Gun control

[radman]

New source for video this thread started out to be about.

Denny shoots again

 

[Slappy]

Use anything from a .38 and above. Sight Alignment, Sight Picture, controlled squeeze and triple tap, two to the chest and one to the head. If its a single threat repeat until empty. Why triple tap? The first shot will stun making their aim inaccurate if they have a vest on, the second will wind so they cannot return fire the third will remove any witness at your trial. If you are pulling a gun on anyone your life is in danger. There is no shoot to wound. Finish the job or dont pull it in the first place.

 

[Neil San Diego]

Overpenetration is more of a function of the bullet construction that of the caliber or cartridge. FMJ of any caliber has a very good chance of going completely thru the target, or several walls. Hollow point bullets have much less chance of over-penetrating. 9mm hollow points are plenty good at stopping a threat as long as you can keep the shots on "center mass".

But everyone knows that .45 is best... B)

 

[Slappy]

While true that bullet design does make a significant difference in the effectivness of a bullet, volocity also effects it. Even a hollow point, if traveling to fast will simply splinter in to very small fragments. Even small fragments cause trauma but usually not as lethal as a large object pushing through taking flesh and organs with it. 10mm hollowpoint is a perfect example. At close range bone will cause the bullet to shatter where as a .40, though the same diameter having a lower volocity with simply deform but hold together.

 

[TriggerT]

This has turned into what we used to call "Coffee House Kung-Fu."

Basically a yeah but season, and if, then, I would, maybe.

 

[HotRodZilla]

While true that bullet design does make a significant difference in the effectivness of a bullet, volocity also effects it. Even a hollow point, if traveling to fast will simply splinter in to very small fragments. Even small fragments cause trauma but usually not as lethal as a large object pushing through taking flesh and organs with it. 10mm hollowpoint is a perfect example. At close range bone will cause the bullet to shatter where as a .40, though the same diameter having a lower volocity with simply deform but hold together.

That's not necessarily true. Just because one 10mm bullet will frag does not mean another from a different manufacturer or even a different lot will. In pistols, velocity difference is not really so huge that it causes these types of issues. I have seen two different people shot in the head with a .40 and the bullet ricoched off of each one and only wounded. One was from under water which probably led to external ballistics issues, and the other was a forehead shot, but those bullets were later recalled due to some type of bad jacket bonding process. That does not mean all people shot in the head with a .40 will live or that the bullet is inneffective.

My .223 will beg to differ with you on the 'small fragments causing trauma but not being lethal' argument. I'd rather take a .45 to a body part before a .223 to that same part. If you think I am wrong, shoot a gallon water jug with any pistol you want and watch the effect. Then shoot another full jug with a rifle bullet and observe the difference. Same as always; lethality is dependent on PLACEMENT.

If you want to defend your house and want to reduce ricochets but still stop intruders, invest in a pump action shotgun. Almost any guage will do if you run dove loads or even bird-shot in it. Just the sound of a round being racked into the chamber is enough to stop most people, but if not, close up, pellets are lethal and at distance the noise and wounding factor will get the point across.

Lastly, it is probably never a good idea to share your plan for killing someone, in your house, on a PUBLIC internet forum. If you ever have to resort to lethal force and someone finds out about your "plan" the word "premeditated" will become a big part of both the civil and criminal trial.

WOW...This really has gotten way off topic.

 

[Harald]

One of the reason that the .357 magnum is so deadly is the relatively high velocity of the bullets. Higher velocity imparts more shock when the bullet enter and violently expands. Coincidentaly, I have a new photo that graphically demonstrates the effect of high velocity bullet shock effect. This is the deer that my buddy shot in the head last week with a standard 30-06 hunting round. Eyeballs don't normally bulge out like that and no, there was no photoshopping involved.