Ignition fix

[Krell]

I'd sure love one of those as well. Please put me down for one if you've still got some left. Now I just need to figure out the paypal thing.

I'm a newbie so I may be a little slow as to how the forum works. If you would n't mind sending me a PM with the details you need, that would be great. In the mean time I will go figure out how to make a payment with PayPal.

 

[palerider]

The reason people are paranoid about these failing is because a number of them have experienced this problem with the switch.
Hey, ignition switches don't fail often (on other bikes) either. But when it does fail, or if the Brodie relay failed, unlike any of the other relays or switches on the motorcycle, you are up shits creek without a paddle. You either start jury-rigging (if you know how) or you start walking.

Any time you make modifications to the electrical system, even one as well thought out as the Brodie Bypass Relay, that mod is far more apt to fail than the original circuit that went through full design validation and verification. And yet the stock switches are failing. So is it really all that foolish to have a plan in place to back out the modification?

As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

If you're going to set up a bypass to the Brodie, what happens if the bypass fails? Maybe you should carry a spare bypass? Or to save you having to make a repair on the road, maybe set up both a bypass and a bypass bypass so that if the bypass fails, the bypass bypass can bypass the bypass?

My point is simply that, having the ignition problem excellently solved by the Brodie harness, it becomes a little silly to now start talking about a "what-if" scenario positing that Brodie's well-designed and crafted fix might theoretically and conceivably itself need a fix. Sort of like discussing how many angels can fit on the end of the bypass. Anything on the bike might catastrophically fail at any given moment. How many spares for how many parts you going to carry? You have a Centech or other fuse-block? If it fails, as is theoretically possible, you will be stranded. You going to carry a spare fuse-block?

 

[FJRBill]

Please add me to the list Brodie. I just recieved my recall on my '08 for ignition switch overheating due to electircal resistance.

 

[scootman286]

Brodie...you da' man!!!!!!!!!!!

Just built and installed your modification. Your instructions were absolutely spot on. Easy to follow and articulate. This is a no brainer mod.... The law of electricity rules, allowing the key to ONLY excite the relay will clearly remove any overheating problems that might be going on in the switch. The relay runs on mamps, so the switch will not get hot at all.

I too got my recall and am a little crossed because I do wan to do the re-solder on the ignition (and will) so I will have to wait until I get that done.

Palerider.....if Brodie's mod fails, you can simply remove it and plug the stock ends back together....

From an electrical standpoint, this is the way to go...Back to stock and why they did it, we cannot rule out cost. The cost is ALWAYS a factor but 'where' is often hidden. Having the 'load' off the ignition switch is kinda standard on most engines, anybody from the car world is surprised when I tell them ALL the current goes through the ignition itself rather than a relay.

THANK YOU BRODIE......YOU DONE GOOD.......

Has anybody taken their bike in with the Brodie mod in place? I was wondering if I should remove it before I take it in. Warranty and all that rot, ya know!

 

[palerider]

Has anybody taken their bike in with the Brodie mod in place? I was wondering if I should remove it before I take it in. Warranty and all that rot, ya know!

I haven't gone in for the new switch yet, but I asked my favorite mechanic (who reads this board) if he minded installing the Brodie harness at the same time he was replacing the recalled switch, and he said he doesn't care.

 

[scootman286]

Has anybody taken their bike in with the Brodie mod in place? I was wondering if I should remove it before I take it in. Warranty and all that rot, ya know!

I haven't gone in for the new switch yet, but I asked my favorite mechanic (who reads this board) if he minded installing the Brodie harness at the same time he was replacing the recalled switch, and he said he doesn't care.

Very good, I will probably leave mine in when I take the bike in for the recall.

Thanks....

 

[Brodie]

Hey scootman

I just noticed the city where you live in your sidebar - Milpitas!

Were neighbors buddy,

we just
got
to get together.
:drinks:
Perhaps you can join up with Brian (FJRONAMISSION) and me on a ride sometime. :fans:

Brodie

 

[scootman286]

Hey scootman
I just noticed the city where you live in your sidebar - Milpitas!

Were neighbors buddy,

we just
got
to get together.
:drinks:
Perhaps you can join up with Brian (FJRONAMISSION) and me on a ride sometime. :fans:

Brodie

Whoa, I would definitely be up for getting together, then I could thank you in person for the relay design.

When, where will the next ride be, I am in. It would be nice to see other FJR's.

 

[Polarize]

Rec'd the relay today - quality work! Thanks again for the efforts. The tootisie rolls were a nice touch.

 

[FJRONAMISSION]

Hey scootman
I just noticed the city where you live in your sidebar - Milpitas!

Were neighbors buddy,

we just
got
to get together.
:drinks:
Perhaps you can join up with Brian (FJRONAMISSION) and me on a ride sometime. :fans:

Brodie

======

Sounds like a plan........ lets stalk um till he says yes......... ;>

B.

 

[HDtoFJR]

Brodie,

Thanks for engineering something the factory should have.

I would also like to be included in your next shipment. Let me know how.

Jeff

 

[08FJR4ME]

The reason people are paranoid about these failing is because a number of them have experienced this problem with the switch.
Hey, ignition switches don't fail often (on other bikes) either. But when it does fail, or if the Brodie relay failed, unlike any of the other relays or switches on the motorcycle, you are up shits creek without a paddle. You either start jury-rigging (if you know how) or you start walking.

Any time you make modifications to the electrical system, even one as well thought out as the Brodie Bypass Relay, that mod is far more apt to fail than the original circuit that went through full design validation and verification. And yet the stock switches are failing. So is it really all that foolish to have a plan in place to back out the modification?

As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

If you're going to set up a bypass to the Brodie, what happens if the bypass fails? Maybe you should carry a spare bypass? Or to save you having to make a repair on the road, maybe set up both a bypass and a bypass bypass so that if the bypass fails, the bypass bypass can bypass the bypass?

My point is simply that, having the ignition problem excellently solved by the Brodie harness, it becomes a little silly to now start talking about a "what-if" scenario positing that Brodie's well-designed and crafted fix might theoretically and conceivably itself need a fix. Sort of like discussing how many angels can fit on the end of the bypass. Anything on the bike might catastrophically fail at any given moment. How many spares for how many parts you going to carry? You have a Centech or other fuse-block? If it fails, as is theoretically possible, you will be stranded. You going to carry a spare fuse-block?

So i take your not on the list for harness? (HA,HA,HA)

 

[Brodie]

The reason people are paranoid about these failing is because a number of them have experienced this problem with the switch.
Hey, ignition switches don't fail often (on other bikes) either. But when it does fail, or if the Brodie relay failed, unlike any of the other relays or switches on the motorcycle, you are up shits creek without a paddle. You either start jury-rigging (if you know how) or you start walking.

Any time you make modifications to the electrical system, even one as well thought out as the Brodie Bypass Relay, that mod is far more apt to fail than the original circuit that went through full design validation and verification. And yet the stock switches are failing. So is it really all that foolish to have a plan in place to back out the modification?

As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

If you're going to set up a bypass to the Brodie, what happens if the bypass fails? Maybe you should carry a spare bypass? Or to save you having to make a repair on the road, maybe set up both a bypass and a bypass bypass so that if the bypass fails, the bypass bypass can bypass the bypass?

My point is simply that, having the ignition problem excellently solved by the Brodie harness, it becomes a little silly to now start talking about a "what-if" scenario positing that Brodie's well-designed and crafted fix might theoretically and conceivably itself need a fix. Sort of like discussing how many angels can fit on the end of the bypass. Anything on the bike might catastrophically fail at any given moment. How many spares for how many parts you going to carry? You have a Centech or other fuse-block? If it fails, as is theoretically possible, you will be stranded. You going to carry a spare fuse-block?

So i take your not on the list for harness? (HA,HA,HA)

I have a few on hand,

ready to ship...

 

[Fred W]

The reason people are paranoid about these failing is because a number of them have experienced this problem with the switch.
blah blah blah

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

blah blah blah

Sorry I missed your reply, earlier.

No, I'm not grumpy in the least. But as I said previously, whenever one makes a "Field" modification, they should have a plan for removing said modification in the event of a failure (of the mod).

As was deftly pointed out, my idea of making a (simple) jumper for the relay is pretty much not required since it is wicked easy to just remove the Brodie relay harnesses and connect the original connectors to each other.

My jumper idea, or the idea of carrying a spare relay, was overkill.

Mea culpa.

Still not grumpy...

 

[palerider]

The reason people are paranoid about these failing is because a number of them have experienced this problem with the switch.
Hey, ignition switches don't fail often (on other bikes) either. But when it does fail, or if the Brodie relay failed, unlike any of the other relays or switches on the motorcycle, you are up shits creek without a paddle. You either start jury-rigging (if you know how) or you start walking.

Any time you make modifications to the electrical system, even one as well thought out as the Brodie Bypass Relay, that mod is far more apt to fail than the original circuit that went through full design validation and verification. And yet the stock switches are failing. So is it really all that foolish to have a plan in place to back out the modification?

As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

If you're going to set up a bypass to the Brodie, what happens if the bypass fails? Maybe you should carry a spare bypass? Or to save you having to make a repair on the road, maybe set up both a bypass and a bypass bypass so that if the bypass fails, the bypass bypass can bypass the bypass?

My point is simply that, having the ignition problem excellently solved by the Brodie harness, it becomes a little silly to now start talking about a "what-if" scenario positing that Brodie's well-designed and crafted fix might theoretically and conceivably itself need a fix. Sort of like discussing how many angels can fit on the end of the bypass. Anything on the bike might catastrophically fail at any given moment. How many spares for how many parts you going to carry? You have a Centech or other fuse-block? If it fails, as is theoretically possible, you will be stranded. You going to carry a spare fuse-block?

So i take your not on the list for harness? (HA,HA,HA)

Got mine in the second round.

 

[HDtoFJR]

Thanks for the pm Brodie. Paypal sent

 

[Brodie]

Blah blah blah...As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

...Blah blah blah

So i take your not on the list for harness? (HA,HA,HA)

Got mine in the second round.

How 'bout one for the rear view mirror in the wife's car?

Several to hang on next year's christmas tree?



Seriously,

I appreciate the favorable response the FJRForum members have given me with my harnesses these past several months.

Thank You All!!

:clapping:

Brodie

 

[palerider]

Blah blah blah...As someone else has already suggested, if this concern seems to be "over the top" to you, then why don't you just quit reading the posts in those thread(s). Why it should bother you so much that other people want to take steps to ensure that they will not be stranded by a known defect is the harder thing to understand.

My, we're sounding a bit grumpy. <_<

...Blah blah blah

So i take your not on the list for harness? (HA,HA,HA)

Got mine in the second round.

How 'bout one for the rear view mirror in the wife's car?

Several to hang on next year's christmas tree?



Seriously,

I appreciate the favorable response the FJRForum members have given me with my harnesses these past several months.

Thank You All!!

:clapping:

Brodie

Is it true that "Milpitas" means "horny millipede" in Spanish?

 

[rfespinosa]

Brodie,

I would like to buy one of your ignition switch harness. I can do paypal.

Ron

 

[FJJ'sR]

Brodie,

Please add me to the list for the relay harness.

PayPal done on 2/16/09.

Thanks, John