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I'm finally going to get a GPS for the bike. I have a BT helmet, and use it for music. Please give me your comments on 550, 660, or ?

TIA

Greg

Sorry, should have put 500 or 660

 
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The zumo 550 has proved a worthy companion on the 5+ years I have had it. Entertainment xm radio if you order the xm service ,the phone function, the xm weather. Easy routing, points of interest, and the cool left hand buttons. 600 series did away with them. It is a good all around machine.

 
The zumo 550 has proved a worthy companion on the 5+ years I have had it. Entertainment xm radio if you order the xm service ,the phone function, the xm weather. Easy routing, points of interest, and the cool left hand buttons. 600 series did away with them. It is a good all around machine.
I just don't know if the buttons make it easier, or is touch screen easier? Anyone who has had both feel free to chime in!

 
The 550 and the older Streetpilots all have buttons AND touch screens. In general, they are slightly faster than a touchscreen alone for toggling menu and map views, but I would not consider it a deal breaker. The Zumo 660 is newer technology and has faster response and satellite acquisition. It is a smaller more compact unit and has a few extra features for on-highway navigation. The BT system is much more robust and is in stereo. If you really plan to sync a BT helmet and phone through the GPS the 660 is a better choice for that reason alone. The 550 is a robust unit, and has been reliable for most. It is an older design and the fact of the matter is, older Garmins are better Garmins. Don't believe it? Check out how many people use Streetpilots and other older designs because they have better mapping features and more flexibility in routing.

For what you have described as your objective (pairing your BT helmet), get the 660 or 665 if XM is in you future..

 
I have had a 550 for 4+ years. Love it except when the digitizer died. I replaced it for about $60 by ordering a new one from China and replacing it myself. Easy for anybody who can use a screw driver. :)

I have become so reliant on the thing I don't bother to carry a map. Not always a good move especially when I was on the Vstrom dual sporting in central Idaho - duh!

On to your question as to which to buy. Garmin has a nice comparo screen - check it out .

Go to Zumo forum to learn all things Zumo. As with most web sites use your own judgement - there are some real novices here as well as some very sharp folks.

Issues with the 550:



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  • Here is a list of Zumo 550 issues. The one that really "bugs" me is there is no way to adjust the estimated arrival time to suit your riding speed/style. I think on the LD guys must work for Garmin cause the only way you will get to the destination on time is never ever stop!
  • Additionally the Zumo will not simply display/follow a track (aka bread crumb). Instead one must import the track as a route thereby destroying the track. The import process uses the installed maps. Heaven help you if you don't have the same maps as what is on the track. This is not a problem for most FJR riders and those that stay on pavement. Those using the Zumo for dual sport riding are screwed to the point of needing a different GPS. Garmin quit making the 478 a few years ago and some consider it a gold standard of GPS - go ahead try to find one!
  • Once three of us with $2400 worth of GPS gear sat at an intersection debating which way to go - the damn things were routing us in a circle.
  • I have heard the GPS 550 is no longer supported by Garmin - they still sell 'em but I don't know that they are updating the GPS firmware anymore.
     



Actually the 500/600 series are likely the best on-road motorcycle GPS you an get.

 
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Thanks for the insights. I'm leaning towards the 550. I can actually sync my phone and MP3 directly to my BT helmet, so I don't think I need a 660. I know I don't post much, but again, the forum members here are fantastic! :p

 
Both models have warts - but IMO the 660 has more warts than the 550 so from my perspective you will have made the right choice given the limited subset of available product you are considering.

The BT implementation on the Zumo 550 is slightly less anal than the one on the 660, though the 550 doesn't support A2DP (Stereo) BT connections. The screen on the 550 is also slightly more readable in direct sunlight than the 660's (though none beats out the old GPSMAP 276/376 series)

If they haven't changed things the 550 also has better zoomed-out resolution - you can see secondary streets to 1.2km zoom where the 660 stops showing side streets and such beyond 500 meters . . . it make s a huge difference once you leave town.

Both models will allow you to route your Bluetooth through the navigator and on to your headset - the only other Garmin model that allows this is/was the Nuvi 765.

As to not supporting the Zumo 550 - they do. But it is nearing end-of-life and has somewhat limited memory.

 
Can anyone confirm that either the 550 or the 600 will:

1. Import a Google Map route that I have created? I trick Google maps into choosing the twisty/scenic route by keeping my destination points very close together. I desperately want to get this into my next GPS - then just follow the route.

2. Allow me to navigate to a City WITHOUT having to enter any Street Name or Number? Often, while in BFE, I don't know any Street names - I just want to go to the city.

Thanks.

 
Can anyone confirm that either the 550 or the 600 will:

2. Allow me to navigate to a City WITHOUT having to enter any Street Name or Number? Often, while in BFE, I don't know any Street names - I just want to go to the city.

Thanks.
HAVE HAD MY 550 FOR 7 YRS (I think)with 2 replacement screen/diitizers...that said:

my method is to hit WHERE TO, NEAR, A DIFFERENT CITY, city desired, FOOD LODGING, FUEL, AUTO FUEL, and pick the closest one and head for that.

works well for me & am sure would for any gps unit

 
I like my 550,and it has been through a 30mph mounting drop(my fault) and a freeway crash.

Durability is awesome.

It still works, just installed a new screen digitizer.

My buddy just bought a bike with one (550) on it and wants me to sell it for him;

he has no interest in a gps on his new to him HD.

I love the features of the 550. Works great with the Scala rider and plays very well with

my HTC Sensation 4G phone. I can make calls, take calls and ignore calls all with the screen

display.

The only drawback to the 550 is the paltry mp3 music playback through the Scala is not that great.

 
I have had a 550 for about four years.

It will import routes from Mapquest, I don't use Google Maps, but if it works with one........ it probably works with the other?

It does NOt fix an arrival time as mentioned earlier, it continually estimates a new arrival time based on the current average of speed.

It has BT but I don't use so no feedback on BT.

 
I've had a 550 for 3 years, It's worked great all this time. Some issues as stated by others, but again, it's been reliable for me.

 
The zumo 550 has proved a worthy companion on the 5+ years I have had it. Entertainment xm radio if you order the xm service ,the phone function, the xm weather. Easy routing, points of interest, and the cool left hand buttons. 600 series did away with them. It is a good all around machine.
I just don't know if the buttons make it easier, or is touch screen easier? Anyone who has had both feel free to chime in!
I skipped the 550 and went straight from a 2820 to a 665. The reason I did it was that the weather you get on the 665 has the doppler radar map like the 475. It is really pretty cool. If you are riding around and there is rain, snow, extreme weather etc. within about 20 miles of you, it will give a alarm and a message like "Rain detected in area". You push one icon on the screen and goes to the weather screen and shows where you are in relation to the weather. If you are following a route, it will show the route on the weather map.

The larger screen is really nice, and you actually see a lot more of what is around you than the 550. It does however have one major drawback that I cannot live with. Garmin has promised to fix it, but that have not yet. Some people may not see it as a issue at all. If you download say 20 waypoints from the Mapsource software they become invisible if you zoom out to 2.0 miles or more. They only appear when you zoom in to 1.2 miles or closer. This makes it pretty worthless for using in rallies. It is really too bad because some of the other features for mapping are much better than the 2820 was. For instance if you want to add a waypoint to a route you can simply pick the point from the list, tell it to "go to" and it asks if you want to add it to the current route, or create a new one. If you choose add it to the current route, it automatically puts it in the correct spot. On the 2820 you had to open the route, choose to edit the route, choose add or edit waypoints, choose the waypoint you wanted to add, then you would have to run route optimize to get it put in the correct spot.

Overall it is a great unit, even with the fatal flaw. If they get that fixed it will really be the only GPS you could ever need. I really like that it knows if it is in the car or on the bike by the mount. Hopefully they will get the software fixed soon.

 
Can anyone confirm that either the 550 or the 600 will:

1. Import a Google Map route that I have created? I trick Google maps into choosing the twisty/scenic route by keeping my destination points very close together. I desperately want to get this into my next GPS - then just follow the route.

2. Allow me to navigate to a City WITHOUT having to enter any Street Name or Number? Often, while in BFE, I don't know any Street names - I just want to go to the city.

Thanks.
I don't see a way to download a Google Map into a GPS. The GPS only takes certain type of file, on the Garmin it is a .gdb file. You can open some other files that can be used like .gpx, .txt, .mps and .dfx in Mapsource and then download them into the GPS. I looked at Google Maps and it appears that it only saves the routes as a web page. As far as I know you cannot download that into any kind of a device.

As for going to a city without putting in a address, any Garmin GPS I've every seen will do that. Without a specific address, it will pick some place that it determines to be the center of the town or city and use that for a location. For instance, it shows San Jose CA at a point on E. Santa Clara St. between 4th and 5th streets.

 
I skipped the 550 and went straight from a 2820 to a 665. The reason I did it was that the weather you get on the 665 has the doppler radar map like the 475. It is really pretty cool. If you are riding around and there is rain, snow, extreme weather etc. within about 20 miles of you, it will give a alarm and a message like "Rain detected in area". You push one icon on the screen and goes to the weather screen and shows where you are in relation to the weather. If you are following a route, it will show the route on the weather map.
The larger screen is really nice, and you actually see a lot more of what is around you than the 550. It does however have one major drawback that I cannot live with. Garmin has promised to fix it, but that have not yet. Some people may not see it as a issue at all. If you download say 20 waypoints from the Mapsource software they become invisible if you zoom out to 2.0 miles or more. They only appear when you zoom in to 1.2 miles or closer. This makes it pretty worthless for using in rallies. It is really too bad because some of the other features for mapping are much better than the 2820 was. For instance if you want to add a waypoint to a route you can simply pick the point from the list, tell it to "go to" and it asks if you want to add it to the current route, or create a new one. If you choose add it to the current route, it automatically puts it in the correct spot. On the 2820 you had to open the route, choose to edit the route, choose add or edit waypoints, choose the waypoint you wanted to add, then you would have to run route optimize to get it put in the correct spot.
How much area the screen shows is a direct function of the zoom level - though for any particular zoom level ther larger screen on the 660/665 will show more map (not that it means anything since most people display track-up which is the same vertical size) and in any case the larger screen only shows more area if you have the data fields deselected (more map), which isn't a negative, but rather an observation - however since screen details are lacking on the 660/665 when zoomed past 500 meters (about 1/3 mile) while the 550 shows those details zoomed out to 1.2 km (3/4 mile) you get to see those roads when there's 3 times as much area showing on the 550's screen than on the 660/665 - a VERY significant difference.

IMO there's no point in seeing more 'area' if they force you to zoom in so tight that you can actually see farther down the road than you can depict on the map without leaving out all the streets and roads that might be interesting to look at when you are riding around.

As to the weather; Note that it is a subscription option requiring XM for both navigators; The 665 comes with the antenna and provides what I understand is a more advanced display experience; However when I'm on the road I simply use my weather rock (Google it if you don't know what that is). I had MSN Direct (shutting down Jan 1) on my Zumo 550 and have a traffic receiver on my bike with the Zumo 660 (you can probably add the traffic receiver to a Zumo 550 as well, but I've not tried).

Importing routes from Google will require that you convert them using a program on your PC. I do suggest installing speed camera and red ight camera Proximity POI files on whatever navigator you ultimately choose.

 
Can anyone confirm that either the 550 or the 600 will:

1. Import a Google Map route that I have created? I trick Google maps into choosing the twisty/scenic route by keeping my destination points very close together. I desperately want to get this into my next GPS - then just follow the route.

2. Allow me to navigate to a City WITHOUT having to enter any Street Name or Number? Often, while in BFE, I don't know any Street names - I just want to go to the city.

Thanks.
I have 660 and I am most of the time pretty happy with it. The biggest inconvenience is that if I link it with my Sena intercom, the gps instructions have a priority over the intercom talk with my wife on the back seat. It has happened few times in busy places where the gps tells me to go straight or something and then I miss what my wife has just told me. She of course does not know that my device had temporarily switched to gps instructions, so that I get regularly accused for not listening to what she says... :eek:

1. If you import a route from Google Maps, you only get the starting and finishing points imported, but no other points on your route. So your gps will calculate its own route which not necessarily matches with your ideas.

2. On 660 you can opt for a city and its center, that's what I normally use and it really gets you to the very center of the city.

 
The 550 is more durable and easier to use because of the buttons. Mono BT is the only sacrifice. You can get lifetime maps from Garmin for $89 (less 10%) and you'll be good to go. I got a firmware update on mine via the web earlier this year so I think they are still supporting it.

Be sure to check out the classifies on this board when you are ready to buy.

PJ

 
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