Photo speed radar coming to California?

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Three new bills (one that establishes photo radar speed enforcement and two that gut protection afforded by California's requirements for speed traps) are scheduled for a vote in the State Assembly Transportation Committee today (April 27th).

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I've been working on wiring my FJR for a radar detector (among other electronic farkles that have gone unmounted for 2 years) -- not a moment too soon, it seems. May have to set up all my vehicles to provide such warnings.

 
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Don't worry about photo radar. It can be beaten in court pretty easily. Without corroborating eyewitness testimonial evidence, the police have no way of verifying that the radar was clocking you and not some other jamoke when they snapped your picture going the speed limit.

Now if it's a laser speed measurement, I'm afraid you're screwed...

 
Don't worry about photo radar. It can be beaten in court pretty easily.
You know California's specific laws on it? Because laws, court rules, standards of evidence, and a variety of other things vary from state to state...and even jurisdiction to jurisdiction...especially on photo radar. The RedFlex company specialize in helping states and jurisidictions craft custom legislation to promote sales. And some states even have different law from cars to motorcycles!

It's that 10th amendment thing again...and photo radar is most decidedly not one of those things expressly reserved for feds. ;) I wouldn't apply what you know in NH to CA...because even I know WA is different than CA and NH. ;)

 
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Don't worry about photo radar. It can be beaten in court pretty easily. Without corroborating eyewitness testimonial evidence, the police have no way of verifying that the radar was clocking you and not some other jamoke when they snapped your picture going the speed limit.
Now if it's a laser speed measurement, I'm afraid you're screwed...
Checkswrecks said:
They can be a pain, the wife and I've gotten their tickets & bitched, but you guys are like most people in adding a lot of hype, too. There are some around that I just can not see the use of, and they are Orwellian. I a not a big fan of these things, but I'm in Maryland with one less than a mile from my house and thought I'd throw out some facts.
The one near my house is in front of an elementary school (Woodfield on Rt 124) and it's a main road from the next county north, going toward DC or suburban shopping. We had some hellacious accidents from the never-ending flow of 55-65 mph traffic T-boning people pulling out of drives and side streets. The medevac helicopter knew our school's ball field too well, including for some neighbor's kids. Say what you want about Orwell, the thing has worked. People still come to it quick, but not as quick as before, are on the 30 mph limit through the zone, and then speed up to the mid 40s.

The speed cameras have not had the rear-end collision side effect that the red-light cameras have, probably because people anticipate the speed cameras and slow, they don't slam the brakes.

They aren't hidden and actually easy to spot. First, there's generally a white sign telling that one is ahead. The box is generally easy to spot and for the people too pre-occupied to miss that or the sign, there are lines painted on the road. See lines = slow down. The response almost is like Pavlovs dogs. They use the lines to verify your speed between 2 photos, so it's not really just you versus the single source of speed measurement. btw - radar detectors pick them out long before they get you, and same for most (not all) of the red light cameras. They still nail people left and right, so it hits me as an indication about how dense/pre-occupied those drivers must be.

There is an appeals process shown on the back of the ticket.

They can't assign points to your license because there's no proof about who was driving. The ticket goes to the registered owner. If the ticket doesn't get paid, the fines add quickly since they are on a per-day-late basis and you won't get to renew your tags till you pay up.

I don't know of any that are set 2 mph over the limit, at least in DC or MD. It's pretty common to hit them at about 8 over, knowing that they are set at 10-11 over the limit.

Here is a more thorough article on them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9040201721.html

As for the money-making aspect, note in the article that they are really only big money makers at first. People learn pretty fast where they are and second year revenues are a fraction of those from the first year. Plus, Maryland's new law says that the counties or towns with the cameras can only make up to a certain cap in income from the things to discourage the cameras from actually becoming revenue devices.

They've gotten my wife while on the cell phone (visible in the photo). They've gotten me when pre-occupied or thinking I'm 8 over when they've had me at 11 over. The two things that are the biggest risk to me are the TEMPORARY speed cameras that are mounted in Ford Windstar vans and the fact that some red light cameras are now also being converted to dual function, to also be speed cameras. The Windstars are again pretty easy to spot and they put the signs out, but they're just not same place-different day.

And if you want to see the cameras in full force, rent a car or bike in some of the European countries. England and the Netherlands seem to have them every other block.

If you don't want to see them at all, don't live or drive where there is enough traffic for the county to justify putting one. Because like 'em or not and ***** all you want, the camel's nose came under the tent and they are now a fact of life that's here to stay.

Bob
I'm copying in the last post I made on this topic before and sorry Fred, it's NOT easy to get out of. First, they have a photo of your mug in the car. My wife got one and you could clearly see it was her and that she was on the cellphone. It's hard to deny you were there.

Then, they corroborate the camera speed with the lines painted on the road.

It's a fine against the vehicle owner, not the driver. No personal rights issues. No points on licenses.

The one up-side, as Ex noted, is that radar detectors pick speed cameras out with no problem.

Bob

 
The one up-side, as Ex noted, is that radar detectors pick speed cameras out with no problem.
Another possible benefit is fewer actual officers assigned to speed enforcement, since the easily-detected machines will be more actively handling that aspect.

At worst, I figure I'll need to upgrade to an Escort 9500i....

 
Red-light cameras photograph you from the front. That means motorcycles are immune since they have no front license plate. Does anyone know if the speed cameras photograph you from the front or behind?

 
Red-light cameras photograph you from the front. That means motorcycles are immune since they have no front license plate. Does anyone know if the speed cameras photograph you from the front or behind?
Some of the red light cameras take video from the rear too. It shows the vehicle, license plate, and the status of the light at the time. Kinda hard to say it was yellow when the video clearly shows red. Just something to be aware of.

 
Red-light cameras photograph you from the front. That means motorcycles are immune since they have no front license plate. Does anyone know if the speed cameras photograph you from the front or behind?

Most states in Australia have had speed cameras at least since the early 1990's. The ones that took my picture were always from behind, so motorcycles were caught. The fixed ones were normally installed at accident spots and you generally had plenty of warning (signs) that they were ahead. There were also portable speed cameras that moved locations and were blatant revenue raisers. During the last 4 years of living in LA I have definately enjoyed the fact that there are no speed cameras. This is definately bad news.

 
Still, aren't all of these speed camera dealios constant on radar? In which case even the cheapest of radar detectors will keep the tickets away... ?

 
There's quite a few of them set up in Victorville and Hesperia, CA now, and my bel 65 pro emits not a peep. Dunno what frequency they operate on.

 
Forget radar. The next logical step is connecting the speed sensors embedded in the roadway to a camera. I understand this is already being done in Arizona. (Can't confirm). The only upside is that the sensors are in the center of the lane and probably won't pick up a motorcycle hugging the lane edge. Problem is, they're everywhere, they come up on you quickly and without warning, and it takes a lot of concentration to hug a lane edge for very long.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Land of the free my ***.

 
Forget radar. The next logical step is connecting the speed sensors embedded in the roadway to a camera. I understand this is already being done in Arizona. (Can't confirm). The only upside is that the sensors are in the center of the lane and probably won't pick up a motorcycle hugging the lane edge. Problem is, they're everywhere, they come up on you quickly and without warning, and it takes a lot of concentration to hug a lane edge for very long.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Land of the free my ***.
Just found it, and you are correct. Normal stoplight cameras are triggered by loops set in the pavement.

And, if that weren't bad enough, RADAR traffic light cameras can be configured to give you a "regular" speeding ticket when they aren't in the "red light" mode.

You tax dollars at work.

 
I know that if you don't pay the toll on a bridge in CA they get a real clear pic of you and your rear plate. Don't ask me how...And this is only the tip of the iceberg for laws.....PM. &lt;&gt;&lt; :glare:

 
Just found it, and you are correct. Normal stoplight cameras are triggered by loops set in the pavement.
Well, since those damn sensors don't seem capable of detecting a bike when you park over the friggen loop, I would imagine it would have a pretty hard time sensing when you are rolling over it at full speed, eh? So maybe murder'sickles are immune to this particular view of Big Brother?

Just be sure to stay away from the front of the telescreens...

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Red-light cameras photograph you from the front. That means motorcycles are immune since they have no front license plate. Does anyone know if the speed cameras photograph you from the front or behind?
Not here in Cali. I have seen intersections and actually have seen the document sent to someone. He was in a traffic school class I went to and there were three pictures. One from the front one from the side and one from the back.

Lets be realistic. The companies that sell and install these systems arent stupid. They know what questions are going to be aksed and have addressed it. There is an intersection in montclair that looks like fox tv is using for a tv show. There are devices EVERYWHERE in that interseciton. I have a feeling their giving out tickets for farting.

 
Just found it, and you are correct. Normal stoplight cameras are triggered by loops set in the pavement.
Well, since those damn sensors don't seem capable of detecting a bike when you park over the friggen loop, I would imagine it would have a pretty hard time sensing when you are rolling over it at full speed, eh? So maybe murder'sickles are immune to this particular view of Big Brother?

Just be sure to stay away from the front of the telescreens...

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Good luck with that approach. Wouldnt suggest it in Cali.

 
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