Holeshot Fun

[benneyb]

Rad,

I feel your pain, and I know waiting for Dale to return is the last thing on your Wish List right now.

I do have to say I about p*ssed myself reading that Roseanne comment! :rolf:

And hey, no more of these: :drag: Its not worth it. This shit will get worked out.

 

[BobbyBlue]

Hi Rad,

I second everyones opinion...xcept...SMOKE YER ASS OFF DUUUDE !!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN !!!!!! DONT BE SELFISH !!! DO IT FOR US !!!!! DRAG DEEEEEP...MAKE IT LAST !!!!!! CHAIN SMOKE...JUST A COUPLE...PULEEEEEEZZZE!!!!!.... shit...they've seen me...i ahve to run... they ,,lo;tijknbvm98-bre0ajvmzidljs Bzweuidn...........

ps.Dale make it right

Bobby

 

[Spinner]

So now I'm faced with a choice. The OE muffs might slip on minus the oe seals, maybe why the Permatex sealer is in the ad for Holeshots. I can slot the header so the D&D pipes will slip in. This of course means any problems are mine from here on in, which they probably are anyway. I can try and shrink the HS header outlet, and stretch the D&D pipe so the D&D's fit over. This really sucks.......... <_<

Me personally, I'd be inclinded to send the Walkers back and tell him to see if they fit where the sun doesn't shine. Another option would be to buy Walker cans and sell your DD's on this site. At least that way you would (hopefully) have a proper fit.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Rad, this makes no sense at all. If the holeshot slip-ons were made to fit over an oem headpipe, and the new holeshot header is supposed to work with the previous holeshot slip-ons, and the D&D slip-ons were also made to work with the oem headpipe, everything should fit WITHOUT having to cobble anything. If it doesn't (and I trust you on this) then something is VERY wrong and I wouldn't go modifying anything until speaking with Dale. If you really feel that inclined to modify something and make this work as is, then take the D&Ds to your local muffler shop, have them expand the inlets out until they slip over the header (about 20 seconds worth of work), slip the guy 5 bucks and move on. When assembling an exhaust, the front section should always slip into the rear section for smoother flow. Personally, I wouldn't modify anything...I'd wait and let Dale fix his mistake.

So much for that whole 'hand made dedicated craftsman' thing.

 

[radman]

Rad, this makes no sense at all.  If the holeshot slip-ons were made to fit over an oem headpipe, and the new holeshot header is supposed to work with the previous holeshot slip-ons, and the D&D slip-ons were also made to work with the oem headpipe, everything should fit WITHOUT having to cobble anything.  If it doesn't (and I trust you on this) then something is VERY wrong and I wouldn't go modifying anything until speaking with Dale.  If you really feel that inclined to modify something and make this work as is, then take the D&Ds to your local muffler shop, have them expand the inlets out until they slip over the header (about 20 seconds worth of work), slip the guy 5 bucks and move on.  When assembling an exhaust, the front section should always slip into the rear section for smoother flow.  Personally, I wouldn't modify anything...I'd wait and let Dale fix his mistake.
So much for that whole 'hand made dedicated craftsman' thing.

The D&D mid pipes are chrome plated mild steel. They aren't gonna take to major expansion (and that's what it would take-as it is they just slip inside the header outlet) kindly. Iam stuck now waiting to hear from Dale. Spinners option might work-but forthe fact that I would think any pipe is gonna be a bitch. I pulled the thick factory seals off the oe muffs, and with some hammering and vocal persuasion they will go on eventually-which means the header outlet is about as close to the max workable diameter possible. It shouldn't be this damn tough to slam pipes on this critter..........

Add to all this the space bar is failingonmycompute r. Oh woe i sme!!!!!!

 

[radman]

Specs

Header outlet od 1 31/32"

id 1 21/32"

D&D inlet pipe od 1 21/32"

id 1 17/32" (keep in mind pipe has 4 slots for slip fitting, and has been compressed somewhat in attempt to fit inside HS header)

OE Header od 1 18/32"

I think I see the problem here.............

 

[nusman68]

Hey Rad, I remembered this from the 'parts & accessories' page from DW:

Here is the low down on the parts
The header coating comes with a 18 month anti rust warranty , but you must purchase the front fender extender , or have one on your bike now, and purchase my polish for me to honor this.

Part # FJR-HCP...Complete system with polished mufflers ...$ 989.00

Part # FJR-HCB...Complete system with satin black cannister shells $ 989.00

Part # FJR-HSO... Front header only to customer that bought Holeshot slip-ons from me..$ 399.00

Part # FJR-H... Front header only to run with brand X slip-ons or stock header..$439.00

That part# FJR-H -- "to run with brand X slip ons" is that to mean that we have to have that particular header to install non-HS cans on it, as in your case? In other words, is there a true difference in specs (measurements) there, or is it just a price difference (more) because he is not giving a price break since that person didn't purchase HS cans before? Inquiring minds want to know...Oh, and by the way, I sympathize with your frustration...I can tell you plenty of war stories about "bolts right on!" Yeah, right....which is why we all have Dremels, grinders, hammers.... <_<

 

[radman]

Hey Rad, I remembered this from the 'parts & accessories' page from DW:

Here is the low down on the parts
The header coating comes with a 18 month anti rust warranty , but you must purchase the front fender extender , or have one on your bike now, and purchase my polish for me to honor this.

Part # FJR-HCP...Complete system with polished mufflers ...$ 989.00

Part # FJR-HCB...Complete system with satin black cannister shells $ 989.00

Part # FJR-HSO... Front header only to customer that bought Holeshot slip-ons from me..$ 399.00

Part # FJR-H... Front header only to run with brand X slip-ons or stock header..$439.00

That part# FJR-H -- "to run with brand X slip ons" is that to mean that we have to have that particular header to install non-HS cans on it, as in your case? In other words, is there a true difference in specs (measurements) there, or is it just a price difference (more) because he is not giving a price break since that person didn't purchase HS cans before? Inquiring minds want to know...Oh, and by the way, I sympathize with your frustration...I can tell you plenty of war stories about "bolts right on!" Yeah, right....which is why we all have Dremels, grinders, hammers.... <_<

It's a price break to reward earlier Holeshot customers, totally cool with that. It'sjust I didn't have $600 plus for muffs when I got my D&D's. I also think that there is gonna be a fit problem regardless of the brand of slip ons . The D&D pipe fits very sweetly on the oe header, like it was made to fit (oh wait, it was!). Look at the dimensions I posted up there somewhere. Ain't happenin dudes and dudettes.

 

[trimmantom]

send the shit back and end your aggravation before you have any more attacks.

 

[skyway]

This may be a long long shot, but DW may have shipped you the wrong header? It just doesn't make sense that his header will not fit your D&D cans, but the D&D's fit the OEM header?

I would not be grinding/fitting shit to that header/or pipes to make it fit on my bike. Request a call tag and ditch that bitch.

 

[radman]

This may be a long long shot, but DW may have shipped you the wrong header? It just doesn't make sense that his header will not fit your D&D cans, but the D&D's fit the OEM header?
I would not be grinding/fitting shit to that header/or pipes to make it fit on my bike. Request a call tag and ditch that bitch.

It fits the engine (one would think the most difficult part of the install) perfectly. It's the right unit, just needs some fine tuning on the ass end.

 

[zorkler]

hay radman thats for posting us your problem , in turn this will stop some of us from buying the pipe from dale until this is cleared up . thanks again . ......... also that was one of my questions in the other post about his product .. will it fit the blue flames >.......... we will see

 

[radman]

Well, check the edited specs up farther-I mean there's no challenging the actual measurements-it just ain't gonna work as advertised.

 

[skyway]

This may be a long long shot, but DW may have shipped you the wrong header?  It just doesn't make sense that his header will not fit your D&D cans, but the D&D's fit the OEM header?
I would not be grinding/fitting shit to that header/or pipes to make it fit on my bike.  Request a call tag and ditch that bitch.

It fits the engine (one would think the most difficult part of the install) perfectly. It's the right unit, just needs some fine tuning on the ass end.

Well if this is true and you noted that your D&D's have plating on them and you go and get them expanded slightly..... Maybe not right away, but them pipes will turn to into a visual turd where you mod them.

I'm gonna have to shorten the D&D pipe on the header end sightly, eliminate it's slots, grind off the chrome, and slot the HS rendering it impossible for the oe to fit. I can install one or the other, but never both it appears.

If this is what it's gonna take to fit the DW header and D&D cans, I would back up and go the route of the OEM cat extract before destroying 3 nice pieces.

 

[radman]

Ok. Pics.

Note the fit on the oe header, went on with gentle persuasion, perfect slip fit.

Same pipe inside the HS header. note the hotshit Wilbers shock waitin' on some motor noise.

 

[BrunDog]

Finally, some photos!!

Rad, anyway you can upsize those? Set them at 800 x 600 resolution.

-BD

 

[radman]

I'm working on it. The above were the result of a quick slam pic processing.

 

[radman]

Well. Again. 2 emails sent DW's way, as well as this thread, and no response as of yet. . I realize this is but one sale, one individual, one situation. But, on this end, it's my situation, and so I have more than a little interest in the outcome. I sent, first thing this AM, an email Dales way once again detailing the difficulties I'm running into, and suggesting I may have to sell the D&D's and purchase his full system to replace them. I also asked if he might see his way to a price break because of the situation being what it is.

And to top it off, I called a Geico agent and he can't save me a goddamn cent on my car insurance.

 

[twowheelnut]

Posted 2/14:

If I made the pipe with these they would be neatly weld bugs in each tube.
But way over kill for this application like i said, if you want to intsall them go to it guys.

If you have to tweak my map a little it wont because of the each cylinder issue.

I wanted to let you all know that i have to close down due to a family emergency and should be re open next Tuesday

Thank you all very much

Ride safe

Dale

 

[radman]

Posted 2/14:

If I made the pipe with these they would be neatly weld bugs in each tube.
But way over kill for this application like i said, if you want to intsall them go to it guys.

If you have to tweak my map a little it wont because of the each cylinder issue.

I wanted to let you all know that i have to close down due to a family emergency and should be re open next Tuesday

Thank you all very much

Ride safe

Dale

Ah, Tuesday. I hadn't seen (or forgot, or something) that part. Thought he would be open for biz today. Thx T.