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So this portion right here: "When used within a moving vehicle, the device measures the relative speed of the police and target vehicle. Police are required to follow the offending vehicle for 200 metres and have a certified speedometer, largely negating advantages of the device."

Is partially correct when using standard RADAR. This does not pertain to LASER. Even if someone has a device that splits the beam for vehicle speed, how in the Hell does the officer pick the target? RADAR uses two distinct RADAR signals to measure it's own vehicle's speed. A LASER does not do that. There is a LOT wrong with that article. Since I've been using them for the last 21 years, and trained people how to use them for about 10 of those, I'll go with what I know over Wikipedia.

If I'm gonna follow a car for 200 meters, I'll just pace the dammed thing. The ridiculousness in that link is kind of surprising.

 
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A good analysis of all LEO speed measuring measuring devices: https://nicholsgreen.com/practice-areas/reckless-driving-by-speed/radar-lidar-and-other-speed-measuring-devices/
Unlike that Wikipedia article, I don't think I saw any mis-truths in this one. It is very accurate and confirms everything I said. Mainly the LASER is sensitive to how it is aimed. A LASER mounted in a moving car will have a Hellavua time maintaining a split target fix.

Maybe that cop blowing smoke up Pterodactyl's ass was also shooting laser beams out of his own ass. That would be a sight!!

 
Maybe he said laser by mistake when he really used radar. He lit me up for sure but all I could see was my LED alert and I could not tell what was hitting me.

 
The tricky part of using a Bluetooth transmitter and headset with a radar detector is avoiding the switching delay at the headset. If you are using a dedicated BT transmitter dongle for the RD, the BT link will go to standby when there isnt any audio from that device for some amount of time. Then when there is an audio alert it takes a second or two to wake up before you hear it in the headset. That amount of time is critical to responding by slowing down before the radar gets a lock on your speed.
I have used a Sena SM10 Stereo Bluetooth transmitter successfully hard wiring my zumo 550 to it for navigation and music, and the RD wired into the second audio port with an isolated attenuated mono cable. Since the A2DP connection is constantly streaming there is no Bluetooth switching delays on RD alerts. You just hear them overlaid over the other audio source. But it does mean that the Sena headset runs down the battery much faster than if it were allowed to go into standby.

Also, if you pair a phone to the SMH10 headset you will lose all audio when you make or take a phone call. I think later headsets 20S or later) can be programmed to overlay the audio channels instead of prioritizing them.
Yeah, not sure how to measure the sleep/awake rate; somebody else warned me 'bout this. I know I can be riding along for awhile, adjust the volume on the RD, (Or fiddle w/ any other setting.) and there doesn't seem to be any delay on the warning. Does that prove anything?

Been rock'in a Beltronics Pro 300 fer last 3 to 4 years. It's saved me plenty of times; purdie much every time I ride or drive anywhere. Was running a wire from the unit to helmet, 'til this spring when I broke down and bought a SENA. Since the RD isn't Bluetooth, I bought a couple TaoTronic BT transmitters. (Tried another brand, but never got the BT to pair, so I recommend TaoTronics.) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-TaoTronics-Stereo-Audio-Music-Adapter/232357426409?epid=933571818&hash=item361994f4e9:g:r7oAAOSwx9ZavIVtPlan on buying a Uniden R1 or R3 soon, because Ferris Bueller says they're the best.

Wut LEDs; Marc Parnes?

 
Maybe he said laser by mistake when he really used radar. He lit me up for sure but all I could see was my LED alert and I could not tell what was hitting me.
The V1 has a different (distinct) tone between instant on, constant on, and LASER.

What I didn't know was aircraft using radar because of the tangential error because of the angle of the signal. I may be living in the past but places like Nebraska used to use time/distance observations based on fixed markers (used to be stylized airplanes painted on the road but can be anything they've already measured off and can see from their height. They used to even carry stop watches (which I'd be pretty confident could be any smart phone these days).

 
Ya a Marc Parnes. I could not hear the detector. But then I like BMWs better than Jap bikes so I dont know **** bout bikes or I am totally biased.

 
my spousal unit used to alert at many things....not vocal but her kidney punch was getting old...we don't ride on a bike anymore...

 
I just keep a sharp lookout along the shoulder and median, ride in the farthest right lane that's open, and (mostly) stay within 10 mph of the speed limit. If a patrol car is parked on the side of the interstate, a quick *** with right hand and foot will bring me back to within spitting distance of the speed limit.

Law enforcement is probably concentrating on vehicles in the left lane, so me in the right lane (or next-to-right lane) will slide by unsuspected. And I swear that motorbikes don't return a strong radar signal, because we're significantly smaller than a car. Can't guess at a motorbike's reflective on a laser gun, but the FJR's fairing sure looks like stealth fighter bodywork to me.

Save your money and don't buy a radar detector! Use that savings for gas and cheap hotels, and come ride the Cherohala Skyway with us southern boys!

 
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You say that. I got popped for +3 (while in the far right lane) and never again listened to those proclaiming that all was cool as long as you stayed within +10.

 
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I just ride in the farthest right lane that's open, and (mostly) stay within 10 mph of the speed limit.
Well that is just the silliest thing I have every heard. I don't even think that would be humanly possible for me.
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I just keep a sharp lookout along the shoulder and median, ride in the farthest right lane that's open, and (mostly) stay within 10 mph of the speed limit. If a patrol car is parked on the side of the interstate, a quick *** with right hand and foot will bring me back to within spitting distance of the speed limit.
Law enforcement is probably concentrating on vehicles in the left lane, so me in the right lane (or next-to-right lane) will slide by unsuspected. And I swear that motorbikes don't return a strong radar signal, because we're significantly smaller than a car. Can't guess at a motorbike's reflective on a laser gun, but the FJR's fairing sure looks like stealth fighter bodywork to me.

Save your money and don't buy a radar detector! Use that savings for gas and cheap hotels, and come ride the Cherohala Skyway with us southern boys!
Why would anyone care what lane is speeding. You do know it's very easy to watch all 2 or 3 lanes at once? After that, with RADAR, it gets hard to target anyone but the super fast drivers passing anyone, so LASER comes into play. If I'm running LASER on a multi-lane highway, I'll hit each lane. Its only fair, and Bounce just pointed out that getting stopped and cited for 3 over is not as rare as some think. It's rare, but it happens a lot. Hell, I know this game and I use a RADAR detector. Except for my bike, where I don't run my detector, I'm hardly more than 10 over, but there's always that ONE guy.

 
See, that's one of the great things about living on Long Island - virtually no speed enforcement! Just go as fast as the congested roads will allow. Sorta like restrictor plate racing every time you leave the house.

 
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I'm not proud of it, but I've gotten enough Performance Awards to declare that I have no f-ing clue what to expect. A bird dog helps a lot, but even it isn't fool proof, and it takes a fool to know it.

But I've got a heavy foot and an even heavier wrist, so I hedge my bets the best way I feel comfortable with:

1. When I get to the small towns in between the best roads, I bring it down to 1 under beginning at the exact mark of the limit sign. For the most part, all of these one-horse metropolis' are speed traps, and they won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

2. The twistiest twistys are where I have the most fun. If I understand things correctly, a yellow curve sign with a speed posted is a suggestion, not an order. So if the road is twisty enough, a 55 mph speed limit is more than enough.

3. When the road straightens, I slow down, usually to about 6-8ish over. If there is going to be a Popo in between the small towns, this is where he/she is most likely to hide behind a tree.

4. Although not a hard fast rule, I have found that subscribing to the "9 and you're fine, 10 and you're mine" theory works fairly well. But I have gotten one ticket for 7 over and I've been pulled over and let go for less than that.

5. When pulled over, I present paperwork and speak with humility. I was speeding, the cop knows it, and I'm not going to get any latitude by a flippant attitude.

6. I keep a clean record at all cost. I take the driver safety class. I pay the extra $100.00 extortion. Whatever it takes. If the officer finds me sincere, and sees a clean record, he/she may be inclined to let me go with a warning. At least it's worked many times in the past.

7. If I'm going to be running more than 10 over on the slab, which is EVERY SINGLE TIME I USE IT, I wait at 9 over for a bird dog, then tuck in about 1/4 mile behind and hope for the best.

8. If the radar detector beeps one time, every single time, I'm on the brake. I have a feeling that the cop gets my speeding signal around the curve, but for some reason, he/she won't pull me over until they see me and see the magic number. Again, at least that's worked plenty in the past in my favor.

9. I have to recognize and accept that if I'm leading the ride, more than likely, I'm going to get the award and the others are going to get away with my charity. That's happened more than once and the only thing I can do is take turns with the lead.

10. At the end of the day, I think it usually comes down to luck. I'd like to believe that officers like AJ exist everywhere out there. I know I've met a lot of them and work around a few as well. They are riders and they get it. They won't allow you to be stupid, and surely not put someone else deliberately in danger. But if you wear the gear, don't ride like a squid, choose your timing wisely, and keep a clean record, they will more than likely leave you alone or cut you a break.

At least I hope this works, 'cause my mom's idea of "slow the hell down" just isn't doing it for me.....

 
"Pants - At the end of the day, I think it usually comes down to luck. I'd like to believe that officers like AJ exist everywhere out there. I know I've met a lot of them and work around a few as well. They are riders and they get it. They won't allow you to be stupid, and surely not put someone else deliberately in danger. But if you wear the gear, don't ride like a squid, choose your timing wisely, and keep a clean record, they will more than likely leave you alone or cut you a break.
I know a few folks that will argue these points. JSNS
 
I have not received a speeding ticket since 1983 and that one was because of a stupid riding partner who thought it wise to lecture an Indiana Highway Patrol LEO. In all those years I was pulled over about ten times. The worst was for doing 90 in a 60 zone in Wyoming; got nabbed a couple of times in California for doing 12-15 over and two times in Ohio, once in Kansas and twice in Germany (yes they have speed limits) and the most recent was in Nebraska. My attitude is that if I am speeding and get caught that is just the price of doing business; no sense getting angry with the officer. I am polite but never call a LEO sir. I think that comes across as obviously insincere sucking up, especially when I have 30 or more years on him; I call him or her (never been stopped by a woman) Officer/Deputy/Trooper; I try to let him see my military retired ID card; I pull my helmet off without being asked and try not to do anything that will cause the officer to become alarmed; I always have license, registration and insurance card; and I think it helps that I wear all the gear and have grey hair. I do not lie but I try not to volunteer information. And lastly, I do not greet the officer with, "What the *** do you want *******?" which according to the son of a friend who is a Montana State Trooper happens more often than I would have ever guessed.

This approach has worked for me, but I know there is no guarantee it will work the next time or ever again. When Spousal Unit and I are riding together we generally keep it to 5-6 MPH over the speed limit and so far no LEO has shown any interest. Running 5--6 over in our part of the world means 86 on an interstate and 76 on most highways (remember, Montana's approach to speed is exemplified by the speed limit sign at the top of Beartooth Pass as you enter the state from Wyoming which says 70 MPH). We may occasionally get to 15-20 over for brief stints, but when I'm on the FJR I can become pretty infantile. Coming back home on I-15 from north of here a few weeks ago I was running 95-100 at times coming through the 30 miles or so of Wolf Creek Canyon. That stretch of interstate is a great ride. I know if I were caught doing that then I could expect no mercy, and that is fair enough.

 
Pterodactyl -

"when I'm on the FJR I can become pretty infantile"
I thought that Infantilism was a prerequisite for the purchase of an FJR?

God knows I have my card. JSNS

 
Until it finally fell off, I had a sticker on the dash of my FJR that said, DNBAI. It meant do not be an idiot. I thought about replacing it, but it did not work anyway.

 

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