Purolator corporate b.s.

[Cavy]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Yes, I have. I tested the oil pressure on my '08 AE with 3 different filters. 1. Yamaha factory 5JW-13440-00 2. Purolator Pure-One PL14610 3. Mobil-1 M1-110.

Here is a link to a photo showing the internals of the 3 filters and a couple others not tested. https://picasaweb.google.com/rjcavy/Desktop...467927652128114

Left to right. Bosch premium 3323, Pure One PL14610, Mobil-1 M1-110, Yamaha 5JW-13440-00 and Fram TG7317

Note the Bosch and Purolator appear to be identical internally and the Bosch is black. Same company now.

Wow, thanks for answering my question, and then some. Great info, and gives us all a piece of mind when using the non-OEM filters. In the pics, the Yammie filter is a case of "one of these things is not like the others"; what is it made of? Looks a little like fiberglass.

Yeah, It's kinda like that 2 part yellow foam they use in floatation devices molded around a plastic core. More like a muffin gone bad.

 

[Knifemaker]

My question here is, , could Yamaha refuse to honor their warranty on the motor ( if something bad happens to it) if they notice a "non motorcycle" Purolater filter on it?

I'm not worried myself, I'm stickin to my Supertech filters from Wal-Mart.

KM

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

[SIZE=12pt]... however, these filters are designed for only for cars and have never been tested on motorcycles. In this scenario, these filters will not have a warranty[/SIZE]If for some strange reason the PureOne fails on your bike, your going to be S.O.L. as far as Purolator is concerned.

That's the only thing the company is trying to alert you to.

I think that's a very wise move from Purolator. They are trying to protect you.

My question here is, , could Yamaha refuse to honor their warranty on the motor (if something bad happens to it) if they notice a "non motorcycle" Purolater filter on it?

As Jim, my attorney friend, says: "Better bring a chair with you to court -- because you won't have a leg to stand on."

 

[El Toro Joe]

My question here is, , could Yamaha refuse to honor their warranty on the motor ( if something bad happens to it) if they notice a "non motorcycle" Purolater filter on it?



I'm not worried myself, I'm stickin to my Supertech filters from Wal-Mart.

KM

I stopped a the dealer last week the machanic came out, looked at my bike, and saw the Supertech filter on it. He then told me if something were to go bad, Yamaha would not honor the warranty...So I think I'll switch back until my extended warranty runs out.

 

[Knifemaker]

I stopped a the dealer last week the machanic came out, looked at my bike, and saw the Supertech filter on it. He then told me if something were to go bad, Yamaha would not honor the warranty...So I think I'll switch back until my extended warranty runs out.

Or at least keep a OEM filter handy to switch out if needed.

There is a reference guide (from Supertech at Wal-mart) that shows that the ST7317 filter is the reccomended replacement filter for seveal motorcycle models. This at least shows they consider the filter to be "motorcycle applicable".

KM

 

[dustyrains]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Yes, I have. I tested the oil pressure on my '08 AE with 3 different filters. 1. Yamaha factory 5JW-13440-00 2. Purolator Pure-One PL14610 3. Mobil-1 M1-110.

I tested the pressure as per the FSM instructions at oil temp of 190 deg F. at 1000, 4000 and 8000 rpm. There was less than 3psi difference between the 3 filters in all ranges.

Factory oil pressure spec is 4.4psi/1000rpm. (I assume this is a minimum allowable pressure) All filters allowed 64-65psi at 8k. well above spec.

I also tested inlet pressure to see what pressure drop was through the filters. Inlet pressure is regulated to a max. 69.6-81.2 psi by an internal relief valve in the engine. All 3 filters had 74psi at 8k

so pressure drops approx 10psi through the filters.

The Pure One and Mobil-1 filters have an internal bypass valve incase the filter became restricted they would not stop the flow of oil. The Yamaha filter does not have a bypass valve.

The FSM shows a spec for a bypass valve even though there isn't one in the filter and the oil flow diagram in the manual doesn't show one. Spec is 11.4-17.1 psi

I tested the valves and found both within factory spec. Pure One approx 17psi and Mobil-1 approx 12 psi.

So based on what I have found. There should be no issues with oil pressures using any of these filters.

There are differences in quality and filter media not discussed here.

Here is a link to a photo showing the internals of the 3 filters and a couple others not tested. https://picasaweb.google.com/rjcavy/Desktop...467927652128114

Left to right. Bosch premium 3323, Pure One PL14610, Mobil-1 M1-110, Yamaha 5JW-13440-00 and Fram TG7317

Note the Bosch and Purolator appear to be identical internally and the Bosch is black. Same company now.

Thanks a bunch for posting all that. As the OP on this thread, it reinforces my perception that Purolator is trying to steer users to a motorcycle product that probably is not much different than their automotive product, and if experience holds up, is probably more expensive. Although I have not verified that. Just a hunch. Which is ok for them to do that, but is still weasel marketspeak b.s.