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Guess im one of those idiots...I dont judge. I see it both ways...Flame away.... haha
Earlier this year we had a family member not wear ATGATT and then she had a losing battle with a wall late at night. At first we were planning a funeral, then it hit everyone in the family that we may be caring for an adult with severe head trauma for the rest of that person's life. We had to figure out how to manage medical bills which will probably reach >$1 million, provide all the care while they were in an extended coma and then were unable to walk or talk at first. Since then the family has had to deal with ongoing cranial surgery and there are still more surgeries to come to repair facial injuries. Not wearing ATGATT can have a broader reach than just an individual with a DILIGAF attitude.

 
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"Say, if you knew with absolute certainty you were going to crash tomorrow, would you wear gear that day?" And, what makes you so sure that today isn't going to be that day?
Well that's what it boils down to...do you feel like lucky? (Do ya punk?) It's gambling, and if you lose, you're wagering your own ass.

But,again, that's something you have to figure out as to how important it is.

At 61 years old... I've gone 40+ years with never kissing concrete. I could conceivably go another 20 (hopefully) and still never eat asphalt. That makes almost 60 years where I wore all that protection for nothing.

But then, I could go down tomorrow. I kinda view wearing gear to be similar to carrying a gun. I'll likely never ever need it, but if for some reason some day I do...it will be so great I have it with me as opposed to not.

I seriously can not wear anything other than a full face helmet....mostly because I just happened to be in an ER the day they brought in a poor guy that wasn't wearing one and got to see how a face looks like when it grinds off after hitting concrete in a bad spill with an open face helmet.

I always wear gloves....as I learned early riding a bicycle that when you fall, you instinctively put your hands out.

I also 99.99% of the time wear an armored jacket... 'Cause well, all those important organs are under one.

I know jeans aren't as good as armored pants, but it's just skin there, armor isn't going to stop your leg from breaking, and you can live without legs.......

Roll the dice, anything can happen. People wearing full "all the gear" ....have still died in accidents.

Don't judge me, don't compare me to your idea of what's "right" .... I get to make the choice here.

I respect all riders to make their choice and would never belittle their decisions.

 
Guess im one of those idiots. I wear a helmet, jacket, gloves and my work boots. Some days in the south ga weather I lose the jacket. If im hitting any twisties I suit up or cooler weather.Ive been riding street bikes for 22 years and dirt bikes when I was a kid. I work for the fire dept so ive seen people lose there lives in full gear and shorts/t shirt. Seen broken bones in and out of gear. I dont judge. I see it both ways. Hell, when I had my hardly I lost the helmet when ever I could and loved it. Flame away.... haha
I've got Armored semi-mesh gear with reinforcement and a good breathing Shoei helmet. I ride all summer...but I am also just 25 minutes from the cooler temps in the mountains as well.

I ride with my wife on back or my daughter and would never let her ride without full gear...and she's asked.

My son got my Gen 1 FJR. I bought him his gear when he got his first motorcycle...hopefully he will continue the practice through his riding days.

I know that anything can happen on any day on a motorcycle...and these are not superman suits...but I am going to do what I can to make it out alive to ride again.

 
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Here's the thing: It's not my skin and not my head. If you don't want to protect it, well....whatever. I have been known to ask, "Does that hurt? Think some gear would have helped? Dayum!" I had that friend that hit a bat on her HD. She has always refused to wear a helmet. Middle of the day, a small bat flew into her face, breaking her nose, that she had worked on right out of high school. She gave me a "**** you AJ" when I told her, "If you would have had a helmet on, that wouldn't have happened." It's just like anything else. Want to drink yourself to death, smoke yourself to death, put a gun in your mouth? Have fun. Plenty of people think we are nuts for simply riding motorcycles. Their opinion isn't my concern, just like my opinion about someone else's gear probably isn't their concern.

All this being said, I do think the following applies to motorcycles. Just substitute "motorycle" for "horse."

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It's all about mitigating risk and accepting risk levels. You could stay home and not own a motorcycle and your odds of getting hurt or killed while riding a motorcycle go way down. But we choose to accept that risk and ride anyway. I choose my gear based on the risk level I'm willing to accept. As I've gotten older, and better less expensive gear has become available, the level of risk I'm willing to accept has gone down. I ride with my gear, ATGATT.

When you speak to people or people speak to you, lessons can be learned. Those are the ones that are free. Hard learned lessons suck. I preached to a guy at work about gear and he wouldn't listen. He came in to work in serious pain with raspberries all over him. Turns out he went down at neighborhood speeds wearing shorts and a t-shirt. He came to me and said "Can you help me shop for a motorcycle jacket?" That was a lesson he paid for with pain that he could have learned for free.

As stated above, think about the others your decisions affect as well. I have a friend, and he and his two boys will have to make it on their own because his wife/their mom, chose not to wear a seatbelt ever. Her car accident would have had a much different outcome if she'd have had her seatbelt on when she hit the guardrail.

We speak, some listen, some don't, some won't. I try not to judge but I try to help folks because I care, because I don't want to be trying to help you after the accident, because I don't want like to be a pallbearer carrying a friend and watching her kids cry as they bury their mom.

 
ATGATT always...It's how I roll
Yep, even in August Flatistan heat/humidity, my daughter, wife, and myself are ATGATT. For us, it just doesn't feel right to not have ALL the gear on. The discomfort of wearing gear, doesn't compare to the discomfort of road rash. Especially in the emergency room when they're cleaning it. 😳

 
I was raised on the back of bikes. And dirt bikes. Helmets have ALWAYS been worn. Full face.

Also worn at all times, was boots and jeans. Beyond that, tshirts or jackets (depending on the weather) were worn.

On to my own starter street bike- I would stick with those habits. After a few years, I started wearing a jacket and gloves all the time.

Once I got the FJR, I started to increase my ride distances and time. Also increased my riding capabilities and changed the "style" and "speed" of my riding. I then changed my gear.

My parents still ride like they always have. They might have "joked" about me going ATGATT- but they are still supportive about it.

Also the influence of other riders and television/internet shows/broadcasts helped to persuade me to start riding "ATGATT". So, even though it may seem rude or insensitive to talk to other riders about their gear- sometimes it does make a difference. Now, you don't have to be mean about it- but pointing out pros and cons to the lesser dressed rider may help. Just a thought.

 
ATGATT for me. Went down two years ago at interstate speeds because of my own stupidity. Walked away from a totalled FJR and a few hundred feet of sliding. I was a lucky boy, but also a smart boy. I replaced the bike and was back on the road in a week. I never thought I'd be in an accident actually caused by a bad decision by myself, but I was. It can happen anytime in a split second. Always give yourself the best chance for survival. ATGATT period.

You can feel immune to accidents after a couple of hundred thousand miles of experience. You would be wrong. I know I'm preaching to the choir here. Who knows? Maybe there are some folks here who make an occasional short ride while skipping all the gear. That's when the accident will happen. Lot's of great examples of smart rider's in this group. Makes me happy to be included in in such a fine group of riders.

 
Fabulous opinions and ideas already noted here. In my youth, I was guilty of riding in less-than-desirable attire, and have seen people fall down in front of me, and slide on the pavement. I took those experiences to heart. You are all individuals, and free to make your own choices. Here's something to ponder.

A certain lady, age unimportant, is having a bad day. She may have PMS, or be in the initial uncomfortable stages of menopause. Her husband left her two years ago for a younger, shapely, libidinous piece of arm candy, and left her with car payments, child care duties, and a bad attitude. She is not a lesbian, but right now she hates men more than Charlie Sheen hates rehab. She works miserable rotating shifts as an emergency room nurse, at a hospital that hasn't given her a raise in three years, and could care less if she leaves or not. She's seven hours into her current shift, and on the way to work today, her car's check engine light came on, and the car made a few horrifying mechanical noises, and quit running eight blocks from the hospital parking lot, in the rain. Her teenage kid refuses to answer his phone, because he's in her basement, playing video games with his loser friends, so she may have to walk home. She's having hot flashes, has a screaming headache, and just got done providing medical care for a drunken redneck who broke his hand trying to punch his toothless wife, but hit the refrigerator instead. And the head nurse just told her that she's going to have to work the Fourth of July this year.

NOW.......here you come into the emergency room, having just fallen off your macho, masculine, small-weiner-compensating two-wheeled phallic symbol. You thought that you were invincible, and the greatest rider since Mike Hailwood, and safer that Ralph Nader's nanny. You weren't wearing protective gear, because, after all, you were just running down to the corner store to pick up some Preparation H and a bottle of Jameson's. And here comes Nurse Ratched. She's going to do her assigned medical care duty, and the first thing on her list is to make sure those little owees you have are sanitary. She's got a Home Depot bucket full of saline solution, which, I don't need to tell you, is essentially salt water. In her other hand, she's got a stiff-bristled brush that you could use to clean barnacles off a battleship. Guess what? You will NOT be happy with Nurse Ratched's technique. But rest assured, those wounds will be clean when she's done. And she'll be the one removing your first crusty, blood-stained bandages, giving you another scrubbing to remove the necrotic material, and re-applying your bandages.

Sleep well, grasshopper.

 
I was going to comment about how the ER nurse won't feel sorry for you at all, but that above about covers it.
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Opinions, all. This is the USA, so you have a Constitutional Right to form your own opinions and express them. (I think similar rights apply to my Forum buddies in Canada, Australia, the UK, and western Europe.)

Just like a number of other subjects -- ice cream flavor, gluten-free food, favorite sport, the best color for FJRs-- you have your opinion and I have mine. It's never easy trying to convince you my opinion is better, and everybody knows that those conversations strain friendships and family.

These days, I ride ATTGATT almost always (work shoes occasionally; leather with hard soles). Forty years ago, I rode Hawaiian streets in a t-shirt, nylon running shorts, flip-flops, and no helmet.

Ride your own ride, my friends, but be an adult and accept responsibility for making your own decisions.

 
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Fabulous opinions and ideas already noted here. In my youth, I was guilty of riding in less-than-desirable attire, and have seen people fall down in front of me, and slide on the pavement. I took those experiences to heart. You are all individuals, and free to make your own choices. Here's something to ponder.
A certain lady, age unimportant, is having a bad day. She may have PMS, or be in the initial uncomfortable stages of menopause. Her husband left her two years ago for a younger, shapely, libidinous piece of arm candy, and left her with car payments, child care duties, and a bad attitude. She is not a lesbian, but right now she hates men more than Charlie Sheen hates rehab. She works miserable rotating shifts as an emergency room nurse, at a hospital that hasn't given her a raise in three years, and could care less if she leaves or not. She's seven hours into her current shift, and on the way to work today, her car's check engine light came on, and the car made a few horrifying mechanical noises, and quit running eight blocks from the hospital parking lot, in the rain. Her teenage kid refuses to answer his phone, because he's in her basement, playing video games with his loser friends, so she may have to walk home. She's having hot flashes, has a screaming headache, and just got done providing medical care for a drunken redneck who broke his hand trying to punch his toothless wife, but hit the refrigerator instead. And the head nurse just told her that she's going to have to work the Fourth of July this year.

NOW.......here you come into the emergency room, having just fallen off your macho, masculine, small-weiner-compensating two-wheeled phallic symbol. You thought that you were invincible, and the greatest rider since Mike Hailwood, and safer that Ralph Nader's nanny. You weren't wearing protective gear, because, after all, you were just running down to the corner store to pick up some Preparation H and a bottle of Jameson's. And here comes Nurse Ratched. She's going to do her assigned medical care duty, and the first thing on her list is to make sure those little owees you have are sanitary. She's got a Home Depot bucket full of saline solution, which, I don't need to tell you, is essentially salt water. In her other hand, she's got a stiff-bristled brush that you could use to clean barnacles off a battleship. Guess what? You will NOT be happy with Nurse Ratched's technique. But rest assured, those wounds will be clean when she's done. And she'll be the one removing your first crusty, blood-stained bandages, giving you another scrubbing to remove the necrotic material, and re-applying your bandages.

Sleep well, grasshopper.

That's hilarious!!! Maybe I was a bit out of line calling the man and idiot, so my apologies for that. However, as noted in this humorous, but rather somewhat true scenario above, imagine the policeman that comes to your m/c accident and sees how lucky you are not to be terribly injured. After all, he tell you he's a rider as well and has seen numerous m/c crashes some like this and some where there's a body laying on the pavement covered in a yellow tarp. I think I would be inclined to listen to the man and take what he has to say with some merit. He's actually trying to help you :)

 
I sold a bike to a friend and he went down at about 85 mph, pretty much just a helmet, jeans, etc. In the hospital he told me of the drill: get shot up with Demerol and fly, fly, fly. Then sit in the whirlpool until the wounds are soft, then onto the gurney, just flying! Then the scrub brushes... He said he could feel every bristle. He heard someone screaming and wondered who it was, then realized it was himself.

 
My brother walked out of his place of work wearing a goose down coat, jeans, open face helmet with face shield and sneakers only to discover his motorcycle lying on its side on the ground. Spewing foul words and with smoke coming out of his ears he picked up his bike. He didn't see bent levers or broken mirrors so he started it up and headed home down Rt 95 (Newburyport Ma area). Coincidentally a fellow coworker was following him on the highway a little distance back. The coworker said that my brother was riding along when all of a sudden the bike turned to the right, immediately whipped to the left and by brother rocketed off the bike. He hit the pavement and there was an ensuing white-out condition from flying feathers as his goose down coat blew up. My brother went from 80 mph to zero mph over a long stretch of highway while his coworker provided traffic blocking to keep him from getting run over. He had road rashe6. The coworker stopped and helped my brother through the police and tow truck activity and he offered to drive by brother to a hospital. My brother refused the hospital and asked to be dropped someplace where his wife could come pick him up. My brother says he was sitting on the sidewalk of a gas station waiting for his wife, all his clothing in blood soaked tatters, with small pools of blood forming around him when someone walked past him and cheerfully said, "It sure is a nice day today, isn't it!"

It was touch and go if he was going to need skin grafts; he got the scrubbing treatment by nurse Ratchet. Daily he had to soak off the gauze bandages on his legs, arms, back and chest, only it never completely came loose and some of the gauze had to be ripped off. He was using antibiotic ointment from a 55 gallon drum for weeks. He did seem to be in some pain for a very long time
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It was clear that road rash = 3rd degree burns for both pain and treatment.

After the final scabs fell off he went out and bought a new motorcycle. And a full coverage helmet, motorcycle jacket, pants, boots and gloves and never left home without them thereafter. See, I knew he was smart
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--> We discovered that someone had backed into his motorcycle hard enough to tip it over in the direction of the side stand and broke the down-tube frame up by the steering head. Apparently the frame was just cracked and waited until he was on the highway to fail and separate.

 
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