Peg Scraping...

[exskibum]

I remember on the FASTER DVD, one rider that was out on a circuit at the same time as Rossi said this: (paraphrasing here) something to the effect that he thought Rossi had blown his line, and gone really wide in the beginning of the turn. Then he said the next thing he knew... Rossi came flying by him in the later part of the turn.
If that doesn't tell you a huge part of the turn is your line, nothing will!

Wouldn't it be cool if there was some way to display the metrics on those guys in corners, using a 100 traction point scale that displayed in real time: remaining traction points (out of 100), speed and elapsed time from beginning of turn to end? What an education to be able to see how the real geniuses of managing lateral traction navigate a line that makes them so fast.

In the example you mentioned about Rossi and the other rider, I bet we'd see that Rossi has a better innate sense of where he has traction points to spare, where he doesn't, how each affects choices at other points in the turn, and that his line better evens out and maximizes the amount of the envelope he is able to utilize throughout the turn. Match that traction point data with actual speeds, especially exit speed (which we probably can do technologically), and we'd really marvel that those guys are able to do what they do just by feel.

 

[azitlies]

awwww c'mon you guys! everyone deserves one "do over" don't they? just one? I'm not asking for much?

Now if I'd have said chicken strips from kfc are better then fuddruckers... I could understand why people would be pissed. And I never brought up Sonic... or Arbys... or even (heaven forbid!) Mickey Dee's!!!

So... because of my obvious good chicken strip etiquette, I'm hoping you guys can see your way to a "one time only" do over...

hopefully this tasty image will put you in the right mood

 

[ahchiu]

Nice riding, noticed the bars are way higher than the standard clipons, more like a standard riding position making it much eaiser to ride.

 

[rfulcher]

.......So what I'm saying is... it is not that easy to touch down the pegs. If your suspension is set up properly, and your tires have the proper amount of air, my experience is that you are gonna be pretty close to their (tires) max ability before the pegs are gonna touch.......

Yea, it is "that easy to touch down the pegs". With clean twisty roads and good traction an agressive FJR rider has to use proper technique to not touch a peg down

 

[ULEWZ]

I still have 1/4 inch chicken strips on my Feejr (with zero regrets), touched pegs down hard once, tightened up suspension, got shorter dog bones, adjustable pegs, and now ride the piss out of it, but still have the strips. I hang off (I just like riding that way) and can keep up with most, so saying you have no chicken strips does not impress me. Lets ride, then you can impress me when I see you are wearing the correct gear AGATT, have correct body position, and don't run across the double yellow.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[azitlies]

Wouldn't it be cool if there was some way to display the metrics on those guys in corners, using a 100 traction point scale that displayed in real time: remaining traction points (out of 100), speed and elapsed time from beginning of turn to end? What an education to be able to see how the real geniuses of managing lateral traction navigate a line that makes them so fast.

In the example you mentioned about Rossi and the other rider, I bet we'd see that Rossi has a better innate sense of where he has traction points to spare, where he doesn't, how each affects choices at other points in the turn, and that his line better evens out and maximizes the amount of the envelope he is able to utilize throughout the turn. Match that traction point data with actual speeds, especially exit speed (which we probably can do technologically), and we'd really marvel that those guys are able to do what they do just by feel.

That would be absolutely awesome! I'd say from the races I've watched I'd have to guess these guys are at 97, 98, 99? for most of the corners? It's kind of amazing to think about that, to consistently get to that point, but not go over...

Great Idea! you could sell that

 

[azitlies]

I still have 1/4 inch chicken strips on my Feejr (with zero regrets), touched pegs down hard once, tightened up suspension, got shorter dog bones, adjustable pegs, and now ride the piss out of it, but still have the strips. I hang off (I just like riding that way) and can keep up with most, so saying you have no chicken strips does not impress me. Lets ride, then you can impress me when I see you are wearing the correct gear AGATT, have correct body position, and don't run across the double yellow.

Just my 2 cents.

oh boy... can i get that do over? please? this is exactly the sort of completely unintended crap I was trying to avoid... sheeeesus

 

[exskibum]

Great Idea! you could sell that

Yeah -- IF I had any earthly idea how to measure and display real time traction points (a measure of lateral traction available and how much of it is used).

Reminds me of the problem noted near the beginning of the movie "Envy" -- a marketable idea and the ability to execute it are two different things. :blink:

 

[CAJW]

The only thing this thread needs now is Ranch Dressing!

 

[HawkWing]

For my skill level and taste, I much prefer chicken strips to hamburger,raw meat or barbequed ribs. :chickawow:

(Tried to resist, but couldn't.)

 

[carlson_mn]

While I rub up the edges of my rear tire and touch pegs while hanging off the bike at 90mph, I've yet to come close to hitting the edges of the front tire on the FJR.

And yes generally I'm able to go at a fast pace without ever hitting the pegs, it's not a regular occurance, but rather occurs when I simply am riding it a little hot than I should be, and am forced to lay the bike over even further than 'fast' pace. Although in some smooth sweepers it is nice to feel them and try to stay steady at a gentle scrape level, i.e. highway 95 west of Arcadia, WI.

 

[TomInPA]

Feeling the soles of my boots being pushed up by the gentle caress of smooth asphalt is much better than the grinding and rattling sensation of our usual chip-seal. The only problem is that it is very difficult to appreciate the scenery whilst enjoying such sensations.

 

[RadioHowie]

Since my introduction to 2 wheeled motoring back in '65, I've only scraped the pegs once...that was right at 2:30pm, Monday, March 30, 1981.

How do I remember the exact date and time??? It was the same moment John Hinckley tried to demise Ronald Reagan. It was on a 1979 Kawi Z1R Turbo. I also remember because I broke my collar bone, my left arm and bought about $10,000 worth of skin grafts on my left arm after touching down the feeler. The old Kaw didn't have folding pegs and hitting that sucker levered the rear end RIGHT off the ground, resulting in an epic high-speed low-side that hurt like a *****. For about 2 months!

That was the one and only time I ever touched hard parts on a bike.

65,000 miles on the Feej and have never scraped. Guess I'm a puss?! Or, I've already "done my time" in the pain and suffering department and don't feel the need for re-education.

 

[azitlies]

Since my introduction to 2 wheeled motoring back in '65, I've only scraped the pegs once...that was right at 2:30pm, Monday, March 30, 1981.

How do I remember the exact date and time??? It was the same moment John Hinckley tried to demise Ronald Reagan. It was on a 1979 Kawi Z1R Turbo. I also remember because I broke my collar bone, my left arm and bought about $10,000 worth of skin grafts on my left arm after touching down the feeler. The old Kaw didn't have folding pegs and hitting that sucker levered the rear end RIGHT off the ground, resulting in an epic high-speed low-side that hurt like a *****. For about 2 months!

That was the one and only time I ever touched hard parts on a bike.

65,000 miles on the Feej and have never scraped. Guess I'm a puss?! Or, I've already "done my time" in the pain and suffering department and don't feel the need for re-education.

Hey, that was great reading. That's the kind of stuff I think is helpful to others. A puss? Not a chance bro, anyone that rides a motorcycle for any length of time, and manages to survive, is a knowledgeable and good rider in my book. Glad to hear you survived your mishap, at least relatively well. We've all heard worse outcomes for sure.

Peoples experiences are more valuable imho, then some kind of leaning contest. And btw... don't even remember if my earlier bikes had folding pegs! Never came close to leaning far enough to find out

 

[FJR Bill]

My advice to the average rider is Don't panic if you get a scrape on the boot or foot peg. The bike will do just fine to complete the turn as long as you don't over react to it. Older bikes had fixed foot pegs. Very dangerous to drag them like Howie found out. Not sure when they changed them to moveable pegs. Did two things: will not upset the bike and won't break your leg if its in front of the peg and your foot touches something while moving. A good improvement and likely mandated for current production models. Geeze I thought Howie was an old fart...He's a youngster.

Bill

 

[HotRodZilla]

Since my introduction to 2 wheeled motoring back in '65, I've only scraped the pegs once...that was right at 2:30pm, Monday, March 30, 1981.

How do I remember the exact date and time??? It was the same moment John Hinckley tried to demise Ronald Reagan. It was on a 1979 Kawi Z1R Turbo. I also remember because I broke my collar bone, my left arm and bought about $10,000 worth of skin grafts on my left arm after touching down the feeler. The old Kaw didn't have folding pegs and hitting that sucker levered the rear end RIGHT off the ground, resulting in an epic high-speed low-side that hurt like a *****. For about 2 months!

That was the one and only time I ever touched hard parts on a bike.

65,000 miles on the Feej and have never scraped. Guess I'm a puss?! Or, I've already "done my time" in the pain and suffering department and don't feel the need for re-education.

Are you sure you didn't hurt your face in that get off; cuz jeebus Howie, there has to be some explanation for how ugly you are...

'Nuff said!!!

 

[garyahouse]

Scrapin' pegs: not gonna happen. Two reasons I can think of that I would ever do that. First would involve trying to show off. I look at that stuff the same way I look at Harley riders who can't ever start their bikes without blipping the throttle. I find that "habit" extremely loud and extremely annoying. As a teacher, I work with teenage boys who tailor everything they do and say to show off. But then again, we expect that from kids. Don't get me started. Then the second reason I might scrape a peg would be due to an emergency. That "day" has never come in 45 years of riding.

Gary

darksider #44

 

[HaulinAshe]

When I scrape a peg, I try harder not to. Sometimes that means simply slow down. Sometimes that means get my *** out of the seat and stop being a lazy pilot. Sometimes that means telling the GF to spread her legs and make more room. Sometimes I spew some comment about "how much dessert did she eat at the lunch stop???" Sometimes I pass out from the ensuing impact.

Scraping a peg at 30-50 mph in a super-tight Appalachian twisty, is a lot different than scraping a peg in an 80 mph California sweeper. IMO there's more options available to me in the twisty. The required change in sweepers has to be more precise and delicately executed. A twisty scrape requires a much quicker response.

I'm pushing 200,000 total FJR miles nowadays. And there's a huge difference in the life expectancy of my peg feelers than when I began with the '05. Still, even after suspension upgrades there are times when two-up, fully-loaded fun results in a little show of sparks.

Peg Feelers are best scraped at night on The Snake.

 

[Nikk]

Foot pegs are hinged and have feelers, they are designed to touch down every now and then.

IMO this is something everyone should experience, because when you do find yourself in over your head or evading some hazard you won't panic when you touch a peg feeler trying to save your ***.

 

[RadioHowie]

Foot pegs are hinged and have feelers, they are designed to touch down every now and then.

Let me rephrase what you wrote.....

Foot pegs are hinged and have feelers, they are designed to NOT kill you when they touch down.

Yep...I think that more accurately states what you wrote.