Over the past week or two, my 2006A (16,000 miles) ignition switch has on several occasions not worked in the normal "on" position. Moving the key back slightly brings the power on. I took it in and, of course, it worked perfectly at the dealer. The service manager said that unless they can get it to fail, they can't replace it under warranty. I mentioned that this was obviously a safety-related concern and that they might want to get ahead of it, given that the bike might fail under a critical situation, but they were adamant and suggested I contact Yamaha Customer Support. I did, and I got the same answer. They maintained that they knew nothing of this issue; never heard of it. I reported this site, and that many other owners reported the same problem, and that it was always the wiring harness pulling on the switch. I also brought up the safety issue. It seems to me they would want to avoid the obvious repercussions of someone going down because of this, particularly if they had already reported the issue and been refused by the dealer. No luck. Oh well, they better hope I don't have an accident. I'm sending a registered letter establishing my complaint, in case I have a problem.
I understand that they can't issue a recall or service advisory until complaints reach a certain level, but their refusal to acknowledge that they'd ever heard of this failure is maddening.
Really, I'd pull the bike into the stealership parking lot, grab my needle nose pliers, wrap the red wire with some tape to disguise the following, and grab that red wire going into the switch and jerk it out.
Then you have a failure they can see and have to fix.
Gentlemen, Ladies,
It's frustrating when you read something like this, and you have the same bike. Makes you wonder what you would do if your ignition switch failed. :blink:
Let me put my stick in the mud and try to stir up some clarity.
The author of the original post quoted above submitted it last April when Yamaha was still in a state of denial concerning this ignition switch issue. A lot has happened since then.
1. Several FJRForum members, myself included, have opened up our troubled ignition switches and have documented the various failures.
2. A significant number of owners have taken their bikes back to the dealers and forced the issue of ignition switch failure as being abnormal.
3. The NHTSA has opened an investigation concerning this very issue.
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=108887&view=findpost&p=473384Ignition Switch Failures
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=108887&view=findpost&p=473384
4. Yamaha had indeed replaced many out of warranty ignition switches - even paid to have some of them rekeyed at the owners insistance.
Let me make this very clear...
To induce an obvious act of vandalism to try to get the switch replaced is not the way to go about it.
Fast forward to now...
Yamaha does indeed know about the ignition switch issue. This FJRForum has taken care of that. I was at the bike show last weekend and had a discussion with one of their representatives at the Yamaha pavilion. I was there at the two FJRs on the floor talking to a very interested party, promoting our bikes. Needles to say I also promoted, as one of the benefits of owning an FJR, the excellent online user group - FJRForum. While we were talking about the bike I got the Yamaha man to unlock and remove the side bags to help show off the bike. This gentleman parted company with the intent of visiting his Yamaha dealer - real soon.
It turns out "Mr Yamaha" is an owner himself, in fact he is on his third FJR. Of all the bikes he has at his disposal - He chose the FJR. After the gentleman left, our discussion touched on the problems with the ignition switch. Right away I identified myself as the guy fabricating the Relay Harnesses. I asked him if he knew about the FJRFORUM and he said they were up to speed on our discussions. He acknowledged there is an issue... and the FJR forum helped bring it to their attention. He said Yamaha
is replacing switches out of warranty. The people in Japan are working on the problem. What Yamaha needs is the owners
with a known (ignition switch) problem bring their bikes in to their dealers to have it looked at. The dealers are instructed to look at the whole bike. What kind of extra electrical loads, if any, are added to it, how it is added, what kind of shape the harnesses, terminals, and connectors are in; and to assess the general condition of the bike.
He told me that Yamaha uses that switch on several different bikes but only the FJR is showing this fault. Yamaha needs raw data collected by their service people along with the switches. In order for the engineers to make a proper fix they have to be able to replicate the failure. The same process happened with the ECU recall. Yamaha started getting complaints from some of the owners about the bike not performing properly at higher elevations so
he was tasked with trying to replicate the problem. He and several technicians took FJRs out on the road and drove from sea level to several thousand feet with no performance issues. Yamaha still kept getting complaints. Finally after reading the posts here on the FJRForum, and evidently talking with some members, they found that some people were very conservative with their throttle hand. The original ECU takes an altitude sample when the bike is started and whenever the throttle is twisted past 1/4 turn. Some owners weren't "driving the bike" - they were starting off at low altitudes and putt putting up the hill never going beyond 1/4 throttle, and the ECU never took another sample. Once they realized their driving habits were different Yamaha was able to replicate the problem... Drive like an old man going up hill = bike runs like c**p at altitude. Yamaha took their findings and issued a recall.
In short his message is...
Help us out. Bring us your failing bike. Give us the opportunity to do a proper assessment of the bikes and we will find out the root cause and do the right thing for our loyal owners. He also said what doesn't help is some guy barging in to his yamaha dealer, dangling a dead Ignition switch by its butchered leads, and demanding it be replaced. Naturally that man will get the cold treatment he deserves - its just human nature.
Here are my thoughts about this subject...
Since dissecting my ignition switch and finding the heat related problem, I have come to the conclusion that there
is a problem with the second generation bike ignition switches. I think it is a marginal device, and when you increase the amperage running through it you increase the likelihood of a thermal runaway condition. I have only seen the dissected switches pictured here on the Forum, I've only pulled mine apart, but I am convinced that the thermal runaway is a major fault in the majority of the failures. As for the desoldering red or tan wires, I think heat generated from the high resistance softened the solder to a plastic state and the latent strain on the wire pulled it off the contact plate. I can't prove it - but it makes sense to me.
This is where Yamaha comes in, given enough raw data and failed switches I have confidence that the engineers at yamaha will be able to replicate the failure. Once that happens Yamaha will do as they have done in the past - issue a recall. Our job now is to give them the opportunity to gather that data.
If your bike is showing signs of ignition switch failure,
get it fixed! Take it to your dealer, go through the hassle to get a replacement. Yamaha will be that much closer to a solution.
Now, once it's fixed, a relay is the best way I know to keep that marginal switch from burning out again.
Mike (Patriot), I know how frustrated you can get reading these posts concerning this subject, just keep in mind the time line, and see the progress we
are making. The fix will come, in the mean time... go out and ride! Enjoy this fine bike that Yamaha has brought to market. If your concerned about your ignition switch, get a relay installed; I'll build you one, or you can build one yourself if you are so inclined. The good thing about this Forum is if there is a problem with your bike, we are here to help. If your bike is doing great, we are here to cheer you on.
Take care brother.
Brodie