's lives have been saved by them look into the law suits and injuries caused by them that still had to be paid by insurance. An air bag has caused death also and who is to say that death wouldn't have occured anyway but children are now not allowed to sit there and many people like my mother-n-law are so short that they have to try and find cars that don't have air bags at all because they sit so close to the wheel.

Bla Bla Blah Blah Blas Thread continues

 

[sparky3008]

The other side to this idea is that many of the car crash victims suffer head injuries. Believe it or not, some of the worst injuries in a crash with multiple occupants comes from them banging their heads together. With the plethora of air bags and seat belt systems in the vehicles the occupant is protected from hitting the "car"....but the occupants can still bounce their heads off of each others heads with severe consequences. Given this, if people were REALLT serious about the "burden on society" they would require helmets in cars. THAT would dramatically lower the injury and death rate in cars just like it does on bikes.

My brother died in a crash crash where his friend walked away. His head hit the drivers side window, blood clot, dead.

But, having driven a tow truck for 5 years saw many scalps stuck in the windshield where they hit it and lived.

Front of head harder than the side... Go figure...

 

[james1300]

Hell yes, I wear a helmet all the time. (Im wearing one now)! kidding.

I dont want to be a burden to anyone else, and I sure as Hell, dont want a stranger wiping my ass for the rest of my life, after I bang my head.

Ask Gary Busey, he didnt wear one, banged his head off a side walk at 25mph.

Darn near killed him.

Dont want to wear one, fine.

Sign a waiver. Dont expect the rest of us, to house, and school your spawn, because YOU thought it was your 'Right' not to protect yourself.

What gives any of you the idea we would want to use our tax money

to help your family, after you screw yourself up?

Same goes for people who dont wear seat belts.

You people just dont get it. Its not to protect you.

Its to protect us from you.

Your arrogance sickens me. James McQuown Firefighter/EMT

 

[sparky3008]

Hell yes, I wear a helmet all the time. (Im wearing one now)! kidding.I dont want to be a burden to anyone else, and I sure as Hell, dont want a stranger wiping my ass for the rest of my life, after I bang my head.

Ask Gary Busey, he didnt wear one, banged his head off a side walk at 25mph.

Darn near killed him.

Dont want to wear one, fine.

Sign a waiver. Dont expect the rest of us, to house, and school your spawn, because YOU thought it was your 'Right' not to protect yourself.

What gives any of you the idea we would want to use our tax money

to help your family, after you screw yourself up?

Same goes for people who dont wear seat belts.

You people just dont get it. Its not to protect you.

Its to protect us from you.

Your arrogance sickens me. James McQuown Firefighter/EMT

Whatever!!! Yea, I need you to save me from myself. Please hurry. You fireman are the only ones who can!

Go ride a bike, go climb a tree, Wrap every one in bubble wrap. Go sky dive oh that helmet will save you. Go rock climb

 

[dcarver]

My main concerns?

The government, watching out for US, decides that, even after all protective gear is worn, motorcycling is just too dangerous. Then outlaws motorcycling completely. Now you are bound to cages. Period, end of statement.

I've read that legislation has been introduced in some small towns to outlaw motorcycles on their public roadways as being too dangerous; a burden on society. The cases, for now, have been overturned. I recall have read this in an AMA publication, but don't have proof so I offer this up as anecdotal evidence.

Agree or disagree with helmet laws, it is the consistent degradation of personal rights and responsibilities by lawmakers that will eventually preclude us from activities we enjoy, whether it be snowboarding, skydiving, motorcycling, private aircraft, guns, or horseback riding.

At all levels, opposition to government imposition into personal lives and life styles need be mitigated. Period. Government imposition is not what our founding fathers had in mind, IMHO.

For those of you who say 'the burden on society is too great' I say - what burden. If I should wipe my cranium cerebellum against the macadam and become a veggie, please, oh please dear God, let me go. Don't burden the living with my foolish, idiotic decisions. If, as society, you assume the burden for my stupid choices, then shame on you, society. Who really is the stupid one here?

BTW, it's been years since I've ridden without a lid on public roads. But then again, I don't wear the armor most on this forum do.. yet. When the 06 arrives, I will be.. it all has something to do with velocity potential of the bike, the mindset, etc. When I'm going down a county dirt road on a Honda 110, I most likely won't have a full face helmet on. When traveling down an asphalt road, on a bike capable of 157? Mph, then YES I will. But, I want it to be MY choice.

I think the real problem is that motorcycles make way to much power these day for the average consumer. Therefore, all motorcycles should only make 12.5 bhp and only by law can operated when the operator has a full faced helmet, armor road gear, leg protection (steel welded hoops), and Honda-like airbags. Just a bad example of where it could go if we don't oppose government intervention. Heard of the laws in Japan or Germany, for example?

Summary - I don't want anyone telling me what to do. Then again, if I do something stupid, I don't want ANY ASSISTANCE from the government or from taxpayers in general. Let me live and die free and let me make my own decisions along the way.

And, if the society thinks they NEED to take care of me after I’ve foolishly ruined my life, then change what society thinks. BTW, you are society. So start making changes. I know I have.

Damn it Sparky 3008, you got my dander up on this one.

Sorry for the diatribe.