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Well... time to paint the house ;) . Any thoughts on which method is better - brush or spray? I am going to do it myself. Its a pretty simple house - four sides, built in 1964, semi rough hewn cedar lap board - likely painted many times over the years. Will be switching color from sand to something darker (likely a green). Wife says to spray. I'm not big on that. I want to lay down some paint and take my time. Don't want to hassle with all the spray equipment and extra prep.

Thanks mates for the input.

:)

Scott

 
I doubt if I have any unique insights here, but you did ask. . .

By far the biggest part of any painting job is prep work. Scrape, wash, mask, by the time you start to apply paint, you're 80% done. By the way, when washing a wall, for example, always start at the bottom. Many start at the top so the dirty water won't run down on the clean part, but that's fine. If you wash the top first, the cleaning solution you use will run down onto the dirty lower part and leave drip marks that don't wash out when you come to do the bottom. Less critical when doing a surface you'll be repainting, but still good practice for all big-vertical-surface washing.

Will you paint window and door frames a different color? That involves another level of masking and will need a brush, unless you really LOVE masking and taping. You could mask windows and doors (after the scraping and repairing is done) and spray, then brush the rest. Brushes are OK if you can just slap the paint on, but a rough surface like cedar boards would be a PITA to brush and suck up so much paint you'd have to dip your brush way too often. If you get EVERYTHING ready to spray: cleaned, masked off, etc., there's a good chance you could do ALL your spraying in one day. That saves a lot of end-of-day cleanup.

Nice thing about painting is you can stay in the shade. Never paint in direct sunlight, and there's always shade somewhere. Anyway, I'm suggesting a combination of spray and brush. You wouldn't happen to have a teenager or two around the house, would you? I found that real helpful last summer. :p

 
Well... time to paint the house ;) . Any thoughts on which method is better - brush or spray? I am going to do it myself. Its a pretty simple house - four sides, built in 1964, semi rough hewn cedar lap board - likely painted many times over the years. Will be switching color from sand to something darker (likely a green). Wife says to spray. I'm not big on that. I want to lay down some paint and take my time. Don't want to hassle with all the spray equipment and extra prep.

Thanks mates for the input.

:)

Scott
To get a good job, you can either spray or roll it, then back brush either method. Makes sure you get good coverage. Spraying can be a PIA to do all the prep and tape off and to deal with the overspray. I would roll and back braush if it were me. Less mess and prep.

 
SPRAY -- no question. Unless you like turning it from a one or two day job into a couple weeks. And with lap board, you can shoot it from an angle to get the different angled surfaces in one pass, while rolling won't do it and brushing that sort of thing is very time consuming. Changing colors means you need to get good coverage, and those angled surfaces will really show up your "holidays".

I used to paint and finish drywall professionally, and spray work (industrial, high work and house -- interior and exterior) was my forte (airless for most, conventional for a lot of cabinets and finer stuff). I had a system with an airless for exterior house painting that works like a charm -- one day on almost any house (after prep) for me and one helper.

Surface prep work can be the most time consuming part, whether you spray, roll or brush. Once that's done, including any required priming (if large areas require priming, you can spray primer as first stage after masking), I'd set one day to paint the house, excepting trim color, which may or may not be doable in the same day, depending on house size and amount of trim.

Spray day, we start out as a 2 man team, masking windows, doors, etc. with 4 mil visqueen, a hammer-tacker (stapler) and cardboard drywall shims (they come 48" long, about 1.5" wide and about 1/8" thick)*. You take a piece of visqueen a little larger than the door or window you are masking, hold it against the top trim with a piece of shim and staple it with the hammer tacker through both into the trim, then go around the window the same way and trim with a utility knife. (If you don't use the shims, the hammer tacker can mark the trim, but if you do, each staple leaves only 2 small holes that will be invisible after painting the trim.) Masking tape and either visqueen pieces or masking paper are used for hose bibs and other small stuff that can't be removed. There is usually not too much masking tape type masking on an exterior.

I'd usually go part way around the house with the helper before I'd start spraying (a little slower because I'd also be doing his helper work moving stuff and rolling/brushing as necessary), but you may want to finish masking first. Your helper is going to speed your spraying by helping to move the ladder and drop clothes and using a roller or brush to catch runs, even out spots or cut in some spots from the wet paint you just sprayed on. Main trick for fast spraying: your helper (or you) has a slightly paint wet brush and roller ready to go to roll out or brush out any runs. You just get enough paint to cover on as smoothly as you can, and catch any runs before they begin to set up.** Use drop clothes and runners as you go 'round the house to keep it off decks, etc. You can just flat rip this way, and get full, even coverage on everything. (There are a few finesse tips if you have discoloring AND are using a semi transparent stain, but it doesn't sound like that's applicable here.) Also, remember to have a spray shield on hand -- a 4 x 2 foot piece of cardboard will suffice, which you either one hand, or your helper holds to allow you to get a spot where you don't want to spray an adjacent area (e.g., useful around eves, to shield plants, etc.).

When done spraying, peel the masking off -- a snap with the shims. And now you're ready to paint trim with a brush. BTW, real painters don't wipe the paint off their brushes after dipping them into the bucket. They tap both sides against the inside of the bucket to keep the paint from dripping while not taking all the paint off the brush. Up to a point, the more paint you can keep on the brush, the better it flows into corners, draws straight lines and gets the painting done.

* If you can't find drywall shims, you can mask the same way without them, but I'd recommend an electric or hand stapler instead of the much faster hammer tacker, since the hammer tacker is gonna leave marks. And you're gonna spend a little more time removing staples without the drywall shims.

** On interior stuff that is really flat, like finished sheetrock, esp. in new construction or industrial LARGE wall applications, any good painter is going to try to use an airless with a helper double rolling behind. It gets enough paint on to avoid holidays, even if it's all white and hard to see light spots after hours of staring at the same white and shadows. The airless gets the paint up there, the roller (or brush) only smooths it and evens it for a smooth, even and professional result.

 
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SPRAY -- no question. Unless you like turning it from a one or two day job into a couple weeks. And with lap board, you can shoot it from an angle to get the different angled surfaces in one pass, while rolling won't do it and brushing that sort of thing is very time consuming. Changing colors means you need to get good coverage, and those angled surfaces will really show up your "holidays".

I used to paint and finish drywall professionally, and spray work (industrial, high work and house -- interior and exterior) was my forte (airless for most, conventional for a lot of cabinets and finer stuff). I had a system with an airless for exterior house painting that works like a charm -- one day on almost any house (after prep) for me and one helper.

Surface prep work can be the most time consuming part, whether you spray, roll or brush. Once that's done, including any required priming (if large areas require priming, you can spray primer as first stage after masking), I'd set one day to paint the house, excepting trim color, which may or may not be doable in the same day, depending on house size and amount of trim.

Spray day, we start out as a 2 man team, masking windows, doors, etc. with 4 mil visqueen, a hammer-tacker (stapler) and cardboard drywall shims (they come 48" long, about 1.5" wide and about 1/8" thick)*. You take a piece of visqueen a little larger than the door or window you are masking, hold it against the top trim with a piece of shim and staple it with the hammer tacker through both into the trim, then go around the window the same way and trim with a utility knife. (If you don't use the shims, the hammer tacker can mark the trim, but if you do, each staple leaves only 2 small holes that will be invisible after painting the trim.) Masking tape and either visqueen pieces or masking paper are used for hose bibs and other small stuff that can't be removed. There is usually not too much masking tape type masking on an exterior.

I'd usually go part way around the house with the helper before I'd start spraying (a little slower because I'd also be doing his helper work moving stuff and rolling/brushing as necessary), but you may want to finish masking first. Your helper is going to speed your spraying by helping to move the ladder and drop clothes and using a roller or brush to catch runs, even out spots or cut in some spots from the wet paint you just sprayed on. Main trick for fast spraying: your helper (or you) has a slightly paint wet brush and roller ready to go to roll out or brush out any runs. You just get enough paint to cover on as smoothly as you can, and catch any runs before they begin to set up.** Use drop clothes and runners as you go 'round the house to keep it off decks, etc. You can just flat rip this way, and get full, even coverage on everything. (There are a few finesse tips if you have discoloring AND are using a semi transparent stain, but it doesn't sound like that's applicable here.) Also, remember to have a spray shield on hand -- a 4 x 2 foot piece of cardboard will suffice, which you either one hand, or your helper holds to allow you to get a spot where you don't want to spray an adjacent area (e.g., useful around eves, to shield plants, etc.).

When done spraying, peel the masking off -- a snap with the shims. And now you're ready to paint trim with a brush. BTW, real painters don't wipe the paint off their brushes after dipping them into the bucket. They tap both sides against the inside of the bucket to keep the paint from dripping while not taking all the paint off the brush. Up to a point, the more paint you can keep on the brush, the better it flows into corners, draws straight lines and gets the painting done.

* If you can't find drywall shims, you can mask the same way without them, but I'd recommend an electric or hand stapler instead of the much faster hammer tacker, since the hammer tacker is gonna leave marks. And you're gonna spend a little more time removing staples without the drywall shims.

** On interior stuff that is really flat, like finished sheetrock, esp. in new construction or industrial LARGE wall applications, any good painter is going to try to use an airless with a helper double rolling behind. It gets enough paint on to avoid holidays, even if it's all white and hard to see light spots after hours of staring at the same white and shadows. The airless gets the paint up there, the roller (or brush) only smooths it and evens it for a smooth, even and professional result.
Wow. :) Great info! I had not tee-ed up this thread in a whle - but the PNW summer is slowly drying out up here. Time to get going on this project.

Any tips on a good home owner / DIY sprayer?

I see some at Lowes and Home Depot. I guess I need an airless model HVLP?

Thanks Mate.

Scott

 
I use one of those rollers that sucks paint up into the handle like a big syringe.

I spent about $600 on an airless back in 2000, because I had a friend that was a pro painter/drywaller, and that's what he used. I found that you can lose a LOT of paint (as much as a third) to overspray, and the material that doesn't make it to the wall drifts everywhere. (and they're a bear to clean, and they push paint at such high pressure that they're an injection hazard)

If I were painting an empty house, I might consider breaking the airless rig out, but if you're taking down photos & dragging furnishings to the center of the room, there's no way in a million years I'd use the airless.

I've never used a wagner or HVLP gun, so I can't comment on those.

 
FWIW, I'm no expert, but I use a wagoner power sprayer, it's a whole lot faster and seems to do a good job. I've got T-111 siding and the power sprayer makes it easy to get into all the grooves. Prep takes more time than the actual painting.

 
Any tips on a good home owner / DIY sprayer?
Not really -- I have always been partial to contractor/commercial duty rigs, and rent one whenever I need one nowadays. When I was doing this for a living, I was most partial to Graco, Binks was a good second choice, and I did a couple jobs back then with a small Wagner. I probably had more time on Graco 333s and a 433 than anything else -- those model numbers disclose the era ('70s to early '80s)-- truly great machines for everything from houses to industrial coatings on high steel work and coal tar epoxies in dam diversion tunnels.

Last time I sprayed a house was in early November 2004 (same process, exactly as I described) on the house I sold in 2005 -- 2,400 square foot single story house with two dormers, plus a 28 foot by 48 foot detached garage -- 3 car + 1 RV stall with roll-up door that made it almost 2 stories high. One day with a helper left only the trim to be painted. I rented a Wagner commercial duty airless from an equipment rental yard for one day for that.

A warning about airless sprayers, in case you aren't aware:

 

Conventional sprayers propel paint on an adjustable stream of air, and you can put your finger over the tip (which forces paint in the supply tube back into the paint pot). Do that on an airless, and it'll rip a hole in your flesh, which can give you an instant paint embolism, or at the least, a trip to the ER with a nasty wound. They generate a narrow fan from a machined tip that is fed very high pressure paint (without air) from the airless pump. That's why airlesses typically come with a protective plastic nozzle piece to keep you from getting your flesh any closer than about 2 inches from the tip. You clean jams of the tip with a needle or pin after removing it. To make that easier when you had to do it often (typically due to the type of paint, its consistency, or failure to adequately strain it before putting it in the pump), it used to be common for commercial painters to remove the plastic protector.

And Barb -- you're bad . . . which is a compliment, of course. :p ;) :p

 
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I'm going to go against the grain here. I know that spraying is quicker for many applications, but I have some issues with airless sprayers. I spent years painting houses, using both airless and roller and brush. For flat surfaces, or for stuff like 8 panel doors, the airless works fine and can certainly save time; though it's a pain to get it all set up and get everything taped off. Quality? For most homes, inside and out, give me a a large roller and good brush any day. On external projects like rough stucco or anything with deep grooves or cracks, I've seen how an airless drives the paint around cracks and crevices, not into them. A roller doesn't do this. I sold the airless and use roller and brush exclusively. The roller drives paint into the cracks that the airless skips over. Sometimes speed isn't everything.

Hope that helps

Gary

darksider #44

 
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Spray and back roll it.

Sprayer storage tip: Flush with water (water based paint) then run paint thinner and motor oil 75/25 mix into the whole system and leave it in the pump,hose and gun. My friend who owns a painting supply store taught me this. My airless sprayer has sat for a couple years between uses and works just fine when I need it.

 
I worked a couple summers painting houses and we always used rollers for large areas. First we cut in around the windows and doors, etc with brushes, then hit the siding with 18" wide rollers - the really thick nap ones (I think you can get 1.5 inch or more). You got to really load the roller up with paint and roll slowly. If you use too little paint and roll too quickly you'll "fling" paint off the backside of the roller.

I've painted more interior walls and ceiling than I care to think about using this method. If you do it right, you don't need a drop cloth - of course if you do it wrong, you'll wind up with thousands of little dots of paint all over your floors, furniture, hair etc.

 
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