Purolator corporate b.s.

[BrunDog]

By the way, a sample size of one or two means diddly. Just 'cuz your bike did not break down does not mean it is good. A sample size of a thousand, on the other hand, is data we can sink our teeth into...

Just sayin'...

-BD

 

[RadioHowie]

BD, where the hell you been?

And is the current mileage in your sig correct?

Hell, I put that many miles on my Feej the last eight months rolling it around the damn garage!

:finger:

ps: We STILL gotta get together one day. I'll let you know a good time in November when I'm back on the road.

'Howie

 

[Bustanut joker]

He lives!! Dang, I was fer certain he'd been abducted by the Spiders from Mars.. [SIZE=8pt]or at least a gang of mustachioed cuban women[/SIZE]

Howie, you forgot ta add 2010 to ye post.. :blum:

:jester:

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

.... I don't think we have anything to worry about besides the ****** yellow.

A little high temp black spray paint works wonders.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

If your cheap, seems to me there are better things that are less risky to be cheap about.

I don't think folks use the pure one because it's cheap, they use it because the pure one is supposed to be the best. It just happens to be cheaper than the OEM.

+1. AND when I started using them they were a gorgeous blue that came close to matching my bike. That's as good a reason as any I've ever heard.

NEPRT posts are so fun!

 

[BrunDog]

Kinda dropped off for a while. Couldn't take the constant, harrassing abuse of those who made fun of my signature line...

Nah, just been tied up with other crap. Got two kids in travel sports which occupies every weekend, and got a new hobby online: flying. Got my Private cert. last year and I am about to wrap instrument.

Been tuning my bike up for my annual trip to GA/TN/NC. Going up the week of the 19th. Started back into the forum a couple of weeks ago. Good to see lots of action still going on here.

Anyhoo, one day we'll really meet Howie! Oh, and I fixed my mileage for ya! It used to say 7800 miles. What a difference a year makes, huh?

-BD

 

[RadioHowie]

It's good to see ya back. Always thought you handled the harrasment well. You've made good contributions to the forum and you were missed.

We'll aim better next time.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

It's good to see ya back. Always thought you handled the harrasment well. You've made good contributions to the forum and you were missed.
We'll aim better lower next time.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[SkooterG]

Kinda dropped off for a while. Couldn't take the constant, harrassing abuse of those who made fun of my signature line...

Dude!!!

It was just my way of showing affection!!!

I :wub: the Brundoggy!!!!

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Kinda dropped off for a while. Couldn't take the constant, harrassing abuse of those who made fun of my signature line...

Dude!!!

It was just my way of showing affection!!!

I :wub: the Brundoggy!!!!

Always suspected you liked the ******* Greg.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :ermm: :drinks:

 

[BrunDog]

Ahh, yeah... Love back at you too, Skoots!

It's good to be back home... :crazy:

-BD

 

[dustyrains]

So, did you happen to ask which filter they do recommend for the feejer?

From the original thread with Katrina Hull: "We do have a line of Purolator filters that are the equivalent to the OE filters."

So I guess they may have an OEM specific cross, but I did not pursue that with her.

 

[dustyrains]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Exactly my thinking. I just don't believe there could be differences enough between the requirements of a 4 cylinder bike motor and a 4 cylinder car motor that a completely different line of oil filters would be required.

 

[dustyrains]

The comments from Katrina Hull and Brian Crawford strike me as marketing bull. Neither one of them offers a solid, specific reason not to use the PureONE.

Oh he sure did.

[SIZE=12pt][/SIZE]

According to a couple of websites, the Purolator PureOne filter is the best filter for motorcycles, however, these filters are designed for only for cars and have never been tested on motorcycles. In this scenario, these filters will not have a warranty

If for some strange reason the PureOne fails on your bike, your going to be S.O.L. as far as Purolator is concerned.

That's the only thing the company is trying to alert you to.

I think that's a very wise move from Purolator. They are trying to protect you.

Or perhaps trying to steer me to a more expensive filter?

 

[Cavy]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Yes, I have. I tested the oil pressure on my '08 AE with 3 different filters. 1. Yamaha factory 5JW-13440-00 2. Purolator Pure-One PL14610 3. Mobil-1 M1-110.

I tested the pressure as per the FSM instructions at oil temp of 190 deg F. at 1000, 4000 and 8000 rpm. There was less than 3psi difference between the 3 filters in all ranges.

Factory oil pressure spec is 4.4psi/1000rpm. (I assume this is a minimum allowable pressure) All filters allowed 64-65psi at 8k. well above spec.

I also tested inlet pressure to see what pressure drop was through the filters. Inlet pressure is regulated to a max. 69.6-81.2 psi by an internal relief valve in the engine. All 3 filters had 74psi at 8k

so pressure drops approx 10psi through the filters.

The Pure One and Mobil-1 filters have an internal bypass valve incase the filter became restricted they would not stop the flow of oil. The Yamaha filter does not have a bypass valve.

The FSM shows a spec for a bypass valve even though there isn't one in the filter and the oil flow diagram in the manual doesn't show one. Spec is 11.4-17.1 psi

I tested the valves and found both within factory spec. Pure One approx 17psi and Mobil-1 approx 12 psi.

So based on what I have found. There should be no issues with oil pressures using any of these filters.

There are differences in quality and filter media not discussed here.

Here is a link to a photo showing the internals of the 3 filters and a couple others not tested. https://picasaweb.google.com/rjcavy/Desktop...467927652128114

Left to right. Bosch premium 3323, Pure One PL14610, Mobil-1 M1-110, Yamaha 5JW-13440-00 and Fram TG7317

Note the Bosch and Purolator appear to be identical internally and the Bosch is black. Same company now.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Yes, I have. I tested the oil pressure on my '08 AE with 3 different filters. 1. Yamaha factory 5JW-13440-00 2. Purolator Pure-One PL14610 3. Mobil-1 M1-110.

I tested the pressure as per the FSM instructions at oil temp of 190 deg F. at 1000, 4000 and 8000 rpm. There was less than 3psi difference between the 3 filters in all ranges.

Factory oil pressure spec is 4.4psi/1000rpm. (I assume this is a minimum allowable pressure) All filters allowed 64-65psi at 8k. well above spec.

I also tested inlet pressure to see what pressure drop was through the filters. Inlet pressure is regulated to a max. 69.6-81.2 psi by an internal relief valve in the engine. All 3 filters had 74psi at 8k

so pressure drops approx 10psi through the filters.

The Pure One and Mobil-1 filters have an internal bypass valve incase the filter became restricted they would not stop the flow of oil. The Yamaha filter does not have a bypass valve.

The FSM shows a spec for a bypass valve even though there isn't one in the filter and the oil flow diagram in the manual doesn't show one. Spec is 11.4-17.1 psi

I tested the valves and found both within factory spec. Pure One approx 17psi and Mobil-1 approx 12 psi.

So based on what I have found. There should be no issues with oil pressures using any of these filters.

There are differences in quality and filter media not discussed here.

Here is a link to a photo showing the internals of the 3 filters and a couple others not tested. https://picasaweb.google.com/rjcavy/Desktop...467927652128114

Left to right. Bosch premium 3323, Pure One PL14610, Mobil-1 M1-110, Yamaha 5JW-13440-00 and Fram TG7317

Note the Bosch and Purolator appear to be identical internally and the Bosch is black. Same company now.

Wow!

Good info, but I had trouble reading it as my eyes kept going to your avatar.

Seriously, I have no idea how you knew/figured out all that stuff. I love this forum.

 

[Bustanut joker]

Wow!
Good info, but I had trouble reading it as my eyes kept going to your avatar.

Seriously, I have no idea how you knew/figured out all that stuff. I love Goats...

An I get **** because of my Sheep addiction...

:jester:

 

[happyPuppy]

Great info. I wonder why the Yamaha does not over a relief valve?

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Wow!
Good info, but I had trouble reading it as my eyes kept going to your avatar.

Seriously, I have no idea how you knew/figured out all that stuff. I love Goats...

An I get **** because of my Sheep addiction...

:jester:

:cray: Who told?

 

[FJR Flyer]

Has anyone put a pressure gage on the FJR? I would think the pumping pressure would be in line with that of a car. Aren't the oil pressures of four bangers in the same ballpark for a V-8? Viscosity is viscosity, right? Volume demands may be different, but that would more effect flow rates.

Yes, I have. I tested the oil pressure on my '08 AE with 3 different filters. 1. Yamaha factory 5JW-13440-00 2. Purolator Pure-One PL14610 3. Mobil-1 M1-110.

I tested the pressure as per the FSM instructions at oil temp of 190 deg F. at 1000, 4000 and 8000 rpm. There was less than 3psi difference between the 3 filters in all ranges.

Factory oil pressure spec is 4.4psi/1000rpm. (I assume this is a minimum allowable pressure) All filters allowed 64-65psi at 8k. well above spec.

I also tested inlet pressure to see what pressure drop was through the filters. Inlet pressure is regulated to a max. 69.6-81.2 psi by an internal relief valve in the engine. All 3 filters had 74psi at 8k

so pressure drops approx 10psi through the filters.

The Pure One and Mobil-1 filters have an internal bypass valve incase the filter became restricted they would not stop the flow of oil. The Yamaha filter does not have a bypass valve.

The FSM shows a spec for a bypass valve even though there isn't one in the filter and the oil flow diagram in the manual doesn't show one. Spec is 11.4-17.1 psi

I tested the valves and found both within factory spec. Pure One approx 17psi and Mobil-1 approx 12 psi.

So based on what I have found. There should be no issues with oil pressures using any of these filters.

There are differences in quality and filter media not discussed here.

Here is a link to a photo showing the internals of the 3 filters and a couple others not tested. https://picasaweb.google.com/rjcavy/Desktop...467927652128114

Left to right. Bosch premium 3323, Pure One PL14610, Mobil-1 M1-110, Yamaha 5JW-13440-00 and Fram TG7317

Note the Bosch and Purolator appear to be identical internally and the Bosch is black. Same company now.

Wow, thanks for answering my question, and then some. Great info, and gives us all a piece of mind when using the non-OEM filters. In the pics, the Yammie filter is a case of "one of these things is not like the others"; what is it made of? Looks a little like fiberglass.