Motorcyclist Magazine fired Dexter Ford

[Fred W]

It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true. :blink:

 

[FJR-RemingtonRider]

Well, sorry to hear about anyone getting the axe...Guy certianly influenced my philosophy with the indepth helmet article.

With that said,

Props to ShinyPartsuP, One heck of an Avatar!!!!!!!!

 

[beemerdons]

It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true. :blink:

Holy Cow Fred, if I didn't know better, I would almost think you are calling Niehart and I: O - L - D. We are: M - A - T - U - R - E!

 

[Crash Cash]

Their touching story of the struggles of a transexual bike racer did it for me.

*SPEW* I missed that one! I also need a clean monitor now.

 

[Warchild]

You are going to get one heck of a shitstorm when Barb, Tyler and MEM see this.

Wait a minute, now.... Barb is not old!

<ba-dum dum!>

 

[Fred W]

It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true. :blink:

Holy Cow Fred, if I didn't know better, I would almost think you are calling Niehart and I: O - L - D. We are: M - A - T - U - R - E!

Yeah, because it's the "mature" guys that hang around at Starbucks waiting to get laid by the hotties... :blink:

Or maybe this was just was just a spelling problem? It's actually spelled D - E - M - E - N - T- E - D!

 

[DABRIT]

It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true. :blink:

Holy Cow Fred, if I didn't know better, I would almost think you are calling Niehart and I: O - L - D. We are: M - A - T - U - R - E!

Yeah, because it's the "mature" guys that hang around at Starbucks waiting [SIZE=12pt]TRYING[/SIZE] to get laid by the hotties... :blink:

Or maybe this was just was just a spelling problem? It's actually spelled D - E - M - E - N - T- E - D!

Fred fixed it for ya -

As I am in the old codgers club, i have to stand up for my fellow retirees.

A quote for you -

Young men think old men are fools, but the old men know young men are fools

DB

 

[Fred W]

And hot women KNOW that ALL men are fools.

 

[Old Michael]

Props to ShinyPartsuP, One heck of an Avatar!!!!!!!!

Retracted.

 

[El Toro]

I don't think much of Motorcyclist magazine, I especially don't care for Catterson as editor, and I can easily live without Ford's insights.

I've had DOT and ECE modular helmets with movable chin bars, but all of my full face helmets dating back over 40 years have been Snell certified. The one accident where I needed a helmet was a circumstance where the shell needed to be as tough as possible against intrusion. I ended up with a punctured shell, but I was lucky that the intrusion didn't make it to my skull. A soft shell would have likely lead to a serious head injury. With my Snell helmet of the day, I walked away with no head trauma whatsoever.

I let Motorcyclist go a couple of years ago. I don't miss it. In this case though, it is easy to see why advertisers would pull their ads, and I probably would too.

If you believe in the Snell Foundation's commitment to consistency and quality, and if you believe that the 2010 standard is a step forward in helmet evolution, then why would you want to spend your advertising dollars with a magazine whose editorial staff is on record advising that you would be better off not buying a Snell certified helmet?

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Uh Shiny, My Dearest, both Niehart - Dave and I share the same physiological and psychological condition: We are both freaking R - E - T - I - R - E - D; for example, all we do all day long, is ride our many motorcycles and hang out at Starbuck's or Applebee's, looking for Cougars & Pumas! To kill time in between prey sightings, we occupy our ourselves reading moto mags!

Please explain the difference between a cougar and puma before we move any further. I thought they were the same thing...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=puma johnny80s, so we don't confuse someone here on our Forum, won't mention his name but his initials are SPU, examine definition of the Puma here, then contrast it to the Cougar definition link!

I might as well clear the air on this subject matter right now, Niehart and I aren't adverse to hunting down sabor tooths; 45+!

That is too funny.

You guys are like trying to deal with my 12-year-old son with attention problems and new hormones... :lol:

 

[MotorToad]

This is odd. I have a (free) subscription to Motorcyclist and I honestly don't remember a Ford writing in it. What gets me, though, is the wording that Arai and Shoei pressured someone to fire someone on behalf of what he said about SNELL standards. No one's liked SNELL standards as anything other than something that isn't the useless DOT standards, hence the '10 standards being much more in line with what the old Motorcyclist article by Trevett said. If SNELL didn't like anything, it would have been that article. If Arai or Shoei didn't like something, I can't imagine it'd have anything to do with... **** it, I have no idea who this Ford guy is. So who cares?

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

It wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true. :blink:

Holy Cow Fred, if I didn't know better, I would almost think you are calling Niehart and I: O - L - D. We are: M - A - T - U - R - E! A-N-C-I-E-N-T

fixed it for ya you old codger.

FredW: MEM, Tyler and ****, Barb are going to roast your nuts. If I didn't know better I'd call Troll.

So much for trying to keep this on topic, it really is Winter....

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

I don't think much of Motorcyclist magazine, I especially don't care for Catterson as editor, and I can easily live without Ford's insights.
I've had DOT and ECE modular helmets with movable chin bars, but all of my full face helmets dating back over 40 years have been Snell certified. The one accident where I needed a helmet was a circumstance where the shell needed to be as tough as possible against intrusion. I ended up with a punctured shell, but I was lucky that the intrusion didn't make it to my skull. A soft shell would have likely lead to a serious head injury. With my Snell helmet of the day, I walked away with no head trauma whatsoever.

I let Motorcyclist go a couple of years ago. I don't miss it. In this case though, it is easy to see why advertisers would pull their ads, and I probably would too.

If you believe in the Snell Foundation's commitment to consistency and quality, and if you believe that the 2010 standard is a step forward in helmet evolution, then why would you want to spend your advertising dollars with a magazine whose editorial staff is on record advising that you would be better off not buying a Snell certified helmet?

I'm just asking -- did you read the article or listen to the podcast?

Ford was not putting down the 2010 SNELL standards. He went on to say they were an improvement. If I were buying a SNELL helmet, I would want to know I was getting the new and improved SNELL 2010, which Shoei and Arai are making. I came away with the idea that more people may go out and look for the 2010 designation helmets -- therefore more helmets could be sold, and manufacturers could tout their helmets as "new and improved".

He did say he criticized SNELL for waiting more than two years before stopping the earlier SNELL designations from being made (in 2012), and allowing the older helmets to be sold indefinately. He pointed out how to figure out which SNELL certification a helmet had passed. I thought it was a balanced view overall. Some bias came through in the article, but what doesn't in print nowadays -- should he be fired for writing in the Times? You bet the Times lawyers went over the facts with a fine comb.... just sayin. The fact is all Ford did was report/rehash the same data. But he did it in a bigger forum -- the Times. I think that is what bothered helmet manufacturers and SNELL.

As for your own experience, I truly am pleased it worked out. But the majority of motorcycle crashes do not require protection from puncture events. I've seen the devastating effects of closed head injuries when the brain basically gets sloshed around -- it isn't pretty. But I don't want to rehash the "my helmet is better than your helmet" oil-like thread.

Thanks for bringing us back from the hijack abyss...

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

This is odd. I have a (free) subscription to Motorcyclist and I honestly don't remember a Ford writing in it. What gets me, though, is the wording that Arai and Shoei pressured someone to fire someone on behalf of what he said about SNELL standards. No one's liked SNELL standards as anything other than something that isn't the useless DOT standards, hence the '10 standards being much more in line with what the old Motorcyclist article by Trevett said. If SNELL didn't like anything, it would have been that article. If Arai or Shoei didn't like something, I can't imagine it'd have anything to do with... **** it, I have no idea who this Ford guy is. So who cares?

huh?

Your point is.....

 

[RadioHowie]

Don, where the hell do you find the time to read 12 magazines a month?

At his age, one decent crap is worth a magazine and a half. Don't YOU read in the john?

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Don, where the hell do you find the time to read 12 magazines a month?

At his age, one decent crap is worth a magazine and a half. Don't YOU read in the john?

You are so old-school.

I bring my laptop.....

 

[MEM]

PS - I'm sure that you already realize that heterosexual women are all prostitutes. It's just that some require a much smaller amount of money and for it to be paid up front, and then they make no demands on your time later.

[SIZE=12pt]O....M.....F !!!!![/SIZE]

Freddy boy, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, ie, that you're PWI.

Warchild, ah ain't old. I'm experienced !

 

[madmike2]

I listened to the podcast.

I heard: "Catterson said Shoie and Arai said..." and, "Brian Catterson's emails to me stated that Shoei and Arai said...."

I certainly hope he saved those emails to use as defense in case of a possible slander/libel lawsuit.

IIRC, there've been a number of complaints to the editors about some of Ford's writing. Some of this could be "house cleaning". Regardless, it's on my list of non-renewal of subscriptions.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

I listened to the podcast. I heard: "Catterson said Shoie and Arai said..." and, "Brian Catterson's emails to me stated that Shoei and Arai said...."

I certainly hope he saved those emails to use as defense in case of a possible slander/libel lawsuit.

IIRC, there've been a number of complaints to the editors about some of Ford's writing. Some of this could be "house cleaning". Regardless, it's on my list of non-renewal of subscriptions.

Mike, what complaints? I am not defending the guy's writing; actually I think his writing style is rather dry. Were the complaints letters to the editor or something? It is suspicious he was fired after 30 years at the same magazine. I bet it makes all writers at specialty magazines (moto, cars, boats, etc.) more cautious. In the end that is not a good thing.

And I agree he better have emails in hand. As well as a lawyer on retainer.