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For those who may not know, Dave has had to go through some disc modification. His disc/nerve problem got to the point where he couldn't ride his FJR because he didn't trust himself to hold it upright when stopped.

The adventure included changing medical insurance providers, etc., but now all is well. At his request, below is a transcript of his email as he is still recovering from the meds and can't concentrate or focus long enough to communicate with everyone.

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Hey folks,

I'm back from the operation and thought I'd relay the experience to everyone. That way everyone knows the story all at once and there's no misconceptions on how it went down. I'm at home resting, all systems functioning fine , but aching like hell.

The staff at Stanford were great, everyone seems to have there act together and is dedicated to their career and the patients well being.. Way more so than Kaiser where everyone by comparison seems to be just doing their job till the five o'clock bell rings.

The operation on Wednesday went off without a hitch, right on schedule and I came to in the post op-recovery room, toes wiggling, ankles moving ok, everything's cool ! The sciatic cramp / charley horse I'd had for the last year and a half in my hip was gone, no more foot / ankle pain either. After three or so hours in post op I was moved upstairs to another recovery area.

They inadvertently tried to bunk me in a room with a female patient, but the orderly said they had a law against pairing the roosters with the hens, so the only other room available was a private room, so off I

went. It'd later prove to be a stroke of luck.

After another hour things started to go downhill in a hurry. My back started having uncontrollable back spasms, so intense and long lasting , Stanford had never witnessed this in all the years of experience with back surgery. For over five solid non stop hours my back spasmed every 15 seconds. It felt like a combination of some thing you seen in the movies, sort of a scene from the Exorcist where I held on the bed rails and my body was arched up off the bed, and being zapped by thousands of volts of electricity at

the same time, like some kind of prisoner of war. It was utter and pure hell for hours. I could feel my heart pumping and pumping , increasing the pressure in the lower back till I screamed in agony.again and again... no way to hold it back. Completely unstoppable. All the time my teeth were clenched tight, I could not speak for hours , if I tried, a spasm attacked immediately, same thing if I released the death like grip I had on the bed rails.

Over and over again through this I kept thinking, I'm going to be crippled, my heart will not take this obscene pressure, (it felt like it was trying to rip itself out my body ), or my brain's going to implode, how much longer can I last, I going to beat you s.o.b. As every spasm climaxed, my mind, at least for the first four hours was trying to counter act the pain, felt my mind screaming inside my brain "bring it on you m.f. is this all you got .. I'll beat you're a.. no matter what. I'm not going any bloody where".

The fifth hour started to wear on me, after screaming blood curling screams at least 720 times by now I started to doubt my lasting ability, things started to change from " bring it on " to " take me and ease my pain", but instantly when I thought this I'd hear Diane weeping, pleading to stay with her, or it would be my daughter Nicole shrieking uncontrollably at the end of the bed calling my name, or Ian telling me to keep breathing Dad, hang in there fight this ". It was almost a telepathic communication, as soon as

I had a negative thought, one of their voices came through the mayhem clear as a bell, giving me strength to continue. I'm convinced I owe them my life.

Stanford was hard at work trying to control something they'd never experienced before , pumping me full of meds, Vicadon, Valium, Morphine and God knows what else. They even dragged me back downstairs for a new MRI to see if blood clots were forming in the area. An MRI in a tunnel and spasms..Pure bloody hell !

Part of the problem for the lack of response to the meds is perhaps I had built up a high tolerance for the Vicodin and painkillers as I used it for months previously to gain four hours sleep a night. Ian has said they

finally administered, through my IV, a large enough dose of liquid Valium to kill a person and that eventually knocked me out. I felt the darkness sweeping over me but didn't know if that was a good thing or permanent

thing.

I awoke next morning spasm free, toe & legs working, happy to be alive is an understatement !! All my vitals worked great all day and release papers were drawn up, all the monitor stuff disconnected and curbside wheel chair was on its way up, when something didn't feel right again. They kept asking what was wrong .. All I knew was something wasn't right, Everything was hooked back up and my lungs were working at ¼ of capacity, not enough oxygen was getting to the brain ..So another night in the hospital, and force fed oxygen to make it all balance out. Next day all vitals checked out and I was released on Friday.

Now normally in the past I would never have posted this, as I consider my family life is private from all other aspects of life, but this had such a profound effect I had to share and bare my soul.

The first thing I need to stress is the communication with some one in pain, either in or out of a hospital setting, stroking their hand , caressing their brow, doesn't mean crap to someone in pain. You could be stabbing them with barbed wire and it won't override the pain they're experiencing. Only strong voices will penetrate the force field of pain.

So excuse my drug induced rambling, spelling , disjointed thoughts, I'm alive, It's a new day and I love ya'll.

Dave

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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Welcome back to the land of the physically able, Dave. I can't wait until you've fully recovered and I can ride our favorite routes with you and Di.

Does this mean Yo-Yo-Yosemite is on for this year? :yahoo:

 
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MM2 -

This is for highlander -

Highlander - we're pulling for you, and you are in our prayers.

You are obviously loved by those who know you, and from this you draw strength. I'm sorry you've had to go through a crappy experience like this.

I look forward to riding with you soon.

Fight the Good Fight.

Hal

 
Dave,

Disjointed thoughts? Hell, that was the most riveting story I've read in decades! I am so glad you are on the mend and am so sorry you had to suffer so acutely after such a long wait for this. Our hopes and prayers are with you and we look forward to hearing more from you! I am glad you shared with us. Thank you.

All the best,

Andrew & Sherri

 
Makes my occasion back flare-ups seem like a blessing! Hope your recovery goes smoothly!

 
Get well, buddy! We all wanna chase your sorry arse over the humpty-humps that make up that wicked part of Hwy 120!

 
My back started having uncontrollable back spasms, so intense and long lasting , Stanford had never witnessed this in all the years of experience with back surgery. For over five solid non stop hours my back spasmed every 15 seconds. It felt like a combination of some thing you seen in the movies, sort of a scene from the Exorcist where I held on the bed rails and my body was arched up off the bed, and being zapped by thousands of volts of electricity at the same time, like some kind of prisoner of war. It was utter and pure hell for hours. I could feel my heart pumping and pumping , increasing the pressure in the lower back till I screamed in agony.again and again... no way to hold it back. Completely unstoppable. All the time my teeth were clenched tight, I could not speak for hours , if I tried, a spasm attacked immediately, same thing if I released the death like grip I had on the bed rails.
Been there done that. 16 years old, woke up with a sore neck. After my shower (I had shoulder-length hair), I made the mistake of shaking the water out like a dog (like I always did). That's when the first spasm hit my neck. That was about 9:00 am, and they continued until after 7:00 pm that evening. I had a ticket to see the Edgar Winter Group that night, not a chance.
Dave, trust me when I say I feel for you.

...things started to change from " bring it on " to " take me and ease my pain", but instantly when I thought this I'd hear Diane weeping, pleading to stay with her, or it would be my daughter Nicole shrieking uncontrollably at the end of the bed calling my name, or Ian telling me to keep breathing Dad, hang in there fight this ". It was almost a telepathic communication, as soon as I had a negative thought, one of their voices came through the mayhem clear as a bell, giving me strength to continue. I'm convinced I owe them my life.
I had some rather interesting experiences to myself while I was unconcious to the world for four hours after the bee sting incident. Very similar to what you describe.Our minds are miraculously complex, and many times astounding in their contributions to our lives.

I'm sorry you had to go through all that, but it sounds like you've gained some perspective that others can only wonder about. Might have been worth the price of admission, eh?

Here's to a strong recovery and we're looking forward to seeing you both real soon.

 
The fifth hour started to wear on me, after screaming blood curling screams at least 720 times by now I started to doubt my lasting ability, things started to change from " bring it on " to " take me and ease my pain", but instantly when I thought this I'd hear Diane weeping, pleading to stay with her, or it would be my daughter Nicole shrieking uncontrollably at the end of the bed calling my name, or Ian telling me to keep breathing Dad, hang in there fight this ". It was almost a telepathic communication, as soon as I had a negative thought, one of their voices came through the mayhem clear as a bell, giving me strength to continue. I'm convinced I owe them my life.
Now that is some scary ****. Dave, get well soon dude. I thought I'd been through some, uhh, stuff, but nothing can even compare.. Be strong..

 
Yikes, Dave. THAT sounds a lot more harrowing than it should have been. Glad the spasms are gone, that you're recovering and we're all looking forward to having you back in teh saddle again soon.

 
@ Dave

-you're so right about the pain situation...I certainly won't insult you by saying 'I feel your pain' <_< ; from your excellent description I'm sure few could imagine such...but I can understand it; I went through a laminectomy myself years ago, but it was several mos. in the making what with the insurance cos. thinking physical therapy and eye-of-newt could fix what was a mechanical problem. I'm pain free 99% of the time now and consider myself very lucky...good luck to you with the followups, phys. therapy, etc. etc. Look forward to the times when you suddenly realize 'hey, I'm not hurting...I was always hurting before!' :)

Regards

 
Yikes! I hope the corners turned on your recovery. Hell you need a strong back to play with your driveway. Hope your up and around soon. TJ

 
Wow Dave, glad your doing better. That sound alot worse than the time I got my testicles caught in my bicycle chain... :dribble: Smitty

 
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Man what a story. I almost broke out in a cold sweat just reading what you went through. It does sound like you are on your way. Best of luck to a long and pain free future, You have sure paid your dues.

Chester

 
For those who may not know, Dave has had to go through some disc modification. His disc/nerve problem got to the point where he couldn't ride his FJR because he didn't trust himself to hold it upright when stopped.The adventure included changing medical insurance providers, etc., but now all is well. At his request, below is a transcript of his email as he is still recovering from the meds and can't concentrate or focus long enough to communicate with everyone.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey folks,

I'm back from the operation and thought I'd relay the experience to everyone. That way everyone knows the story all at once and there's no misconceptions on how it went down. I'm at home resting, all systems functioning fine , but aching like hell.

The staff at Stanford were great, everyone seems to have there act together and is dedicated to their career and the patients well being.. Way more so than Kaiser where everyone by comparison seems to be just doing their job till the five o'clock bell rings.

The operation on Wednesday went off without a hitch, right on schedule and I came to in the post op-recovery room, toes wiggling, ankles moving ok, everything's cool ! The sciatic cramp / charley horse I'd had for the last year and a half in my hip was gone, no more foot / ankle pain either. After three or so hours in post op I was moved upstairs to another recovery area.

They inadvertently tried to bunk me in a room with a female patient, but the orderly said they had a law against pairing the roosters with the hens, so the only other room available was a private room, so off I

went. It'd later prove to be a stroke of luck.

After another hour things started to go downhill in a hurry. My back started having uncontrollable back spasms, so intense and long lasting , Stanford had never witnessed this in all the years of experience with back surgery. For over five solid non stop hours my back spasmed every 15 seconds. It felt like a combination of some thing you seen in the movies, sort of a scene from the Exorcist where I held on the bed rails and my body was arched up off the bed, and being zapped by thousands of volts of electricity at

the same time, like some kind of prisoner of war. It was utter and pure hell for hours. I could feel my heart pumping and pumping , increasing the pressure in the lower back till I screamed in agony.again and again... no way to hold it back. Completely unstoppable. All the time my teeth were clenched tight, I could not speak for hours , if I tried, a spasm attacked immediately, same thing if I released the death like grip I had on the bed rails.

Over and over again through this I kept thinking, I'm going to be crippled, my heart will not take this obscene pressure, (it felt like it was trying to rip itself out my body ), or my brain's going to implode, how much longer can I last, I going to beat you s.o.b. As every spasm climaxed, my mind, at least for the first four hours was trying to counter act the pain, felt my mind screaming inside my brain "bring it on you m.f. is this all you got .. I'll beat you're a.. no matter what. I'm not going any bloody where".

The fifth hour started to wear on me, after screaming blood curling screams at least 720 times by now I started to doubt my lasting ability, things started to change from " bring it on " to " take me and ease my pain", but instantly when I thought this I'd hear Diane weeping, pleading to stay with her, or it would be my daughter Nicole shrieking uncontrollably at the end of the bed calling my name, or Ian telling me to keep breathing Dad, hang in there fight this ". It was almost a telepathic communication, as soon as

I had a negative thought, one of their voices came through the mayhem clear as a bell, giving me strength to continue. I'm convinced I owe them my life.

Stanford was hard at work trying to control something they'd never experienced before , pumping me full of meds, Vicadon, Valium, Morphine and God knows what else. They even dragged me back downstairs for a new MRI to see if blood clots were forming in the area. An MRI in a tunnel and spasms..Pure bloody hell !

Part of the problem for the lack of response to the meds is perhaps I had built up a high tolerance for the Vicodin and painkillers as I used it for months previously to gain four hours sleep a night. Ian has said they

finally administered, through my IV, a large enough dose of liquid Valium to kill a person and that eventually knocked me out. I felt the darkness sweeping over me but didn't know if that was a good thing or permanent

thing.

I awoke next morning spasm free, toe & legs working, happy to be alive is an understatement !! All my vitals worked great all day and release papers were drawn up, all the monitor stuff disconnected and curbside wheel chair was on its way up, when something didn't feel right again. They kept asking what was wrong .. All I knew was something wasn't right, Everything was hooked back up and my lungs were working at ¼ of capacity, not enough oxygen was getting to the brain ..So another night in the hospital, and force fed oxygen to make it all balance out. Next day all vitals checked out and I was released on Friday.

Now normally in the past I would never have posted this, as I consider my family life is private from all other aspects of life, but this had such a profound effect I had to share and bare my soul.

The first thing I need to stress is the communication with some one in pain, either in or out of a hospital setting, stroking their hand , caressing their brow, doesn't mean crap to someone in pain. You could be stabbing them with barbed wire and it won't override the pain they're experiencing. Only strong voices will penetrate the force field of pain.

So excuse my drug induced rambling, spelling , disjointed thoughts, I'm alive, It's a new day and I love ya'll.

Dave

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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Welcome back to the land of the physically able, Dave. I can't wait until you've fully recovered and I can ride our favorite routes with you and Di.

Does this mean Yo-Yo-Yosemite is on for this year? :yahoo:
MM2, please pass along to Dave that I wish him a speedy and no more pain than he experienced and that we all are wanting him to get well, patiently and ride with us at the appropriate time. He is on my prayer list, please let him know. Thanks

 
Wow Dave, hope the road to recovery is a speedy one and hope to ride with you soon. Anyone who has experienced pain as you described it is really hard to put in words for others to understand. While I cannot compare my situation with yours I live in chronic pain due to the type of arthritis I have and the meds I take daily allows me to function to do those things I have to do and the good Lord will never allow more than we can take so we can take comfort in that. We will keep you in our prayers and hope to see you up and going again. Blessings to you and your family, Painman. <>< ;)

 
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