Local dealer no longer selling 20w-40 oil

[Bigbeavk]

I stopped by my local dealer in Frederick, MD :dribble: to get oil and filter and was told Yamaha no longer makes or recommends 20w-40 oil for the FJR.

The guy told me that 10w-40 is all that Yamaha is now recommending and they will no longer make the 20w-40 oil. I don't mind using this for my winter riding but it sure sounds like BS to me. Has anyone else heard about this?

Thanks,

Keith

:blink:

 

[Rls]

I stopped by my local dealer in Frederick, MD :dribble: to get oil and filter and was told Yamaha no longer makes or recommends 20w-40 oil for the FJR.The guy told me that 10w-40 is all that Yamaha is now recommending and they will no longer make the 20w-40 oil. I don't mind using this for my winter riding but it sure sounds like BS to me. Has anyone else heard about this?

Thanks,

Keith

:blink:

I hav used 10-40 in mine since new. Never understood why 20-40 when no one else makes it--wait maybe that is it--only Yamaha has it and they charge high dollar---nah they would not do that.

 

[El Toro]

I stopped by my local dealer in Frederick, MD :dribble: to get oil and filter and was told Yamaha no longer makes or recommends 20w-40 oil for the FJR.The guy told me that 10w-40 is all that Yamaha is now recommending and they will no longer make the 20w-40 oil. I don't mind using this for my winter riding but it sure sounds like BS to me. Has anyone else heard about this?

Thanks,

Keith

:blink:

Its true.

It was phased out within the last year or so. 10W40 would be the logical replacement spec since it would have the same properties at high temps, and would favorable properties at lower temps compared to the 20W40.

I asked Gerald at D&H about this last summer. At first he thought it was still available, but when he checked, he said it wasn't.

 

[Warchild]

I stopped by my local dealer in Frederick, MD :dribble: to get oil and filter and was told Yamaha no longer makes or recommends 20w-40 oil for the FJR.The guy told me that 10w-40 is all that Yamaha is now recommending and they will no longer make the 20w-40 oil. I don't mind using this for my winter riding but it sure sounds like BS to me. Has anyone else heard about this?

The 20-40W spec was always ridiculous. And it was never a viscosity range you could find anywhere except the Yamalube version. Do not be concerned that is is no longer available.

Further, it was a particularly dumb viscosity range to use in regions where winters get extremely cold. Trying to spin a cold motor at ambient temps below freezing, the 20-40w oil is like molasses.... very hard on the battery/starter.

We are already seeing early morning temps in the 20's here in the High Desert of eastern Washington.... I've already switched over to the Good Stuff: 2 quarts 5W-40 Yamalube, the rest with 10-40W Mobil One.

 

[dbvolfan]

Boy, this was timely. I was debating putting the 10w-40 in for the winter since I ride year round. When it gets down to 30 the bike has a hard time cranking. 5 degrees and you can almost forget about it and this is with a new battery.

The dealer perofrmed a free oil change over the summer and put 10w-40 in which I wasnt crazy about when it was in the 90's outside so I swapped it at 2.5k and put it to good use in my other bike.

 

[Jagermeister]

I stopped by my local dealer in Frederick, MD :dribble: to get oil and filter and was told Yamaha no longer makes or recommends 20w-40 oil for the FJR.The guy told me that 10w-40 is all that Yamaha is now recommending and they will no longer make the 20w-40 oil. I don't mind using this for my winter riding but it sure sounds like BS to me. Has anyone else heard about this?

The 20-40W spec was always ridiculous. And it was never a viscosity range you could find anywhere except the Yamalube version. Do not be concerned that is is no longer available.

Further, it was a particularly dumb viscosity range to use in regions where winters get extremely cold. Trying to spin a cold motor at ambient temps below freezing, the 20-40w oil is like molasses.... very hard on the battery/starter.

We are already seeing early morning temps in the 20's here in the High Desert of eastern Washington.... I've already switched over to the Good Stuff: 2 quarts 5W-40 Yamalube, the rest with 10-40W Mobil One.

+1

5W-40 YamaLube is the shiznit.

 

[Yorkmeister]

You should check out this website. It has lots of good information on oil and oil filters.

https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#Oil

I am going to put the Chevron Delo 400 oil in my FJR tomorrow. I chose this based on the information in this website.

 

[canyonman]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company is mobil 1 10w40 fully synthetic 4 stroke motorcycle oil. autozone sells it. made all clutch issues a thing of the past. cranks good on cold mornings too.

They (Mobil) also have a fully synthetic 20w50 they market for v-twins that works good in the hot summer months

 

[Warchild]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company

Little known trivia... the original Yamalube 20-40W is made by Citco Oil.

 

[canyonman]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company

Little known trivia... the original Yamalube 20-40W is made by Citco Oil.

To be clear I wasn't implying that yammy actually made oil. I however was not aware that Citgo produced it .

Yet another reason not to use it. My opinion is strictly political and will NOT be discussed further.

 

[El Toro]

Oil isn't any different from canned vegetables, gasoline, even DVD players. Several different marques buy units that have been built to their own specifications and badged accordingly for resale through their own distribution network. The difference from one oil to the next within the same SAE weight classification and API service specification is most likely the amount and type of additives.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company is mobil 1 10w40 fully synthetic 4 stroke motorcycle oil. autozone sells it. made all clutch issues a thing of the past. cranks good on cold mornings too.They (Mobil) also have a fully synthetic 20w50 they market for v-twins that works good in the hot summer months

I would venture that the coolant to lubricant heat exchanger on you FJR engine endeavors to keep the oil at or near coolant temperature (between thermostat open/close and fan on/off) indescriminate of ambient temperature. IOW, the FJR engine's fluids may not know whether it's summer or winter -- except for starting and warm-up. Probably, having more trouble getting/keeping the oil warm at cold temps than the other way (cool at hotter temps).

Also: heavier viscosity oils sometimes tend to run hotter oil temps -- all other things being equal, YMMV, etc., etc.

 

[canyonman]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company is mobil 1 10w40 fully synthetic 4 stroke motorcycle oil. autozone sells it. made all clutch issues a thing of the past. cranks good on cold mornings too.They (Mobil) also have a fully synthetic 20w50 they market for v-twins that works good in the hot summer months

I would venture that the coolant to lubricant heat exchanger on you FJR engine endeavors to keep the oil at or near coolant temperature (between thermostat open/close and fan on/off) indescriminate of ambient temperature. IOW, the FJR engine's fluids may not know whether it's summer or winter -- except for starting and warm-up. Probably, having more trouble getting/keeping the oil warm at cold temps than the other way (cool at hotter temps).

Also: heavier viscosity oils sometimes tend to run hotter oil temps -- all other things being equal, YMMV, etc., etc.

I did take that into consideration. After all most people run the same oil year round in their cars.

Just saying I have tried both 40 and 50 with no discernable differences in performance.

 

[Bigbeavk]

Hey thanks for all the info guys!!! :drinks:

 

[El Toro]

I did take that into consideration. After all most people run the same oil year round in their cars.Just saying I have tried both 40 and 50 with no discernable differences in performance.

There's really no advantage to running 50 weight in most modern water cooled vehicles.

In the Moto Guzzi Norge, which was oil cooled, they were actually specifying 10W60, supposedly due to some oil failure issues at higher temps with the 10W50 spec.

Its awful hard to beat 10W40 in a watercooled motorcycle engine, and 5W30 seems to work pretty well in most four wheel applications. Its awful hard to be plain ol' dinosaur oil too. If you've got the right weight and the right API service, you're generally good to go.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Believe it or not...I like this oil thread. Good information for me.

 

[Jagermeister]

A readily available alternative made by an actual OIL company

Little known trivia... the original Yamalube 20-40W is made by Citco Oil.

To be clear I wasn't implying that yammy actually made oil. I however was not aware that Citgo produced it .

Yet another reason not to use it. My opinion is strictly political and will NOT be discussed further.

According to D&H Yamaha, the relationship with Citgo ended last year, when YamaLube's formula changed.

Kawasaki still sources oil from Citgo; not sure who Yamaha uses now.

 

[RAVENRIDER]

Seeing as I am yet to come across a Yamaha, HD or Honda oil rig, I've been using Wal-Mart brand 15W-40 or the like for years with no ill effects.

 

[Newfie Bullet]

You want to know "All About Oil"? Try this link. Very informative.

https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html