False Neutral Indicator

[CeleritasFJR]

How and/or why would/could you shut-down and then get off your bike in a false neutral condition?

Some people turn their bike off while in gear, and leave it in gear (A very smart way to park on the side stand BTW).

Then they come back to the bike, turn the key to "on", put it into "indicated" neutral and then hit the start button.

That is how.

BINGO, FJRottie! That is exactly what I have been doing thinking it the best way to prevent the bike from drifting while parked on the sidestand. While the Dallas area is not prone to seismic activity for some reason I just thought this was good practice. Now I am finding out that having the bike idle at an angle can result in oil/lube deprivation. This forum is incredible and I have yet to log on and read without learning something!!!!

 

[05fjrBluedevil]

The neutral sensor on the '06 and '07 A models is different from the earlier models. With the addition of the gear indicator display Yamaha had to add additional sensors for each of the 5 gears. I don't know if the new method of sensing neutral is more or less accurate than the one used on the earlier models. Sounds like it could be less accurate.

Has anybody with an 05 or earlier had this problem or any variation of it? My routine is to park my bike in first gear and when I come back to it I turn on the key then rock it backward slightly while flipping up the gear shift lever with my left foot to put it in neutral. The neutral indicator light goes on as the lever clicks into neutral.I let it rest back on the sidestand and hit the starter switch to let the bike warm up while I put on gear. I don't check to make sure its really in neutral. Could it go all the way to 2nd gear and give me a false neutral light? That could end up sucking in a big way. Now i guess I will have to roll it a few inches to actually make sure its not in gear.

YEp, I think it is clutch plates sticking. I can start mine even to this day and it will try to move even with the lever pulled in, so I think the clutch is fully disengagingf the plates.

If i start it in neutral, while having center stand down, rear wheel will spin for a while, either revving the throttle or it will sttop on its own once bike gets to normal idle speed.

 

[twodogs]

With my bike on the side stand yesterday, I walked up and made a couple of very complimentary comments on how beautiful she looked before turning the ignition key to On and seeing the Bright GREEN letter N. After which, I hit the Starter to let her warm up a bit while putting on my gloves. Hitting the Starter turned the engine over and launched her forward taking her off the side stand. Fortunately my left hand was on the L handlebar and I was able to catch her before she fell over. Is this a fairly common situation? I tried searching but was unable to find result of a similar event on the forum. Now I will pull the clutch in when starting up before climbing on.

This exact thing happened to me Friday.

Bike was parked in 1st gear on a slight incline. Difficult to get into neutral but the green light went on. It lurched when I pressed the starter. The side stand folded. I caught it just before the left side touched down.

Of note:

1. It was in fact in neutral after it lurched and I caught it as the rear wheel rolled to the rear as I lifted the bike (until I applied the front brake).

2. Diagnosing things afterwards, I discovered that my sidestand switch doesn't work. The bike does not die if the stand is lowered while in gear (clutch in) and I can let out the clutch and get underway with the stand down. Visual inspection discloses no obvious defects.

3. I recently had the gauge cluster replaced pursuant to the recall and wonder if this could have anything to do with the sidestand switch malfunction. Does anyone know if the sidstand switch interfaces with the cluster?

FWIW

Bill