If they pass, heavy duty fines and confiscation on the first one and inconvenience on the second one, only targeting at motorcycles;
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CAJW
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Yet another good reason to become a AMA member. This kind of legislation is just plain wrong! With millions of motorcyclists in the country and only 300,000 AMA members, we need to increase those numbers if we want any clout fighting this kind of garbage legislation. I'm not a loud pipe advocate, but this is discriminatory against motorcycles as there is no mention of cars or trucks. My .02 worth.
Actually, I think it's one more reason to not become an AMA member. Because AMA won't take a stand and tell loud pipe riders to knock it off.
The law is targeting loud pipes, but also catching reasonably volumed after-market pipes.
Make no mistake.....loud pipe riders are the ones screwing it up for everybody else.
That all said, I would rather it be based on decibels at certain distance at a certain rpm, but unless we tell our loud pipe brethren to knock their **** off....this kind of stuff will end up passing.
The law is targeting loud pipes, but also catching reasonably volumed after-market pipes.
Make no mistake.....loud pipe riders are the ones screwing it up for everybody else.
That all said, I would rather it be based on decibels at certain distance at a certain rpm, but unless we tell our loud pipe brethren to knock their **** off....this kind of stuff will end up passing.
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v65
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Well somebody besides this guy would be helpful:
"But biker Bill Ferraro, president of the Union Ironworkers Motorcycle Club, Local 580, testified that "it's unsafe for us to ride when the pipes are too low." "
Never understood the legality of singling out motorcyclists.
"But biker Bill Ferraro, president of the Union Ironworkers Motorcycle Club, Local 580, testified that "it's unsafe for us to ride when the pipes are too low." "
Never understood the legality of singling out motorcyclists.
The thing that troubles me is that they're again specifically targeting motorcycles for EPA compliance NOT cars or trucks. New Yorkers are already mandated to get their cars and motorcycles inspected once a year, to be in compliance with the law.
The second link is that Suffolk County NY is trying to establish MOTORCYCLE ONLY "Safety Stops", meaning that EVERY motorcycle and ONLY motorcycles travelling on a public highway will have to stop for a mandated safety inspection similar to truck inspection stations. Again, no mention of automobiles.
They seem to be passing more and more laws getting more punitive and selective rather than enforcing what currently exists.
Remember, if it generates income for the local governments and isn't challenged more and more localities will see a cash cow and jump on the bandwagon.
NYPete
The second link is that Suffolk County NY is trying to establish MOTORCYCLE ONLY "Safety Stops", meaning that EVERY motorcycle and ONLY motorcycles travelling on a public highway will have to stop for a mandated safety inspection similar to truck inspection stations. Again, no mention of automobiles.
They seem to be passing more and more laws getting more punitive and selective rather than enforcing what currently exists.
Remember, if it generates income for the local governments and isn't challenged more and more localities will see a cash cow and jump on the bandwagon.
NYPete
HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Ya...The targeting thing looks to be an issue, and I would bet they would lose their ***** in an appeal, but what a total pain in the ass. Maybe we should call the ACLU :dwarf:
These programs rarely generate signifcantly more income than the expense of the added enforcement and is rarely the motivation. Yes, I've looked at the data.
Trying to turn it into some discrimination thing doesn't seem to me to be the best approach because we have a common experience of treating different classes of vehicles differently. Motorcycles and passenger cars have long had different laws applied to them as well as rider/driver licensing differences. That boat sailed along time ago.
Instead of trying to just defeat the legislation because you think it's a bad idea....what is the fix presented by the majority of bikers who aren't drunks, crashers, squids, or loud pipe jerks? What are they doing to fix the the perception problem? And just doing nothing and leaving things the same isn't the answer because the non-bikers have clearly rejected that approach and will keep coming up with something until a better answer is found.
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old&slow
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I live in the country and I hate it when a Herd of Morons with illegal pipes go roaring by my house..
I have Never understood WHY cops don't pull over these Butt-Heads with pipes that are marked "Not legal for street use"
and write them tickets...
When I was a youngin' ,, cops didn't seem to have ANY problem pulling my dumb ass and my loud 64 chevelle over.....
I'm not a fan of new or more laws ,,,,, Just enforce the ones we already have.......
Kind of like the anti-gun people saying ,,, "we Need to do something to get the guns out of the hands of criminals"
Duh !!! it's ALREADY a crime for a criminal to have a gun ,,,,,
Old and Grumpy Dan <<< :angry:
zip
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Count me in the crowd of people who loves motorcycles of nearly all kinds, but detests the imbeciles that feel the need to make them as loud as they can, and, as Ignacio said, screw it up for everyone else. There's been a steady erosion of civility in this country and these loud pipes are just another example of that.
These laws don't sound necessarily well-written and likely won't be well enforced. But frankly, better something than nothing. I'm sick of listening to idiots pass through our neighborhood. Still can't understand why they think it's so goddamned cool? It so isn't.
These laws don't sound necessarily well-written and likely won't be well enforced. But frankly, better something than nothing. I'm sick of listening to idiots pass through our neighborhood. Still can't understand why they think it's so goddamned cool? It so isn't.
wheatonFJR
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evil_henchman
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Actually laws are already on the books for loud pipes on cars in every state I've lived in. I wouldn't get across town without getting ticketed if not towed if I ran straight pipes on my pickup. Not that I advocate new laws for much of anything but I've really learned to hate the ass wad loud pipe crowd to the point that I'm glad about this.....to my own self destruction I'm sure since I have louder than stock but not set off car alarms a block away loud pipes on my VTX.
Feejer/Weejer man
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Denver has this kind of law for motorcycles only. But not based on decibels but just any non oem addition for exhaust. Seems to me that if the exhaust meet standards this is imho discrimination because they do not target automobiles with aftermarket exhaust. Talk about loud, have a diesel big rig gear down on an expressway near your house. Just another observation of noise.
Actually, I think Denver too has the standard that an exhaust be stamped with an EPA marking. An after-market exhaust maker could technically get theirs certified, but it's just cost effective to do so. And one of the reasons jurisdictions do the EPA stamp thing is because of the inconvenience and expense of having to outfit every cop with a certified decibel meter or if they have one for a department to get that meter to the scene.
In fact, I have a possible solution! Make it part of the law that jurisdictions use decibel meters with a reasonable standard AND that part of the ticket revenue they generate goes to buying jurisdictions decibel meters to enforce it.
That way word gets out that loud pipe riders end up paying for the very equipment that is going to nail them. Meanwhile, reasonable level after-market pipe riders don't get popped.
Whaddya think? If I were a legislator I'd find that an attractive option.
Geezer
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Sooooo, where do we get those EPA marker stamping thingies? B)
zip
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This is exactly the kind of thinking this problem needs.
If you will, please go now and solve the auto manufacturing crisis!
evil_henchman
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Forest Rangers and even minimum wage seasonal workers at OHV parks in California have and use decibel meters and they pay for themselves really quick with the fines they hand out so I don't think it's and expense thing. Once city cops see the revenue possibilities they'll be on board. Oops, did I write that out loud?
FWIW, I think the 96 decibel law in California forest lands is a great idea. Few things ruin a quiet time in the woods like ass holes with loud pipes :angry: 
mattster31
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Perhaps it's a way of targeting HD bikes, without directly targeting HD bikes. If ya know what I mean. I am not a fan of loud pipes myself (regardless of the manufacturer or the bike they are on) especially when I am riding behind them. Although, I did mount a Flowmaster muffler on my Dodge Dakota and it sounds cool!!!!
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wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
I don't understand what cat-back has to do with EPA. The muffler is not an emissions device. Standard slipons therefore have nothing to do with emissions, so how would the EPA even certify them? That's how it's done on cars, anyway. And cars can have louder-than-stock exhausts perfectly legally.
"Louder-than-stock" should not be the yardstick.
You put straight pipes on a bike that's got a catalytic converter, then you're messin' with EPA stuff. It's no more legal on a bike than it is on a car.
"Louder-than-stock" should not be the yardstick.
You put straight pipes on a bike that's got a catalytic converter, then you're messin' with EPA stuff. It's no more legal on a bike than it is on a car.
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dcarver
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Tell me again where I can buy an EPA certified muffler for my 1962 BMW R600?
Exactly. I can't even buy OEM pipes anymore. :angry2:
The real fix is issue free ear plugs to everyone not liking loud pipes. Then tell them party poopers to stuff it in their ear!
BTW - not everyone likes the sound your inline-four cylinder FJR produces. So eleminate Dale Walker, Muzzy, etc. exhaust systems or pay the heavy fine + confiscation. No stamp, you lose your ride. By-bye!
Too easily we point the gun on the 'other fellow' but don't like it when pointed at us. Just sayin'.
That's what makes Iggies idea a good one. Don't break out the shotgun when a .22 will do. Select the genuine noise offenders, make them pay, let me keep my aftermarket and quiet and efficient system.
.02 worth, for FREE to day, because it's FRIDAY!
Exactly. I can't even buy OEM pipes anymore. :angry2:
The real fix is issue free ear plugs to everyone not liking loud pipes.
Then tell them party poopers to stuff it in their ear!BTW - not everyone likes the sound your inline-four cylinder FJR produces. So eleminate Dale Walker, Muzzy, etc. exhaust systems or pay the heavy fine + confiscation. No stamp, you lose your ride. By-bye!
Too easily we point the gun on the 'other fellow' but don't like it when pointed at us. Just sayin'.
That's what makes Iggies idea a good one. Don't break out the shotgun when a .22 will do. Select the genuine noise offenders, make them pay, let me keep my aftermarket and quiet and efficient system.
.02 worth, for FREE to day, because it's FRIDAY!
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