FJRF003.1: Ignition Switch

[Niehart]

Thanks for the heads up guys. My local service tech is good and will have no problem doing the recall but that still will not get me to one key.

When the shop did the ignition switch months ago {Yamaha covered the costs}, Yamaha wanted the old set back. So all I have is the new ignition and the tumblers that are in it.

 

[jonny78]

Question for those in the knowAny reason they wouldn't let you have the lock cylinder and keys that come with the new switch after they swap in your original cylinder.

might come in handy down the road. for what I don't know just packrat mentality.

I just had my recall service done today. The shop said they had to send everything they didn't use (new keys, new tumbler, defective portion of switch) back to Yamaha.

Funny, I dropped it off this morning and asked, "I get the same keys back right?" Service tech said, "Yup, you get the same keys back."

When I picked it up, I was given two shiny new keys that did not work in my saddlebags. When I pitched a bitch, a different technician said that Yamaha didn't send them the screwdriver to separate the ignition switch assembly to enable use of the old key... and for me to bring the bike back in a week. Already livid at this point, I told him I had already wasted an entire day off and was not about to waste another complete day because he was unable to follow directions.

30 minutes later, I left with my bike, original keys, and properly installed switch.

 

[Brodie]

Thanks for the heads up guys. My local service tech is good and will have no problem doing the recall but that still will not get me to one key.
When the shop did the ignition switch months ago {Yamaha covered the costs}, Yamaha wanted the old set back. So all I have is the new ignition and the tumblers that are in it.

There are two ignition switches involved - the one currently on the bike, and the recall one. Between the two lock sets - both apart and in the hands of the Yamaha mechanic, there may be enough individual tumblers to satisfy the original key pattern. Because they are already apart it will only take a few moments to mix and match to see if it can work. Give them your original key and ask them to try.

Can't hurt... :yes:

Brodie

 

[Ignacio]

When I pitched a bitch, a different technician said that Yamaha didn't send them the screwdriver to separate the ignition switch assembly to enable use of the old key... and for me to bring the bike back in a week.

Gawd how I wish we could just post the frickin' bulletin so people can see exactly what they see. Gonna have to talk that one over with fellow admins and see if we want to rethink our policy of keeping cool with Yamaha and copyright law.......is letting a few dealers cause unnecessary angst for not reading directions.

Then again...I'll hazard a guess that this dealer was another one that hadn't done the procedure yet and is now up to speed of what they need to do.

Folks that haven't taken their bike in yet...make sure the dealer is following the bulletin before they touch your bike! As them if they've done it yet...and if not have them describe the procedure to you!

 

[Niehart]

Thanks Brodie

 

[jonny78]

Gawd how I wish we could just post the frickin' bulletin so people can see exactly what they see. Gonna have to talk that one over with fellow admins and see if we want to rethink our policy of keeping cool with Yamaha and copyright law.......is letting a few dealers cause unnecessary angst for not reading directions.
Then again...I'll hazard a guess that this dealer was another one that hadn't done the procedure yet and is now up to speed of what they need to do.

Folks that haven't taken their bike in yet...make sure the dealer is following the bulletin before they touch your bike! As them if they've done it yet...and if not have them describe the procedure to you!

I told him, "No... read the instructions. I'm not coming back. You're gonna take care of this now." The original tech that told me I'd have my original keys went back with them and talked out of earshot, came back with the instructions and said, "Ok, give me 30 mins. We'll take care of it. Sorry."

Another tech ended up doing it the job. I'm just glad I had you guys here, otherwise I would not have known. Major kudos to you fellas. Thanks.

 

[Fred W]

Thanks for the heads up guys. My local service tech is good and will have no problem doing the recall but that still will not get me to one key.
When the shop did the ignition switch months ago {Yamaha covered the costs}, Yamaha wanted the old set back. So all I have is the new ignition and the tumblers that are in it.

There are two ignition switches involved - the one currently on the bike, and the recall one. Between the two lock sets - both apart and in the hands of the Yamaha mechanic, there may be enough individual tumblers to satisfy the original key pattern. Because they are already apart it will only take a few moments to mix and match to see if it can work. Give them your original key and ask them to try.

Can't hurt... :yes:

Brodie

When they remove the lock cylinder from the electrical part of the switch, they do not have instructions that take apart the lock cylinder down to the tumbler. So, unless Niehart happens to have an "advanced" dealer service guy that is willing to experiment around with swapping the tumbler pins around to match the key, it's probably not gonna happen.

 

[Capt. Bob]

Gawd how I wish we could just post the frickin' bulletin so people can see exactly what they see. Gonna have to talk that one over with fellow admins and see if we want to rethink our policy of keeping cool with Yamaha and copyright law.......is letting a few dealers cause unnecessary angst for not reading directions.

Matt, can we post a link?

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

I'm still on the fence. No notice in the mail and no dealership anymore. I think I'll keep the older version of the switch with Brodie's Harness in place. I would like to have another on hand in case this fails but I doubt they'd give me a switch. Already ended up with one key (cut on one side for ignition and on the other for gas cap and side cases) but two different locks. Just not sure....

Well, here's the good thing. If you just hold off the recall will stay on the books. Then you can bring it in when it's convenient for you and they still have to do the job for free.

I'm leaning toward giving the scenario to the closest dealer to me and see if they'll just swap a new and improved switch for the old one on my workbench.... if not I'll probably do exactly as you suggest Fred. I just hate to worry when I'm in the middle of nowhere.... But I have copies of the thread on how to hotwire. I guess I'll bring that with me. And if it does fail I can have them swap the original tumbler onto the new switch and I'm good to go with one "true" key.

Any faulty logic there?

Nope. At least not that I can see. Anyone that has had a switch replaced previously, where they handed you new keys for the ignition got hosed by a dealer too lazy to swap the cylinders. The only reason you should have gotten a new key is if the tumbler part of the switch was the problem, ie something mechanical.

I think that anyone that has an original switch and "Brodie Bypass Relay" installed will likely never have another switch failure, at least not one due to overheating. No matter what they did to the switch to improve its contacts I would still think that a BBR (or some other means to get a good chunk of the current load off the switch) would be good insurance.

If you have swapped out your stock headlights for HIDs, (which are powered directly from the battery through their own relay), you may have already removed enough of the current from the switch (110Watts = ~8 amps) , but putting the BBR in eliminates all but a tiny trickle of current needed to operate the relay.

I was looking at the old switch today that was replaced and sitting on the workbench. I remember now making the choice to go with another tumbler as the little metal "doors" that cover the keyhole were no longer closing (stuck and cleaning did not close them; a locksmith told me the little protective doors were toast and replacing it was the only way out). So I may try to swap a new switch for the original now that I got my letter, and have it ready if the gen I switch with Brodie harness fails. I'll live with one key cut for two sets of locks (I don't find it inconvenient at all and I'm never selling this bike) and see what happens. My other option would be to have the fix done on the second switch installed last August and do the same one key cut for two locks setup -- just with the gen II switch and tumbler supplied.

EDIT: Just read Brodie's posts about swapping tumbler pins around and Iwill try, but I think FredWis right about the result of the request.

 

[Ignacio]

Gawd how I wish we could just post the frickin' bulletin so people can see exactly what they see. Gonna have to talk that one over with fellow admins and see if we want to rethink our policy of keeping cool with Yamaha and copyright law.......is letting a few dealers cause unnecessary angst for not reading directions.

Matt, can we post a link?

No. Not unless you see a change in forum policy.

However, if YOU want to go to Yamaha and get written permission from their lawyers to post it....go for it.

 

[Poudre Dude]

Got my switch done yesterday while I waited (not at the dealer where I bought the bike). One key. Helibars installed prior to new switch. Took 6 working days, from the time I called with the serial number, for the dealer to order the kit, receive it, and install it. Fort Collins, CO Motorsports. :good:

 

[Rob R]

Just contacted Stuart Yamaha, Fl. He said he will call me for install as soon as switches come in. He told me he ordered 15. The replacement will include full new switch includiing new keys. I always wanted dif. keys for bags so I didn't have to shut down to access the bags.

 

[PhilMills]

Got my switch done yesterday while I waited (not at the dealer where I bought the bike). One key. Helibars installed prior to new switch. Took 6 working days, from the time I called with the serial number, for the dealer to order the kit, receive it, and install it. Fort Collins, CO Motorsports. :good:

Good to know that my bike won't be the first that Fort Collins Motorsports has done. I haven't felt like entrusting it to them for anything service-y yet.

 

[ROBSMST]

I called on the 6th to make an appointment. I recieved the letter the 5th. They told me they had the parts and that they could take me on 9th but I had to wait until today the 12th. Dropped it off at GP Sports on Camden in San Jose at 9AM and they called at 11AM to tell me it was ready.

Those guys at GP have always been good with my bikes.

I'm assuming it is the same single key. Will find out today.

 

[Lee B.]

Got the recall notice last thursday. Got around to calling the local dealer in KC, MO to see about their procedure. I bought in Alabama, btw.

They said they had about 4 of the sets in, so I made an apt. They didn't need anything but my name.

when I got there (Tuesday afternoon, high 60s, sunny) I had the letter so they refered to that for the vin.

I told them I wouldn't be back until Thursday since I'd not be able to make it to their shop before closing on Wednesday due to work. We had a brief discussion and they confirmed that they had done one already and that I'd have the same key.

I don't know if they did the work Wednesday or today but they called me today so I went down after work (cloudy and low 50s). All the work was done fine, no visible issues. They said they had done 4 or 5 in total.

Seems like they had the sets ready to go and reserved one for my apt based on my phone conversation withthem.

I asked them if they punched the vin on the frame and they said no. They said they could but sometimes there are so many issues with a bike that the plate gets a lot of punches. Basically, they said it looked crappy to do that, Yamaha and their shop has the repair in the system.

Sound okay to you all?

 

[FJRriderNJ]

Gah...

OK... so I'm not only a newbie... I can't read!!

Thanks for the correction, Rich!

Hey Rich,
I'm in NJ as well... just wondering which dealer wouldn't order you the switch prior to you presenting the letter. I just got my letter yesterday. I've added MC Cruise's electronic cruise control to the bike, as well as a Garmin Zumo550, both wired directly to the battery with built-in in-line fuses. I hope this won't raise any eyebrows at the dealership relative to the recall. I've been thinking about adding a Centech AP-1 or AP-2 to make for cleaner, safer electrical connections. Does anyone on here have any experience with Centechs on the FJR?

Thanks everyone!

- Mike

that was the previous guy's post. My dealer had no problems ordering it without the letter.

 

[FJRriderNJ]

Does anyone on here have any experience with Centechs on the FJR?

Search welfare. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

v65,

Thanks for the link! Man, I'm showing my newbieness all over the place. Really appreciate the help!

- Mike

 

[Fred W]

Just contacted Stuart Yamaha, Fl. He said he will call me for install as soon as switches come in. He told me he ordered 15. The replacement will include full new switch includiing new keys. I always wanted dif. keys for bags so I didn't have to shut down to access the bags.

If that is what you want, then Yamaha can definitely do that. But just realize that you will have to ask them NOT to follow the explicit instructions that tell them to swap the lock cylinders so that you retain "single key" operation.

I cannot believe that so many dealerships are telling people they will have 2 keys after the recall.

Do they not read their own safety recall documentation?

I just did.

(hint, hint) I can be emailed from within my Profile. No PMs please

 

[v65]

Just contacted Stuart Yamaha, Fl. He said he will call me for install as soon as switches come in. He told me he ordered 15. The replacement will include full new switch includiing new keys. I always wanted dif. keys for bags so I didn't have to shut down to access the bags.

So why not just carry two sets of the same key instead of two different keys, and make the dealer do it right?

 

[MojaveFJR]

Just contacted Stuart Yamaha, Fl. He said he will call me for install as soon as switches come in. He told me he ordered 15. The replacement will include full new switch includiing new keys. I always wanted dif. keys for bags so I didn't have to shut down to access the bags.

If that is what you want, then Yamaha can definitely do that. But just realize that you will have to ask them NOT to follow the explicit instructions that tell them to swap the lock cylinders so that you retain "single key" operation.

I cannot believe that so many dealerships are telling people they will have 2 keys after the recall.

Do they not read their own safety recall documentation?

I just did.

(hint, hint) I can be emailed from within my Profile. No PMs please

Yeah I saw that, "WHAT WILL THE YAMAHA DEALER WILL DO" second sentence. Make them do it right.