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Click on this link, then go to Yamaha section... about $200. Has anyone tried this?

https://www.techlusion.us/
Yes, and it could not be easier. No computer required. Setting the "pots" is simple and I feel like I have a completely different bike. Smooth throttle response. You can cruise in first or second at 1500 rpm with no lean issues. There is no lean surging while cruising on the highway. Safer in that you cannot take fuel away, only add. You cannot end up in a more lean condition than stock. I have a PCIII on another bike, and it does what it is suppose to do, but it is more expensive than than the Techlusion and demands a lot of tinkering with the laptop to load files. I certainly recommend the techlusion. My version is packaged by Dobek.

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Chip, did you also buy the plug-n-play wiring harness so that you did not have to splice the unit in? If so, how much was that?
I used the "splices" that came with it. They have been installed for 10k miles now with no problems. I was skeptical at first,,, but it has worked just fine.

 
While I asked this question in another thread, I'm hoping to get some opinions on it:

Will the PCIII have any effect on the bike when it comes to "codes" that may appear?

Meaning, if I take my bike in for service, should I remove the PCIII? I ask this because (1) you're removing the O2 sensor and (2) "adjusting" the settings of the bike.

I like what I'm reading about the PCIII but I don't want to do anything to "void" my Y.E.S. warranty because I have an aftermarket fuel map programming unit.

 
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While I asked this question in another thread, I'm hoping to get some opinions on it:
Will the PCIII have any effect on the bike when it comes to "codes" that may appear?

Meaning, if I take my bike in for service, should I remove the PCIII? I ask this because (1) you're removing the O2 sensor and (2) "adjusting" the settings of the bike.

I like what I'm reading about the PCIII but I don't want to do anything to "void" my Y.E.S. warranty because I have an aftermarket fuel map programming unit.
Scan up in this thread. WC already answered this question.

No error codes with the PC installed and O2 sensor disconnected..

 
I took that to mean only when you disconnect the O2 sensor. I'm referring to "overall" when using the PCIII and ECU information the dealership might be able to see/detect.

 
Click on this link, then go to Yamaha section... about $200. Has anyone tried this?

https://www.techlusion.us/
Yes, and it could not be easier. No computer required. Setting the "pots" is simple and I feel like I have a completely different bike. Smooth throttle response. You can cruise in first or second at 1500 rpm with no lean issues. There is no lean surging while cruising on the highway. Safer in that you cannot take fuel away, only add. You cannot end up in a more lean condition than stock. I have a PCIII on another bike, and it does what it is suppose to do, but it is more expensive than than the Techlusion and demands a lot of tinkering with the laptop to load files. I certainly recommend the techlusion. My version is packaged by Dobek.

:)
Chip, did you also buy the plug-n-play wiring harness so that you did not have to splice the unit in? If so, how much was that?
I used the "splices" that came with it. They have been installed for 10k miles now with no problems. I was skeptical at first,,, but it has worked just fine.
If I understand correctly, the splices amount to Scotchlocks? If so, I'd fear corrosion at the junction over the long run. If that's the case, I suggest covering the junction with Liquid 'Lectric tape.... or similar... generally available at Autozone or the marine/sports section of big box retailers... or a marine store.

 
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>>No error codes with the PC installed and O2 sensor disconnected..,,

I'm trying to think whether my bike has any throttle issues worth disconnecting the pollution controls. Of that I am not sure...

 
If it aint broke, why fix it? Don't drop $260 bucks just to be like others.

If you have issues (like adding high flow exhaust, or extra snatchy throttle), it's great to have solutions.

The splice in connectors are sealed mates to the OE connectors. Zero risk of corrosion (except for oxidation of the disconnected O2 probes)

 
I took that to mean only when you disconnect the O2 sensor. I'm referring to "overall" when using the PCIII and ECU information the dealership might be able to see/detect.
Most dealers, at least the one's around here, sell and install the PCIII themselves. If they lift the seat they will see the PCIII, so chances are they will know if you have installed a PCIII if they service the bike.

Why don't you ask your dealer if installing a PCIII will/would void the warranty?

Easy answer :)

 
With the throttle pulley mod & the PC now installed it is excellent of idle & all thru the range smoothness. Probably just PC would do it but will keep both mods for now...

When I hooked up the PC ground to battery with my Autocomm also grounded to battery I now get rpm whine noise on my Sirius radio......No whine thru Sirius if not used with AC, so AC is the culprit. Wondering if I can just move my PC ground to frame and connect it battery ground if I want to use laptop with it...?

 
I like the philosophy of our much mileaged administrator Skooter. If it ain't broke don't fix it. My 06A has had only one instance on the Hwy 36 ride where it started to phase out on power in a tight turn and didn't want to regain for a few seconds. Probablly most atributed to a low idle setting. Right now any component to alter the fuel map is null and void. No stalls, pulsing or surging at any speed. There are a slight buzz now and then, never at any consistant rpm, and never a bother, but thats just the personality of the bike. I use mid-grade gas and get low to mid fortys around town and mid forty's to low fifties on the road. Don't feel the need for an exhaust system. Like the quiet compared to the HD and the comparo tests didn't impress me enough. Did the spring mod and added a set of Grip Puppies and Wild Bill pegs, thats it. Maybe in the future things could change but for now, gadgets for the dash and still modifying the seat to perfection to do. And bigger window and cruise-control someday...until then just ride. PM. <><

 
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I had no symptoms either except hard to control off idle in tight twisties, the PC made it smoother than expected thruout power band....

 
I like the philosophy of our much mileaged administrator Skooter. If it ain't broke don't fix it. My 06A has had only one instance on the Hwy 36 ride where it started to phase out on power in a tight turn and didn't want to regain for a few seconds. Probablly most atributed to a low idle setting. Right now any component to alter the fuel map is null and void. No stalls, pulsing or surging at any speed. There are a slight buzz now and then, never at any consistant rpm, and never a bother, but thats just the personality of the bike. I use mid-grade gas and get low to mid fortys around town and mid forty's to low fifties on the road. Don't feel the need for an exhaust system. Like the quiet compared to the HD and the comparo tests didn't impress me enough. Did the spring mod and added a set of Grip Puppies and Wild Bill pegs, thats it. Maybe in the future things could change but for now, gadgets for the dash and still modifying the seat to perfection to do. And bigger window and cruise-control someday...until then just ride. PM. <><

I would say you are right. You don't appear to have any of the nasty symptoms which those of us less fortunates have had. Believe me, I would have much preferred not spending the money. I would have really like to avoid tipping over when the engine stalled, due to the quirky off-idle problem. The only other mod I could envision that might have prevented it would be if I could add 3 inches to my arms and legs and take 20 years off the body. :p But those of us less fortunate must make due.

BTW, I think it was scooter that advised me to forget all the mods and just put a PCIII on the bike. He was right. :dribble: :)

LC

 
Could someone post a copy (picture) of the dynojet map for the o6 FJR in grid form so I can see where it richens and/or leans out the mixture? Not the Zero map obviously. I'm just curious.

I downloaded the map but can't read it without their software.

 
Here is a link to download the software.

You can always uninstall it. Not that big anyway.

Dowload the 1 for the usb version.

Software.

Zoltan

 
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What follows is a long drink of cool water for me. So, if it's in the wrong forum, or a duplicate thread then just deal with it. :dribble: :blink: :p But it's been a long, hard, EXPENSIVE two months since I bought my unblemished, only slightly used (700 miles. Now 3200 miles) So, I'm celebrating. Sue me. :D :D :yahoo: B) :rolleyes: :) B) B) B)

Man oh man, what an improvement. I’ve just installed a PCIII on my 2006 FJR 1300A. Now, I love this bike but I’ve had serious issues with the herky-jerky throttle coming off idle. It was most dangerous during slow, parking lot maneuvers. In fact, I bought it new and when I test-drove it I noticed it had a real bad tendency to “kill” when starting off from stop signs/lights. I wrote it off to inexperience with the clutch, etc. Within the first 2 weeks of ownership it stalled 3 times while I was making slow, short radius 180 degree turns. Each time it stalled about a third of the way around just as I was getting well leaned over. The result was a “tip-over” each time causing great anguish/embarrassment, etc. Not to mention scratching up my almost new FJR without a scratch on it when I purchased it.

So, being a person with short appendages (arms and legs) and being almost a seasoned senior citizen I had a multitude of problems with the bike. Throttle spring too strong, needed more rise and pullback and needed a lower seat or longer legs, etc. But the thing I needed most was to smooth out the herky/jerky throttle coming off of idle. The driveline lash was also annoying but a direct result of the throttle problem.

I did the spring mod, removed any slack in throttle cable and did the Barbarian mod. I put grip puppies on because there was also a lot of vibration coming through the grips, especially above 4-5,000 rpm’s All this helped but didn’t eliminate the problems. I also noticed very definite “surging” at freeway speeds.

When one starts to add up all the “little problems” I was having, it started to make quite a long list. Oh yeah and I want a bigger windshield too!

Well, I decided my next mod was going to have to be the PCIII. The reviews and reports by those putting one on were very positive, especially on the 2006. Well, just installed it and took it for ride along the same route of my daily commute. I figured I would “notice” any differences or improvements (or lack thereof) along that route. It also encompassed city stop and go driving as well as high speed freeway driving, with frequent changes in throttle.

Well, here are my first impressions:

1. The herky-jerky throttle coming off idle is gone! I couldn’t make it stall on startup even when I tried. The throttle is very precise and can be applied in miniscule increments. I can start up, let the clutch out more rapidly, to the point of the engine rattling because of being lugged…and still not stall the engine. It is a joy to use. It will take me a while before I “trust” starting up from a stop without “blipping the throttle” to get the rpms up. But it doesn’t seem necessary now.

2. The buzz! What happened to the buzz? Normally I have to engage the “Vista Cruise lock within 15 minutes of starting my commute. Thereafter every 5 minutes or so was necessary to keep my right hand from going completely numb. On this round trip to my work location back home, about 50 miles, I only engaged the lock a few times, and then only as a “precaution”. I didn’t want a “numb” right hand while negotiating certain freeway interchanges. My impression is that the buzz is much more subdued and less bothersome. Maybe I won’t need that expensive triple tree and risers after all. Or, at least it can wait till I’m doing more touring, rather than commuting.

3. My fuel economy seems to be better. I had run the tank down to make it easier to take it off. Burning off the fuel was accomplished yesterday making some “high speed” runs on the interstate causing my average mpg to drop to about 27 mpg. Normally its been running around 32 mpg. I have an explanation. (Officer) In CA the average speed on the freeways starts at 70-75 and goes up from there. I sometimes use the awesome acceleration of the FJR to find a nice quiet spot amongst all those cars. This requires a lot of fuel and is fun to boot. So, I’m only averaging 31-33 mpg. On my short 50-60 mile circuit the average mpg went from the 27 mpg to 35 mpg. Quite an improvement, considering I was varying the throttle and gearing to get a feel for the changes in the way the bike ran, post PCIII. I’m anxious to see if there is any improvement commuting to work next week. My hunch is there will be.

4. The surging has gone away. When I first got the FJR I thought it was just “wind gusts” that were jerking me around. I started to get a little suspicious when I noticed that on some days there actually was no wind but it still felt like I was taking some gusts and slowing/speeding down/up (surging). I confirmed it after applying the Vista Cruise lock and the bike surged with my hand off the throttle. Noticeable especially in 4th and 5th gears at 70-75 with the lock engaged. Well, while it is not quite gone, it is greatly reduced and doesn’t “rock” me back and forth like it used to. I think a simple TBS will eliminate it completely

5. With all these improvements, I may not need risers. This is a very pleasant surprise and very welcome. The bike is most comfortable now commuting around town. I can delay any such improvement till next summer and maybe add a real cruise control for my travels after retirement.

6. Performance/acceleration seems to be the same. It is just a much smoother, well mannered machine now. I realize it might be morphing into something more like a ST1300 (dirty word), I don’t know. But the improvements are like night and day to me. I might add very welcome ones to boot.

That’s my take on it. All and all the very first thing I should have done. Well, I guess they weren’t available, so I can’t blame myself too much for “waiting this long” to do the PCIII. You guys are right, It’s the FI mapping, stupid me. Bigger grips help, but only treat the symptom. The PCIII is the cure. IMHO.

LC

Hey Last Chance. Great review! I also have the 2006 A. Which map did you use for the power commander? Did you try a few different maps or just the one from dynojet? Thanks.

 
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What follows is a long drink of cool water for me. So, if it's in the wrong forum, or a duplicate thread then just deal with it. :dribble: :blink: :p But it's been a long, hard, EXPENSIVE two months since I bought my unblemished, only slightly used (700 miles. Now 3200 miles) So, I'm celebrating. Sue me. :D :D :yahoo: B) :rolleyes: :) B) B) B)

Man oh man, what an improvement. I’ve just installed a PCIII on my 2006 FJR 1300A. LC
Great write up, and very pleased for you. To risk wheeling out an old boring saga, I got a complete refund from Yamaha on an 06, as did another UK rider for the same reasons.

I now own an 05 which we were lucky enough to get brand new in March 07. This has symptoms but not near as bad as the 06.

I now know what to do if I get too fed up of it.

 
:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :rolleyes: :D :yahoo: :yahoo:
What follows is a long drink of cool water for me. So, if it's in the wrong forum, or a duplicate thread then just deal with it. :dribble: :blink: :p But it's been a long, hard, EXPENSIVE two months since I bought my unblemished, only slightly used (700 miles. Now 3200 miles) So, I'm celebrating. Sue me. :D :D :yahoo: B) :rolleyes: :) B) B) B)

Man oh man, what an improvement. I’ve just installed a PCIII on my 2006 FJR 1300A. LC
Great write up, and very pleased for you. To risk wheeling out an old boring saga, I got a complete refund from Yamaha on an 06, as did another UK rider for the same reasons.

I now own an 05 which we were lucky enough to get brand new in March 07. This has symptoms but not near as bad as the 06.

I now know what to do if I get too fed up of it.
Since then I've added the ErGo throttle tube and that also made a big difference to me.

I enjoy you posts from the UK and wish you luck with yours also.

LC

 
After getting my 07 2 wks ago I noticed the poor fueling and notchy throttle response. I took it to the dealer who add installed two brothers racing pipes already. I explained the problem and they kept it for 2 days. When I picked it up it was alot better. I asked what they did and they said they adjusted the CO from the dash computer. They had called Yamaha and they had them add 28 to each cylinder. :blink: :dribble: , and something else. I'll have to see on the work order and post it. I had already planned on installing a PClll but now I don't think I will. Its running really well. I did do the G2 throttle and grip puppies as well.

Glenn

 
This is a problem Yamaha should address and fix. I own an 07 FJR. The problem is Yamaha has leaned out the Fuel Injection to meet the new Emission Standards. The Power Commander isn't the cure. Yamaha should fix the problem before it sells the bike. The Power Commander will add fuel and help with the problem, but it also opens up a new set of problems. Without taking your bike down and paying someone to tune the FI system on a dyno your just guessing at the Air Fuel Ratios. Also, the dyno tune is only as good as the guy doing it. There's a bunch of people doing dyno tunes that don't know *hit about it. You can also download a map off the internet. Again, how good is it?

Been there, done all of this on Harley's. There are better systems for Harley than the Power Commander, but not much choice for the FJR. I was hoping to get away from all this when I bought a FJR.

So how do we fix it?

Rasie hell with Yamaha? I don't think we'll get anywhere.

Pay someone to tune it? More money we shouldn't have to spend. With questionable results.

Use the seat of the pants?

Spend money on a WEGO and do it ourselfs?

Anyway you do it, it'll cost money and time we shouldn't have to spend.

Remember the good ol' days when we used carbs.

 
This may be of interesr to some of you. When I got my bike 2 wks ago, on initial start up it would die if you gave it any gas until it warmed up real good.

Then I noticed the of idle stumble when taking off that everyone is talking about on the 06-07's. The bike came with Two Brothers slip ons from the get go.

I took it back to the shop (5 star) and explained the problem.

2 days later I get a call saying the bike is ready. They had called Yamaha, who told them what to do. Here's what they did

cyl 1 2 3 4

base setting 2 18 18 14

adjusted set 22 38 38 35

set the CO from .3 to 5.5

The bike is much smoother, of course I added the G2 and grip puppies as well. I don't think i'll be needing the PClll.

Glenn

 
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