Wicked Webby
Right is Harder than Wrong.
Hey all,
As promised here is the update from the performance tuning and testing done yesterday with my good friend (Motor659 on the C14 forum) and his 08C14.
This thread is not intended for bashing.. Just for those of you interested in how this turned out and how we tuned them up to get there. I will say this... Both bikes performed flawlessly and better than either one of us really needs them too!
THEY FLY!
Most of you here know about my profound HP/TQ mods.. If not.. Check it out here...
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...hl=wicked+webby
Also, here is how I extremely fine tuned my bike better than I was able to on the dyno.....
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...hl=wicked+webby
Motor659 and I tuned his C14 with this same method today.
Motor659's C14 is modded up very well. Pretty much the same type of mods my FJR has except he can't chop his air box(ram air in all you know).
I'd rather have his ram air :glare: !!
His bike is fully broke in (around 4k on it). Motor659's C14 has the Two Brothers Racing Carbon Fiber Exhaust and the GIpro TRE that allows him to keep his intake flies wide open all the time (tricks the bike into thinking it is in 6th gear all the time). A very nice way to rid himself of the stupid intake flies. His C14 also has the Dobeck/Techlusion FI tuner. Which he very much needed when eliminating his fly action.
Both our bike still have their cats. I weigh around 230+ and Motor659 weighs around 265+. My bike always has that extra gas.. So I figure the less weight advantage goes to the FJR by about 28lbs or so.
We completed 11 AFR data log runs with various FI settings and 5 side by side roll-on performance runs to see how he improved against my 07FJRA. We got him dialed in very NICE!!
A little history here.. My modded FJR use to (I stress use to) beat up on his modded C14 pretty good... Roll-ons (at any rpm level) were usually in the neighborhood of 10 bike lengths advantage the FJR in every gear except 1st.. We were always tied with the 1st gear roll-ons (roll-ons not rider ability off of the line). Top speed was always close (we figured very close. I'd say a slight advantage to his C14. A bike length difference after top out speed). Since those runs... Motor659 has added the TRE Gipro and we BOTH have extremely fine tuned our rides under road load via the Innovative LM1 wideband 02 sniffer (installed pre-cat in the bung).
(HOW IT ENDED UP TODAY
We stripped off our bags... Left our brains at home for the afternoon and we HIT IT :blink: :dribble: :dribble: !!!!
All roll-ons (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears) we were both rock-en out super hard and impressive (Just ask Gramps) !!
Utilizing my current fine tuned settings my FJR would jump out in front of his C14 everytime (ahead around 2 bike lengths). This was consistent with every gear. It would stay that way all the way until 156 mph on my GPS (closed course of course!!).. Then, the mighty C14 would creep on past me by 2 bike lengths as we we would plateau :dribble: ... Motor659's max speed on his GPS read 158 :yahoo: . It should be noted that we were doing these top out runs directly into the wind.. No tailwind here.
As I said, Mine read this (note.. we both have the same GPS Garmin Nuvi 650):
Interestingly enough.. I decided to add just a dash of fuel to my recipe on the wide open throttle jet (2:30 on pot#3 rather than 2:15)....
Drum roll please....................................................................................
.........................................
With this added fuel setting our bikes would top out DEAD EVEN :yahoo: :yahoo: ...................Motor659 tried to kick me balls up into me throat!!!
BUT WAIT..... There is always a big *** butt...............
With this added fuel my bike would no longer pull him in the roll-ons (all gears)... BUT now we were EXACTLY even in all the roll-ons.
So to gain 2 more MPH on top (under these wind conditions).. I had to lose 2 bike lengths in real World roll-on acceleration and quarter mile times... :angry:
BUMMER!!!
Though, no complaints. A modded up and highly tuned C14's performance numbers are nothing to complain about.
Goes to show how impressively modded the FJR can be!
So the information sharing is done... Now a question.......................................
"What way would most of you (that ride fast..Sunday riders need not apply here) have your bike tuned?"
1) The slightly less fuel for the better quarter mile times, better roll-ons and better corner exit speeds over the modded C14....
-(OR)-
2) The more fuel setting for equal quarter, equal roll-ons, equal corner exit speeds and equal top speed to the modded C14.......
For now, I am leaning toward the 1st .. Seams like more real road fun!!
Thats all I got, Any thoughts (besides how stupid we are!!!!) By the way, Motor659 and I are both very
happy with our bikes performance! We were thinking that we can probably break the 160mph mark with
less wind in our faces!
WW
As promised here is the update from the performance tuning and testing done yesterday with my good friend (Motor659 on the C14 forum) and his 08C14.
This thread is not intended for bashing.. Just for those of you interested in how this turned out and how we tuned them up to get there. I will say this... Both bikes performed flawlessly and better than either one of us really needs them too!
THEY FLY!
Most of you here know about my profound HP/TQ mods.. If not.. Check it out here...
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...hl=wicked+webby
Also, here is how I extremely fine tuned my bike better than I was able to on the dyno.....
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...hl=wicked+webby
Motor659 and I tuned his C14 with this same method today.
Motor659's C14 is modded up very well. Pretty much the same type of mods my FJR has except he can't chop his air box(ram air in all you know).
I'd rather have his ram air :glare: !!
His bike is fully broke in (around 4k on it). Motor659's C14 has the Two Brothers Racing Carbon Fiber Exhaust and the GIpro TRE that allows him to keep his intake flies wide open all the time (tricks the bike into thinking it is in 6th gear all the time). A very nice way to rid himself of the stupid intake flies. His C14 also has the Dobeck/Techlusion FI tuner. Which he very much needed when eliminating his fly action.
Both our bike still have their cats. I weigh around 230+ and Motor659 weighs around 265+. My bike always has that extra gas.. So I figure the less weight advantage goes to the FJR by about 28lbs or so.
We completed 11 AFR data log runs with various FI settings and 5 side by side roll-on performance runs to see how he improved against my 07FJRA. We got him dialed in very NICE!!
A little history here.. My modded FJR use to (I stress use to) beat up on his modded C14 pretty good... Roll-ons (at any rpm level) were usually in the neighborhood of 10 bike lengths advantage the FJR in every gear except 1st.. We were always tied with the 1st gear roll-ons (roll-ons not rider ability off of the line). Top speed was always close (we figured very close. I'd say a slight advantage to his C14. A bike length difference after top out speed). Since those runs... Motor659 has added the TRE Gipro and we BOTH have extremely fine tuned our rides under road load via the Innovative LM1 wideband 02 sniffer (installed pre-cat in the bung).
(HOW IT ENDED UP TODAY
We stripped off our bags... Left our brains at home for the afternoon and we HIT IT :blink: :dribble:
:dribble: !!!!All roll-ons (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears) we were both rock-en out super hard and impressive (Just ask Gramps) !!
Utilizing my current fine tuned settings my FJR would jump out in front of his C14 everytime (ahead around 2 bike lengths). This was consistent with every gear. It would stay that way all the way until 156 mph on my GPS (closed course of course!!).. Then, the mighty C14 would creep on past me by 2 bike lengths as we we would plateau :dribble: ... Motor659's max speed on his GPS read 158 :yahoo: . It should be noted that we were doing these top out runs directly into the wind.. No tailwind here.
As I said, Mine read this (note.. we both have the same GPS Garmin Nuvi 650):
Interestingly enough.. I decided to add just a dash of fuel to my recipe on the wide open throttle jet (2:30 on pot#3 rather than 2:15)....
Drum roll please....................................................................................
.........................................
With this added fuel setting our bikes would top out DEAD EVEN :yahoo: :yahoo: ...................Motor659 tried to kick me balls up into me throat!!!
BUT WAIT..... There is always a big *** butt...............
With this added fuel my bike would no longer pull him in the roll-ons (all gears)... BUT now we were EXACTLY even in all the roll-ons.
So to gain 2 more MPH on top (under these wind conditions).. I had to lose 2 bike lengths in real World roll-on acceleration and quarter mile times... :angry:
BUMMER!!!
Though, no complaints. A modded up and highly tuned C14's performance numbers are nothing to complain about.
Goes to show how impressively modded the FJR can be!
So the information sharing is done... Now a question.......................................
"What way would most of you (that ride fast..Sunday riders need not apply here) have your bike tuned?"
1) The slightly less fuel for the better quarter mile times, better roll-ons and better corner exit speeds over the modded C14....
-(OR)-
2) The more fuel setting for equal quarter, equal roll-ons, equal corner exit speeds and equal top speed to the modded C14.......
For now, I am leaning toward the 1st .. Seams like more real road fun!!
Thats all I got, Any thoughts (besides how stupid we are!!!!) By the way, Motor659 and I are both very
happy with our bikes performance! We were thinking that we can probably break the 160mph mark with
less wind in our faces!
WW
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