Thanks Jefe, that explains a lot. But OM doesn't want you to take this topic off-topic by mentioning or showing chiseled pecs.Mick, this is a pic of a younger and more virile SacramentoMike on the left, before his beard and hair turned gray!In the shuttle ride in the bed of Ray's truck to the cookout, Sac-Mike's thingh was against my leg. Felt chiseled to me....Your chiseled pecs. straining against the combed cotton. will distract everyone.....(And I bet I wear that shirt till it's tatters and rags and nobody else will ever notice.)