Finally rode on some curvy/hilly roads!

Yamaha FJR Motorcycle Forum

Help Support Yamaha FJR Motorcycle Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

UselessPickles

Making Grand Canyon replicas from air boxes...
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
951
Reaction score
20
Location
Michigan
I finally got to experience some roads that are not flat, straight and arranged in a grid like most of SE Michigan. I got up into the upper peninsula of Michigan and dipped down into Wisconsin a bit. Unfortunately, there was quite a conflict of interests and road trip styles among all in the group (motercyclists were outnumbered by young and elderly people in cagers that got invited along on this motorcycle road trip because "they'd love it!"), so I didn't get to ride all the roads I had planned and didn't get nearly enough time on the roads that I did make it to.

I sure wish I had fun roads closer to home. I was laughing out load in my helmet at times. It feels amazing to roll on the throttle in 3rd gear and have the front end float up as you crest a hill mid-corner :) . I even got both wheels off the ground on a couple hills in the straight sections. I spent most of the time in 3rd gear so I could focus on cornering without worrying about running out of revs mid-corner. 3rd gear seems to have plenty of torque to put a smile on my face through the curves.

One of my favorite areas was US-41, M-26 and Brockway Mtn Drive near Copper Harbor, MI (google map clicky)

My brother is up in Houghton going to Michigan Tech right now, so he gets to go ride these roads any time he likes. He calls the 26 and 41 loop "the rollercoaster of the upper peninsula". I determined that Brockway Mtn Drive should then be called "the Meanstreak of the upper peninsula" (the Meanstreak is a very large and old wooden roller coaster at Cedar Pointe that is very rough, but very fun).

My biggest problem with the curves was that I regularly overestimated the corners, so I would initially turn into the corner too much and need to stand the bike up and re-situate. I suppose it's much better than coming into corners too fast, but it was a little frustrating to find out that I could've very comfortably gone quite a bit faster through almost every corner. Part of it was because I didn't know the roads and had no idea what was coming up next, but I even turned in too quickly on corners that I had a clear view all the way through and could see exactly what I was up against. I assume that I just need to get better at "reading" corners with more experience. I think it just might be worth the 10 hour ride to go spend a long weekend up there again (without a large group of vacationers in cages in tow).

Here's a couple videos from the trip. The wide angle lens makes the curves and hills look more straightened out than they really are. Now I'm thinking of getting a standard angle camera too.

US-41:

 
Technique and muscle memory are your problems. Since you don't get to ride twisting roads very often your perception isn't honed to it.

My suggestion: Try "late apex". In other words, when coming to a left had turn, stay in the right wheel track until you see through the corner (the actual exit), then tip in and accelerate through the apex.

I find this technique really helps me see any "surprises" or obstacles in corners. In the West we have too many RVs and cages who violate the center line so it's best to err on the caution side of riding.

 
Technique and muscle memory are your problems. Since you don't get to ride twisting roads very often your perception isn't honed to it.
My suggestion: Try "late apex". In other words, when coming to a left had turn, stay in the right wheel track until you see through the corner (the actual exit), then tip in and accelerate through the apex.

I find this technique really helps me see any "surprises" or obstacles in corners. In the West we have too many RVs and cages who violate the center line so it's best to err on the caution side of riding.
+1 to the above. And it sounds like you may not be looking through the turn far enough.

 
Reading your post made me think you must be inside my head sometimes. (that will probably get some sick comments) I find myself overestimating a lot of curves and when I get through them I'm thinking I could have gone 20 mph faster- and I don't consider myself a fast rider at all. Oh well, better to be too slow than too fast. I am still amazed at what this bike is capable of!

I just came back from Colorado and riding all the twisties and mountains there really helped my overall skill and confidence.

When I can get the time, I'm going to Lee Parks riding clinic- I have heard many great things about it and I'm obsessed with getting better.

 
Make sure you only have a light pressure on the bars. Lean into them a little and put your face out into the turn as you are looking through it. That will get you over the bars more and then you won't pull on the bars. If your hands are getting numb then you are holding the bars to hard.

 
Now if they would only resurface Brockway Mtn. Drive...can you imagine the fun?

Hwy 41 south of Copper Harbor is a blast.

Glad you had a good time in the UP UP. ;)

 
Suggested reading - Keith Code's book(s) A Twist of the Wrist (I, and/or even better, II).

 
We definitely have to plan some trips south to run the triple nickel (OH-555) and parts south. You've just gotten a small taste of this bike's potential, you NEED to make time for EOM...
I just used up almost all my paid time off on this trip, so I don't think I'd be able to go to EOM this year. I'll make it a priority for next year.

It does look like a weekend trip to southern OH would be quite reasonable without the need for taking any time off work. I'm itching to get some good riding to make up for the disappointment of my big trip this year.

 
We definitely have to plan some trips south to run the triple nickel (OH-555) and parts south. You've just gotten a small taste of this bike's potential, you NEED to make time for EOM...
I just used up almost all my paid time off on this trip, so I don't think I'd be able to go to EOM this year. I'll make it a priority for next year.

It does look like a weekend trip to southern OH would be quite reasonable without the need for taking any time off work. I'm itching to get some good riding to make up for the disappointment of my big trip this year.
Not sure where you are in Michigan, but I live in the western suburbs of Detroit and I run south into SE Ohio as Wayne said. There are a lot more roads to practice on in SE OH, and they are not really all that far away. Beats the flat lands around here, for sure!

 
Not sure where you are in Michigan, but I live in the western suburbs of Detroit and I run south into SE Ohio as Wayne said. There are a lot more roads to practice on in SE OH, and they are not really all that far away. Beats the flat lands around here, for sure!
I'm just north of you a bit (Farmington Hills). I was checking out some of the roads in SE OH on google maps, and now I'm excited to head out that way. Now I just need to convince my wife to let me abandon her for a weekend.

 
What kind of speeds were you going on this road? I watched the first video and some of the spots looked quite speedy.
The speedo was strategically not included in the shot :)

I wasn't really looking at the speedo, but I know I was in 3rd gear most of the time. I did shift into 4th for some of the longer straights because of that pesky rev limiter; you do the math :) . I also know that my average speed for that first video was about 70mph based on the distance between the start/end points and the length of the video.

 
**thread hijack**

ALFJR; you wouldn't have happened to be the FJR /w a C14 & another sportbike on 32 mile road today just outside of Richmond huddled around a map would you? I passed by, but by the time I got turned around you were already rolling west...

-wr

**end hijack**

My first planned trip south next year will be the 1st part of May next year for a VFRD.com meet in Franklin, NC. Anyone want to pick a weekend in October to run south? Take off friday night, ride saturday, return sunday...

-wr

We definitely have to plan some trips south to run the triple nickel (OH-555) and parts south. You've just gotten a small taste of this bike's potential, you NEED to make time for EOM...
I just used up almost all my paid time off on this trip, so I don't think I'd be able to go to EOM this year. I'll make it a priority for next year.

It does look like a weekend trip to southern OH would be quite reasonable without the need for taking any time off work. I'm itching to get some good riding to make up for the disappointment of my big trip this year.
Not sure where you are in Michigan, but I live in the western suburbs of Detroit and I run south into SE Ohio as Wayne said. There are a lot more roads to practice on in SE OH, and they are not really all that far away. Beats the flat lands around here, for sure!
 
**thread hijack**
ALFJR; you wouldn't have happened to be the FJR /w a C14 & another sportbike on 32 mile road today just outside of Richmond huddled around a map would you? I passed by, but by the time I got turned around you were already rolling west...

-wr

**end hijack**

My first planned trip south next year will be the 1st part of May next year for a VFRD.com meet in Franklin, NC. Anyone want to pick a weekend in October to run south? Take off friday night, ride saturday, return sunday...

-wr

We definitely have to plan some trips south to run the triple nickel (OH-555) and parts south. You've just gotten a small taste of this bike's potential, you NEED to make time for EOM...
I just used up almost all my paid time off on this trip, so I don't think I'd be able to go to EOM this year. I'll make it a priority for next year.

It does look like a weekend trip to southern OH would be quite reasonable without the need for taking any time off work. I'm itching to get some good riding to make up for the disappointment of my big trip this year.
Not sure where you are in Michigan, but I live in the western suburbs of Detroit and I run south into SE Ohio as Wayne said. There are a lot more roads to practice on in SE OH, and they are not really all that far away. Beats the flat lands around here, for sure!
Wayne, Hey! Hope you and Annette are well!

Nope, wasn't me.. I don't get up to your parts much!! Cheers!!

 
Top