beemerdons
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Steve and Greg, Gen-II jokes are the gift that just keeps on giving!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sorry Jeff, we really can't help ourselves; Gen-II's are just too funny!
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Sorry Jeff, we really can't help ourselves; Gen-II's are just too funny!
El Toro Joe
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beemerdons
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Ai Caramba Jose, RadioHowie is a fruitcake, not a fruitcup! jes' sayin' and nuff' said!
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****...I misinterpreted your context. Yeah, I forgot I rode the Feej and rode Rex instead. Mea Culpa on the misunderstanding there, plum-pudding.
Gaddammitt Stanley....how about you go ride yer Schtuppenholenvagen and leave the conversation to the adults?
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...No problem...that happens sometimes as we get old****...I misinterpreted your context. Yeah, I forgot I rode the Feej and rode Rex instead. Mea Culpa on the misunderstanding there, plum-pudding.
Stephen
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'C' goes to the front left caliper. The front brake system only encompasses the right front caliper.
So, why do I have something that is different from the 'norm'?
Could this be a 'custom' installation by Yamaha?
So, why do I have something that is different from the 'norm'?
Could this be a 'custom' installation by Yamaha?
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Assuming you are correct (and no reason to think otherwise) then I'd say you deserve a two-part answer:
1 - Custom installation, Yes
2 - By Yamaha, No
SkooterG
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If that is true, then your FJR's brake system is really ****** up. I take it your not the original owner?
Hack job 'linking' of front and rear brakes is NOT a good idea IMHO. Proportioning for front and rear is totally different. And I want to know 'HOW' they modified your rear brake master cylinder to get two lines 'out'.
Are you SURE?
beemerdons
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https://weather.aol.com/forecast/todays//usa/arizona/chandler/id/usaz0034;jsessionid=2E1B34E07E8338577164E6A09E9565DD Way too fecking hot to ride Gisele at 111F, I'd rather sit here in my underwear, and observe you and Joe engage in a Lover's Quarrel!!!Gaddammitt Stanley....how about you go ride yer Schtuppenholenvagen and leave the conversation to the adults?
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Stephen
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I am the second owner.
It's a professional install... all steel lines, etc.
It's a professional install... all steel lines, etc.
That is not "linked" braking. It is a custom "one off" modification, and it is a really bad idea, IMO.
The way linked braking (is supposed to) work is it should take the rotational braking force of one axle's caliper against its own stationary carrier at that axle and convert that into a hydraulic force to then apply as brake force at the other axle. This does not result in an increase in lever or pedal effort for a given amount of braking force applied.
What they have done is to make the (small) rear brake master cylinder operate both the rear slave cylinder and one of the front cylinders. This was probably the brain child of some ex-cruiser rider that couldn't re-learn to use his hand brake lever as the primary braking mechanism. By making the front lever apply only one of the two available front disks they have halved the braking power (rotor swept pad friction area) available at that lever. Since this is your PRIMARY stopping power, you are currently in brake deficit.
And then by splitting the foot brake master cylinder hydraulic output to two slaves, they have essentially halved the braking power there per unit input too.
I would return it to the normal config ASAP.
edit - stainless steel lines do not make it a professional install. You can buy them on eBay fer chrissakes.
The way linked braking (is supposed to) work is it should take the rotational braking force of one axle's caliper against its own stationary carrier at that axle and convert that into a hydraulic force to then apply as brake force at the other axle. This does not result in an increase in lever or pedal effort for a given amount of braking force applied.
What they have done is to make the (small) rear brake master cylinder operate both the rear slave cylinder and one of the front cylinders. This was probably the brain child of some ex-cruiser rider that couldn't re-learn to use his hand brake lever as the primary braking mechanism. By making the front lever apply only one of the two available front disks they have halved the braking power (rotor swept pad friction area) available at that lever. Since this is your PRIMARY stopping power, you are currently in brake deficit.
And then by splitting the foot brake master cylinder hydraulic output to two slaves, they have essentially halved the braking power there per unit input too.
I would return it to the normal config ASAP.
edit - stainless steel lines do not make it a professional install. You can buy them on eBay fer chrissakes.
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El Toro Joe
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As long as you aint touchin yourself there DonI'd rather sit here in my underwear, and observe you and Joe engage in a Lover's Quarrel!!!Gaddammitt Stanley....how about you go ride yer Schtuppenholenvagen and leave the conversation to the adults?
Stephen
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Fred, I have a call into Yamaha USA. The parts aren't hacked. It's a specifically manufactured system... why? Who knows.
It also explains the crappy front brake response.
It also explains the crappy front brake response.
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Ewww!! <_<As long as you aint touchin yourself there Don
It also explains the crappy front brake response.
Yes. Yes it does.
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beemerdons
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Hey now Joe, even we Geriatric Senior Citizens need a hobby (it doesn't cost anything)!Ewww!! <_<As long as you aint touchin yourself there Don
It also explains the crappy front brake response.
Yes. Yes it does.
Fred, isn't this amazing! I am really interested in what Stephen finds out from Yamaha!
I was once a Corvette collector, big time; GM put out some oddballs, right from Detroit!
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RadioHowie
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You JUST know, deep down in your heart of hearts...that he IS! :gag:As long as you aint touchin yourself there DonI'd rather sit here in my underwear, and observe you and Joe engage in a Lover's Quarrel!!!Gaddammitt Stanley....how about you go ride yer Schtuppenholenvagen and leave the conversation to the adults?
Stephen
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I just talked to the service manager at Renton Motorcycles (the dealer I purchased the bike from about 5 years ago). The original owner had medical/anatomy issues. It was set up specifically for him.
It, as stated above, resembles the Honda LBS, however, it falls far short (as Fred stated). It appears all they did was disconnect the front left caliper brake line & attached it to the rear brake actuator.
I'm taking the bike into the shop next week for new fork seals, so I'll change it back to stock then.
I'll be pulling a trailer for about 12,000 miles on my trip so I need everything in tip-top shape.
Whew!
It, as stated above, resembles the Honda LBS, however, it falls far short (as Fred stated). It appears all they did was disconnect the front left caliper brake line & attached it to the rear brake actuator.
I'm taking the bike into the shop next week for new fork seals, so I'll change it back to stock then.
I'll be pulling a trailer for about 12,000 miles on my trip so I need everything in tip-top shape.
Whew!
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RadioHowie
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I suggest you take a day or two to get used to what FJR front brakes are supposed to feel like.
I can't even imagine how crappy stopping that barge must've been with only one caliper in use.
I can't even imagine how crappy stopping that barge must've been with only one caliper in use.
Stephen,
I'm very glad for you that you asked these questions here. Pulling a trailer with any bike is iffy at best, but one that had the brakes modified for someone like that is downright scary.
Glad that you got her sorted out.
PS - be vewy caweful till you get it fixed.
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