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:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.

My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:

 
:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.
My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:
I was stopped by the po-po for my first time on the FJR with my detector (he had laser) and he gave me a warning.

After he gave me the ticket he says "you know those things are only good to let you know you are getting a ticket", I told him that I used it as a reminder to do the speed limit.

He looked at me like I was a martian.

 
:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.
My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:
No, but it sure isn't going to help! But I have yet to have a person with a radar detector I've pulled over for speeding show remorse.

 
:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.
My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:
I was told by a leo on Pashnit that if he sees a radar detector it's a certain ticket. Not all leos are the same, I'm sure, but I would guess that your premise is sound.

 
I was with 2 other riders in far West Texas back earlier this year, 2 of us having RDs... we IDd the trooper on the side of the road LONG before he hit us, and were only doing the speedlimit by the time he lit us up. He still pulled us over and told us we were "Doing 74 in a 70 zone"... total BS, but whatever. They let us off with a "warning", and in reality were just letting people know they were watching the roads.

 
I was with 2 other riders in far West Texas back earlier this year, 2 of us having RDs... we IDd the trooper on the side of the road LONG before he hit us, and were only doing the speedlimit by the time he lit us up. He still pulled us over and told us we were "Doing 74 in a 70 zone"... total BS, but whatever. They let us off with a "warning", and in reality were just letting people know they were watching the roads.
Typical power trippin revenue monkey. The self righteous lecture about "safety" is usually harder to take than the ticket.

 
No, but it sure isn't going to help! But I have yet to have a person with a radar detector I've pulled over for speeding show remorse.
boo f'ing hoo!

if the limits were realistic and the enforcement uniform and sure, then remorse might enter into the equation. since neither are the case, "remorse" for driving above an artificially-low limit is seldom going to happen.

lecture or ticket. don't do both. it's rude and the officer is being a bore.

--update--

Pardon me for the pot shots at certain LEO mind sets. I just noticed it was from OR. The entire state's mind set is so whacky that it's to be given some lattitude in attitude. It doesn't mean it's right. It just means that there's no chance of reasoning with it. :D

 
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With my recent acquisition of additional road use fees, the nice LEO simply pointed to my detector and said, "You shoulda known I was around with that thing. Sign here, please." It didn't go off.

 
FWIW, my experience has been pretty poor. Though it has been quite a while since I even have been pulled over, the tickets I have gotten in the past were apparently half written by the time the cop got to my door. The worst has been Wisconsin, where they took credit cards, on the spot, using the old slider card machine, and calling the office for an authorization number. No card, Bar Motel for the night. No q's as to "how fast were you going" etc, pure income generation. I still toss trash out the window in a couple counties, think 20 years worth has compensated yet? ;)

 
:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.
My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:
a good response to being stopped is:

1. When pulled over - start by reaching up and turning OFF the radar detector

2. Remove your helmet and place it OVER the radar detector

3. if need be - reset your bicycle speedo and check your max speed on gps. you might want to reset them quickly.

4. keep your hands in plane view and turn off the bike (unless you are planning on running).

5. when the officer asks for them - tell him that you are reaching inside your pocket for your license, etc. Always good to let them know what you are doing.

6. If smart assed LEO asks why you are doing all this - or insinuates that you have done this before - or that you obviously have experience doing this - you can tell them about your best friend LEO and how he explained that showing respect for the officer and putting them at ease during a traffic stop was the best way to get off with a warning - (sort of leads into how you ask for forgiveness and a break).

Most officers will appreciate the consideration you've shown. Perhaps not enough to let you off... but they might give you some sort of break on the speed. Besides...it doesn' hurt.

7. Most don't want a "sir sandwich" - a simple sir at the beginning is sufficient to show that you respect them and their badge - after that it is just groveling.

Females might want to unbutton that shirt and put on that weepy I'm almost going to cry look or even spill a little bit of fluid from your drink tube down your front [couldn't hurt]. If it works for you guys (assuming a male cop] you "are in a heepa trouble, boy".

 
In a word..............Yes.

Most city / county officers will allow you up to an "X" amount over the limit (usually 10 - 14mph) but once you exceed that then you enter the realm of uncertainty where much of it has to do with your attitude (good or bad) couple with how he is feeling that particular moment. Is that fair..............who gives a rip..............you were in violation of the law, weather you knew it or now is beside the point........that fact is that you were the one that initiated circumstances that caused you to enter in his world of justice.

State Troopers will usually give you 9 mph....after that you will most likely get a ticket or at best a warning ticket.

The time of day in which you are stopped as well as traffic conditions will have a big part in his / her decision making as well.

When I worked Traffic Division........on night shifts I didnt care if you were cruising at 20mph over the limit as long as you were not drinking, no drugs and had a decent attitude about you......there were bigger fish to fry such as drunk drivers.

In regards to radar detectors.......they are good if the officer is running his radar hot however if they want to burn you a new one.......then you can buy the best one of the market and I can guarantee you that is is worthless. In many states the radar coroborates the officers opinion....not the other way around......which means that you can be charged and often times convicted just based upon his professional opinion.

Personally I think the money can be spent on other farkles.

If.......excuse me, when you do speed you can do things that will help aleviate the potential of getting a ticket such as:

1.) think like a cop......where would be a good place to set up.

2.) try as hard as it may be to not go more the 9 mph over the posted limit.

(dont be a moron and pass a cop while only doing 9mph over the posted limit....I had that happen before and the jerk wanted to argue the law with me on the street..........idiot)

3.) stay out of the passing lane except when passing. (certain exceptions)

4.) dont piss off other drivers with your aggressive passing......there are things called cell phones and you do have a license plate on the back on your bike that identifies you or the owner.

5.) when you do pass......do it quickly and then bring your speed back down to a reasonable amount.

6.) on highways that are divided by a barrier I will often stay in the left lane near the barrier.......where there are no barriers I stay near the "fog line" (the white line near the edge of the road) in the right hand lane.

7.) do a quick glance on entrance and exit ramps......especially entrance ramps.....this is the time when it is good to be in the left lane. Also look at the bridges themselves.

8.) On most major highways, traffic is broken up into groups of vehicles......I treat these groups like islands.........I jump from one group to the other........the open space between the group can be viewed as danger ocean territory........the longer your out in the open water the more likely you will be nailed.

9.) If an officer does pull in behind you then you drive as if your mother is following you.

10.) If you are about to get pulled over then find a place that is safe for both of you....well lit and out of traffic. (There were times that I wrote a ticket just because the guy was a moron and stopped in a dangerous location)

11.) turn off bike, get license and papers out and take off helmet, BEFORE the officer gets to you if possible.

12.) if you have a gun, then let him know in advance and ask how he wants to proceed.

(I had a personal rule that if you had a gun and were not drinking, no drugs or a convict then you got a pass......I figured if you carry a gun then it was for self defense....which means you were willing to kill a dirtbag so that I didn't have to.......that deserves a pass)

13.) Dont make stupid statements........like, "did I do something wrong officer"......when you were speeding 25 mph over the posted limit. It is ok to say, sorry officer I was not paying attention to my speed.....if you have ridden a motorcycle Officer Jones, well you know what I mean.......I saw that I was doing X amount over when I saw you. You can not say the word sorry enough. I know this is hard for most guys to say....especially married ones. You should also address the officer as sir / mam, which ever applies........or better yet, by their name. Officer Jones, I apologize for ......(fill in the blank).

14.) Dont throw other officers names out unless you are related to that person.

( I wrote my Sergeant's son a ticket when he said......"do you know who my dad is......" His dad made him pay the ticket.)

15.) Even if you know the reason the officer pulled you over was BS...........just go along with it. Argueing your case along the roadside will get you in deeper............and beside it wasting your and his time, again you have to remember you are in his realm and right then and there it can be pretty ugly. In North Carolina if the posted speed limit is 55mph and you are doing 16 mph over......its a misdemeanor.....which means he can cuff and stuff you and in all liklihood tow your vehicle. Towing the vehicle is simply done by saying......"Sir, you are under arrest.......you vehicle is along side the road here.......are you going to hold me responsible if anything happens to it? (loaded question) Of course most people will say, Hell yeah, because they are already pissed. Guess what is next..............the next wrecker on rotation will be pulling up soon and you are now looking at an extra charge to get your bike back. You see how I say you have entered his realm of justice. Life ain't fair........so what.......get use to it.

16. If you do get a ticket then ask if its possible he could reduce it so that it does not effect your insurance.

(most cops hate insurance companies.......use that to your advantage)

17.) Again apologize to the nice officer and let him know you will try to pay more attention.

18.) After the ticket, then if you do have any friends that are officers then you may see if they can help get it reduced. When I say friends, I mean friends......not a friend of a friend of a friend.

19.) Last resort, get a local lawyer and get then to reduce it. Do not use an out of town lawyer....they typically have no pull and often piss off the judge. It's a good ole boy network in any city.

Im sure there are some other things you can add but this is the bulk of it.

Ride safe....

NC_Yank

 
Will crashes increase if the speed limit is raised?

Probably not. Research has shown that the posted speed limit has little effect on the speeds at which most motorists drive. Raising the speed limit does not significantly raise the speeds at which motorists drive, and lowering the limit generally does not appreciably decrease their speeds. However, the more motorists learn from their experiences that speed limits are set at speeds that they consider safe and reasonable the greater the chances that the motorists will heed them. Speed limits significantly lower than the 85th percentile speed are ignored by many drivers and difficult to enforced

In most instances, a speed limit based on the 85th percentile reflects the expectations of the largest proportion of drivers; is found by most to be

a safe and comfortable limit; facilitates speed enforcement; and offers the greatest chance of achieving some uniformity in speeds on a given road. When motorists drive at a relatively uniform speed, tailgating, lane changing, and overtaking are reduced. As a result, collisions are less likely to occur.

Those who drive much faster or slower than most of the drivers around them place themselves and others at considerable risk of a collision. When the posted limit is reasonable, enforcement can be targeted to the relatively small percentage that exceeds the speed limit.

https://www.sha.state.md.us/safety/oots/tra...peedlimits2.asp

Often is said by many officers on just about any motorcycle forum I have been on that they are out to make our roads safe by slowing traffic down by giving tickets.

This article I found from a maryland website disputes this.

In fact speed really isn't the issue. It is other driving habits such as weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating and just overall going faster or SLOWER than the speed everyone else is doing that is more relevant.

 
13.) Dont make stupid statements........like, "did I do something wrong officer"......when you were speeding 25 mph over the posted limit. It is ok to say, sorry officer I was not paying attention to my speed.....if you have ridden a motorcycle Officer Jones, well you know what I mean.......I saw that I was doing X amount over when I saw you. You can not say the word sorry enough. I know this is hard for most guys to say....especially married ones. You should also address the officer as sir / mam, which ever applies........or better yet, by their name. Officer Jones, I apologize for ......(fill in the blank).

NC_Yank
I always thought you were never supposed to admit guilt, if you are thinking about fighting the ticket??

 
Females might want to unbutton that shirt and put on that weepy I'm almost going to cry look or even spill a little bit of fluid from your drink tube down your front [couldn't hurt]. If it works for you guys (assuming a male cop] you "are in a heepa trouble, boy".
Men may wish to improvise here.

I've tried things like unzipping my fly as the LEO approached, but it didn't work as well as I expected.

 
Hmmm........lots o good advice here.

The thing is, cops are just another cross section of society. There are good uns, bad uns, speeding is a offense against the universe uns, and uns that really couldn't care less about speed as long as you don't have bad breath! :lol: Of course each individual cop can be each of the above depending on the day, whether he got laid the night before, whether his wife left him for the convict he put away two years ago, or my favorite, if he is trying to quit a nicotine habit. Don't ask how I know about this last one! So I don't really think you can make any sweeping generalizations.

:unsure: There have been a lot of discussions about radar detectors, how to overcome or circumnavigate LEO's using various lidars, radars etc., etc., the best radar detectors, blind spots etc., etc.

My question is: If you have a radar detector, and you are stopped by LEO. Will the LEO look at the radar detector as de facto evidence that you are always going to try and speed and write you a ticket even if you are remorseful? :glare:
I was told by a leo on Pashnit that if he sees a radar detector it's a certain ticket. Not all leos are the same, I'm sure, but I would guess that your premise is sound.
The above may be true, but I know several state troopers who couldn't care less if you have a radar detector. Really. Your attitute and demeanor may or may not have a HUGE impact, but the presence of a radar detector means nothing to them. (Unless you were really, really, flying and you're getting a ticket anyways.) Still, no doubt in my mind that to some LEOs, running a detector is an admission of guilt that you speed on a regular basis, and is an aggravating factor. (BTW, how many of you pass cars running a radar detector that are doing less than 5 over the posted limit? What is up WITH THAT?!?!?!)

I have been running a radar detector for years. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever it has saved me from many roadside, errrr, discussions. It ain't perfect. But well worth the cost. Still, due to some smart, stealthy cops, I have had the pleasure of some of those roadside discussions even while running the detector. In those cases, as mentioned above, the gloves come off fast and are placed right on top of the radar detector, just in case I have the pleasure of meeting Mister Speed Natzi. Even in it's relatively exposed perch as you can see below, with the gloves resting on top of it, don't think an LEO has ever noticed it. They just ain't used to seeing detectors on bikes IMHO.

Good luck all!

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FWIW, my experience has been pretty poor. Though it has been quite a while since I even have been pulled over, the tickets I have gotten in the past were apparently half written by the time the cop got to my door. The worst has been Wisconsin, where they took credit cards, on the spot, using the old slider card machine, and calling the office for an authorization number. No card, Bar Motel for the night. No q's as to "how fast were you going" etc, pure income generation. I still toss trash out the window in a couple counties, think 20 years worth has compensated yet? ;)


Isn't that unconstitutional? Not allowing you due process? (a chance to plead your case in a court of law)

KM

 
Isn't that unconstitutional? Not allowing you due process? (a chance to plead your case in a court of law)
KM
Nope. He was just posting bail. He still could have contested the citation, and if he won, would have had his bail returned to him.

You wanna know messed up? Back in the old days, before computers and states communicating with each other, I lived in Illinois and If I got a ticket in Wisconsin or Indiana, they would actually TAKE my driver's license and not return it until the ticket was paid. (My copy of the citation would act as a temporary driver's license) Oh, the story I could tell about this............

Every time I would get stopped, I could see the cop checking for staple holes in my driver's license. An indication of "priors".

 
12.) if you have a gun, then let him know in advance and ask how he wants to proceed.(I had a personal rule that if you had a gun and were not drinking, no drugs or a convict then you got a pass......I figured if you carry a gun then it was for self defense....which means you were willing to kill a dirtbag so that I didn't have to.......that deserves a pass)
That's what they told us in my CHL class. The rationale being that if you went through the rigors of taking a class and getting fingerprinted and a federal/state ID check to carry it, then you probably lean towards the law abiding side of the register in most cases. I think it's also the law that if you have a CHL in Texas, if you don't offer up that info. to an LEO, and they get that info once they run your DL, it can have consequences.

 
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In a word..............Yes.
Most city / county officers will allow you up to an "X" amount over the limit (usually 10 - 14mph) but once you exceed that then you enter the realm of uncertainty where much of it has to do with your attitude (good or bad) couple with how he is feeling that particular moment. Is that fair..............who gives a rip..............you were in violation of the law, weather you knew it or now is beside the point........that fact is that you were the one that initiated circumstances that caused you to enter in his world of justice.

State Troopers will usually give you 9 mph....after that you will most likely get a ticket or at best a warning ticket.

The time of day in which you are stopped as well as traffic conditions will have a big part in his / her decision making as well.

When I worked Traffic Division........on night shifts I didnt care if you were cruising at 20mph over the limit as long as you were not drinking, no drugs and had a decent attitude about you......there were bigger fish to fry such as drunk drivers.

In regards to radar detectors.......they are good if the officer is running his radar hot however if they want to burn you a new one.......then you can buy the best one of the market and I can guarantee you that is is worthless. In many states the radar coroborates the officers opinion....not the other way around......which means that you can be charged and often times convicted just based upon his professional opinion.

Personally I think the money can be spent on other farkles.

If.......excuse me, when you do speed you can do things that will help aleviate the potential of getting a ticket such as:

1.) think like a cop......where would be a good place to set up.

2.) try as hard as it may be to not go more the 9 mph over the posted limit.

(dont be a moron and pass a cop while only doing 9mph over the posted limit....I had that happen before and the jerk wanted to argue the law with me on the street..........idiot)

3.) stay out of the passing lane except when passing. (certain exceptions)

4.) dont piss off other drivers with your aggressive passing......there are things called cell phones and you do have a license plate on the back on your bike that identifies you or the owner.

5.) when you do pass......do it quickly and then bring your speed back down to a reasonable amount.

6.) on highways that are divided by a barrier I will often stay in the left lane near the barrier.......where there are no barriers I stay near the "fog line" (the white line near the edge of the road) in the right hand lane.

7.) do a quick glance on entrance and exit ramps......especially entrance ramps.....this is the time when it is good to be in the left lane. Also look at the bridges themselves.

8.) On most major highways, traffic is broken up into groups of vehicles......I treat these groups like islands.........I jump from one group to the other........the open space between the group can be viewed as danger ocean territory........the longer your out in the open water the more likely you will be nailed.

9.) If an officer does pull in behind you then you drive as if your mother is following you.

10.) If you are about to get pulled over then find a place that is safe for both of you....well lit and out of traffic. (There were times that I wrote a ticket just because the guy was a moron and stopped in a dangerous location)

11.) turn off bike, get license and papers out and take off helmet, BEFORE the officer gets to you if possible.

12.) if you have a gun, then let him know in advance and ask how he wants to proceed.

(I had a personal rule that if you had a gun and were not drinking, no drugs or a convict then you got a pass......I figured if you carry a gun then it was for self defense....which means you were willing to kill a dirtbag so that I didn't have to.......that deserves a pass)

13.) Dont make stupid statements........like, "did I do something wrong officer"......when you were speeding 25 mph over the posted limit. It is ok to say, sorry officer I was not paying attention to my speed.....if you have ridden a motorcycle Officer Jones, well you know what I mean.......I saw that I was doing X amount over when I saw you. You can not say the word sorry enough. I know this is hard for most guys to say....especially married ones. You should also address the officer as sir / mam, which ever applies........or better yet, by their name. Officer Jones, I apologize for ......(fill in the blank).

14.) Dont throw other officers names out unless you are related to that person.

( I wrote my Sergeant's son a ticket when he said......"do you know who my dad is......" His dad made him pay the ticket.)

15.) Even if you know the reason the officer pulled you over was BS...........just go along with it. Argueing your case along the roadside will get you in deeper............and beside it wasting your and his time, again you have to remember you are in his realm and right then and there it can be pretty ugly. In North Carolina if the posted speed limit is 55mph and you are doing 16 mph over......its a misdemeanor.....which means he can cuff and stuff you and in all liklihood tow your vehicle. Towing the vehicle is simply done by saying......"Sir, you are under arrest.......you vehicle is along side the road here.......are you going to hold me responsible if anything happens to it? (loaded question) Of course most people will say, Hell yeah, because they are already pissed. Guess what is next..............the next wrecker on rotation will be pulling up soon and you are now looking at an extra charge to get your bike back. You see how I say you have entered his realm of justice. Life ain't fair........so what.......get use to it.

16. If you do get a ticket then ask if its possible he could reduce it so that it does not effect your insurance.

(most cops hate insurance companies.......use that to your advantage)

17.) Again apologize to the nice officer and let him know you will try to pay more attention.

18.) After the ticket, then if you do have any friends that are officers then you may see if they can help get it reduced. When I say friends, I mean friends......not a friend of a friend of a friend.

19.) Last resort, get a local lawyer and get then to reduce it. Do not use an out of town lawyer....they typically have no pull and often piss off the judge. It's a good ole boy network in any city.

Im sure there are some other things you can add but this is the bulk of it.

Ride safe....

NC_Yank
Re above "Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings".

We got a couple of reasonable LEOs here amongst us and they ride FJRs!

 
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