NFL Quarterback in m/c crash

[Groo]

I'd like to see those reports, cause all i can see on the dozen or so stories is that he has injuries to his face and jaw

I said "From all the reports I've read, every serious injury he sustained was ... drumroll please... to his head."... are your face and jaw not attached to your head? :huh:

... dont see how wearing an approved DOT open face helmet could have prevented those injuries...

I agree, which is why I've stated multiple times that a full face helmet would have most likely done the trick. Just cause it has a DOT sticker on it doesn't mean there's a force field in the front of an open face helmet.... :huh:

... that I think the root cause of the accident is the cagers inability to keep in her own lane and give way to other traffic. Dumb me. Guess helmets can stop that too. :glare:

It does appear she turned left and he hit the front of her car. I'm sure the authorities will figure out what happened and she'll have her day in court. Just curious, if it turns out he was running a red, and she had a green turn signal, does your opinion change? Because if that's the case, my opinion that he should have been wearing a full face helmet is still the same....

 

[Feejer/Weejer man]

How careful can you be? But wearing a helmet probably would have helped his injuries not to be as severe.

From all the reports I've read, every serious injury he sustained was ... drumroll please... to his head. :dribble:

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I'd like to see those reports, cause all i can see on the dozen or so stories is that he has injuries to his face and jaw...dont see how wearing an approved DOT open face helmet could have prevented those injuries...but, in your defense, i am a dumb **** who is so confused that I think the root cause of the accident is the cagers inability to keep in her own lane and give way to other traffic. Dumb me. Guess helmets can stop that too. :glare:

Excuse me but it seems you just want to argue. A full face helmet would have maybe eliminated the need for 7 hours of surgery. A DOT beanie probably not. Use commom sense and take responsibility for your actions.

 

[SouthernCruizer]

my only argument is with the fact that the REAL cause of the accident and subsequent surgery is the car turning into a motorcycles path..happens ALL THE TIME...and to shift focus to whether he chose to wear a helmet or not is ridiculous...put the responsibility on the one causing the accident,not on the victim. As long as we keep doing that, car drivers will continue to operate on our roads with total disregard for motorcyclists safety.

He was within his legal rights to not wear a helmet...the driver of the car broke the law. (I know you mentioned that she may have had a green lite and he ran the red...small possibility,but you damn well know it almost always the car that cuts left unlawfully. If he ran the lite, then its ALL on him)

Jay

'04 FJR 1300

p.s. Very disturbing ,some of the posts here that say he deserved it for not wearing the helmet. Maybe one day those posters will see what its like to have a helmet on, yet lose a leg from the same type accident, then we'll see if they change their opinion

 

[exskibum]

my only argument is with the fact that the REAL cause of the accident and subsequent surgery is the car turning into a motorcycles path..happens ALL THE TIME...and to shift focus to whether he chose to wear a helmet or not is ridiculous...put the responsibility on the one causing the accident,not on the victim. As long as we keep doing that, car drivers will continue to operate on our roads with total disregard for motorcyclists safety.
He was within his legal rights to not wear a helmet...the driver of the car broke the law. (I know you mentioned that she may have had a green lite and he ran the red...small possibility,but you damn well know it almost always the car that cuts left unlawfully. If he ran the lite, then its ALL on him)

Jay

'04 FJR 1300

p.s. Very disturbing ,some of the posts here that say he deserved it for not wearing the helmet. Maybe one day those posters will see what its like to have a helmet on, yet lose a leg from the same type accident, then we'll see if they change their opinion

Jay:

With all due respect, not all of us are stupid and don't need to be preached at. Maybe that's not what you're intending, but that's the way it reads; either that, or you do want to start a confrontation. There are only words on the net without the inflections we'd be communicating over a beer. Keep in mind that some of us reading this have been riding longer than you have, are serious and educated riders, and some even got through our youths riding without helmets or gear and sometimes while drunk. Some of us read the Hurt report back when it was first released around '78. You want to start a thread on the primary causes of motorcycle accidents, maybe even use statistics like Dr. Hurt's, I'm all for it and will read it. But it's been done before -- maybe before you joined, and the helmet law issue has also been done to death. People disagree on some of the issues, and some of us who don't favor helmet laws have come around, over years of riding, to have decided that even if there is no helmet law, we'll wear them anyway because we think it's the smart thing to do. That act or perspective, BTW, is NOT a challenge to your rights or intelligence.

 

[v65]

Hate to take this in a different direction, but I just read the times news story https://sports.aol.com/nfl/story_nodrambuie...612123009990001 (might require a login) and I am pissed. These stupid fuckers are making this all about Big Ben and completely, and I mean completely ignoring the fact that this women turned in front of him. As expected they sensationalize the story instead of pointing out the fact that cagers need to be educated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'busa with no helmet = bad, but read the stories again. The NY Times is very anti-biker in my opinion.

Oh yeah there is a poll to go with it, latest results:

Should Roethlisberger have been riding his motorcycle?

Yes 54%

No 46%

Should pro sports ban athletes from motorcycle riding?

No 64%

Yes 36%

Should he have been riding his motorcycle? fucksticks

 

[SouthernCruizer]

Sorry if you feel like i was trying to preach to you skibum...thats not my intent at all...i dont know anyones history of riding, and I really dont think its relevant. Whether you just started riding yesterday, or have been riding(road bikes) practically every single day of the year for 32+ years like i have (gotta luv the yr round riding weather here in south Louisiana), the fact is, cars killing and maiming bikers has been an on going problem for years and is only getting worse, and shifting focus to what gear the rider had on when he was mowed down only negates the actions of the car driver. Kinda like blaming the Twinkies you ate for lunch for the killing of your entire family when you went postal.

Anywho, I'm done with this topic...hope the guy recovers, hope the driver loses her license ,and hope all have a safe and good riding season.

Jay

'04 FJR 1300

 

[exskibum]

Jay:

I long ago gave up on the media to do justice to a lot of stories. IMO, they too often fail to educate themselves about a topic, and they predictably write a story that will titilate to the maximum extent possible, or at least, resonate with cultural biases. That's one of the reasons I agree so thoroughly with what GunMD posted in another one of these parallel Roethlisberger threads: either way, it's bad for motorcycling.

Because I don't trust the accuracy of many media reports, I really don't know the facts upon which to guess at apportionment of fault in this case. How could one not be pessimistic about how it'll get played, though? All you gotta do is recall the case in South Dakota with ******* Janklow to know that motorcyclists and motorcycling usually get the short end of the stick in media coverage and uninformed public opinion (and connected politicians always seem to be held to a lesser standard than the rest of us). On the positive side, it was either Minnesota or Wisconsin that very recently passed motorcycle friendly legislation upping penalties for right of way violations and requiring motorcycle awareness to be a part of traffic schools and licensing. It's a start.

For all we know, Ben's biggest sin may have been a failure to fully appreciate that they're out to get us and be even more defensive in watching for the random but predictable stupidity before it happens.

Peace.

 

[Woodstock]

How careful can you be? But wearing a helmet probably would have helped his injuries not to be as severe.

From all the reports I've read, every serious injury he sustained was ... drumroll please... to his head. :dribble:

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I'd like to see those reports, cause all i can see on the dozen or so stories is that he has injuries to his face and jaw...dont see how wearing an approved DOT open face helmet could have prevented those injuries...but, in your defense, i am a dumb **** who is so confused that I think the root cause of the accident is the cagers inability to keep in her own lane and give way to other traffic. Dumb me. Guess helmets can stop that too. :glare:

And that's because you've seen the accident report? Or because bikers can never be at fault?

Or because many times the cage is at fault that means that the cage was at fault in this case as well?

And, yes, if he was wearing a DOT approved half-lid thing, I'd still call him an *****. (remember, that's just an opinion)

 

[GunMD]

I don't want to post the same thing here as I did in the other Ben thread, but here's a link:

My take on Ben's bash

 

[Woodstock]

I don't want to post the same thing here as I did in the other Ben thread, but here's a link:
My take on Ben's bash

+1. Completely agree.

 

[mech 1 twa]

I heard some reports Ben doesn't have motorcycle license.

Don't know if its true. I'm sure the media will let us know.

 

[Feejer/Weejer man]

Its too bad accidents happen. But in my opinion according to Murphy is that "What can will go wrong." So if you choose not to wear protective gear then be ready to pay the consequences. I don't see anyone on the tracks not wearing protective gear from helmets to fire suits. It has saved many of lives. So if she is at fault for the accident Ben has to take responsibility that he didn' wear protective gear and now has 7 hours of surgery to prove it.

 

[Woodstock]

I heard some reports Ben doesn't have motorcycle license. Don't know if its true. I'm sure the media will let us know.

Yep, saw that on ESPN, and, if true, means that it was also illegal for him to ride sans helmet.

The one quote from him that really shows he's just immature was where he said "Obviously Pennsylvania doesn't think people need to [wear a helmet]". No Ben, PA thinks that you should be free to make your own stupid decisions. This is why we have so many laws trying to legislate people to be smart. Because too many people think if it's not illegal it must be safe/ok. Unfortunately, Ben's position on this issue is going to fuel that kind of thinking even more.

 

[Mike-H]

Woodstock....your the man.... :yahoo:

 

[odot]

Regardless....I am going to keep drinking and riding. All I have to say is...."get out of my way".

 

[SouthernCruizer]

Regardless....I am going to keep drinking and riding. All I have to say is...."get out of my way".

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I'll drink to that!