re-usable oil filter?

[bvail]

bvail, thanks for the reminder... :clapping: I had forgotten about that site. AND, that about settles it once and for all. Lets see what the steel adherents come back with now!..."I rest my case your honour".

Yes and he also has a thread about oil. Enough about filters. I think we should move on to even more critical NERPT items.

OIL!

Any oily thread will do, including lube and grease. Don't forget a bit of oil on the drive shaft to prevent rust! No WD-40 there. Nothing but the best synthetic. I use the drippage from my gallon jug of Rotella T Synthetic 5W40 for that all important task. :blink:

Getting back to filters, nobody makes a high performance filter for my V-Strom, so I have to settle for an OEM or Framish type of filter. I put a Fram on it and now I'm afraid to take it out of the garage. Just idle it once in a while, but only low idle. No more than 1500 rpms. Wonder if Scott makes a 'steelie' for the V-Strom?

 

[PapaUtah]

Read it on the internet so it must be true...

 

[krouske]

First - I do not care if you use a Scotts filter or not. It is all up to you what filter you use.

Second - I use a Scotts filter because I think it filters better than a paper filter this is my problem and no one elses.

Third - I do not care what you think about me using one or spending the money on one. This was my decision for my FJR!

Forth - In no way am I promoting this filter nor benefiting from telling you the information I have gathered.

I read the threads on on these filters and saw the All About Oil Filters link so I went to it. I E-Mailed Scotts and sent them this link.

This is what I sent them and the return E-Mail that I received from them. I thought you would be interested.

I purchased a Scotts filter for my 07 FJR. I am also a

member of the FJR.com. There are threads about the use

of your filter and one directed us to a web site

discussing filters including yours. Could you address

this sites concerns about your filter? I would like to

be able to redirect the benifit of using your filter

to the FJR group.

Thanks

KR

Here is the web site and the verbiage about your

filter.

https://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html#OilFilters

That web site has been around for some time now. If you look at the

beginning of his dissertation you will see that he prefaces it by

stating

that he is not technical in this field. You will also notice that he

has no

testing to rely on. He looks at some filters he cut apart, makes some

assumptions and then forms an "opinion".

As far as him thinking the technology not being ready to use yet, we

better

inform the aerospace program, military aircraft mechanics, race teams,

medical applications as well as every day users that have been trusting

this

technology for decades.

ASTM lab tests have shown that our filter exceeds the filtration

performance

of stock filters (as well as the aftermarket filters we've tested). Be

careful of marketing numbers that are thrown around for supposed filter

micron ratings (this is an hour long discussion by itself!).

Where we really shine is in the flow rates. In fact our filter can be

80%

plugged and still flow more oil than a stock paper filter. If there is

one

or two particles that don't come loose from the surface of the filter

element during a cleaning, it's not going to significantly affect the

performance of the filter. High flow rates also impact performance due

to

the reduced parasitic horsepower drain (we recently obtained dyno

numbers

from Santa Barbara Harley Davidson showing a 5 hp gain with our filter

over

stock). It also helps keep the bypass closed during cold startup and

high

rpm operation (it doesn't matter how good a filter is if the oil is

bypassing the filter media).

When looking at surface area of the element, more is not always better.

Think about the pleats being so close together that you effectively

negate

the filtering and flow capabilities of the sides of the pleats. Paper

filters need to use more surface area to overcome their flow

characteristics.

Considering the technology, performance, quality and production cost of

our

filter vs. a stock tin can filter, $119 is a bargain. If you are

looking to

scrimp, do it somewhere else besides your oil and oil filter. You paid

a

lot of money for your machine. Oil is the lifeblood of your engine.

Think

about it...

As an additional note, our filters are being run by multiple

competitive

race teams (pro stock cars, top fuel motorcycles, pro stock

motorcycles, pro

sport motorcycles...) These folks understand the technology and

benefits.

We don't take it lightly when someone trusts a multi million dollar

race

effort to our product.

Having said all of this, we're glad people want to check things out.

There

are some similar products out there (some are overseas knock offs of

our

filters that even use our pictures in their advertising!). The

performance

and quality of some of these filters are quite poor. Make sure you

are

getting a quality product (Scotts is top shelf in customer service as

well)

I would invite you to visit our web site's Q&A area for additional

information www.KandPEngineering.com as well as Scott's web site

www.scottsperformance.com . We will be updating the K&P Engineering

web

site with additional technical information in the not too distant

future.

Thanks for your purchase and for your interest in becoming better

informed.

The more you know about this subject, the better we look.

Enjoy that FJR!

for Scotts Performance

Dave Fisher

K&P Engineering

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jake Hulsebus" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]>

Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:13 AM

Subject: FW: Your Oil Filter

 

[sthames]

HP Harley,

First of all Good Luck - If - you can find a cost affective reusable filter for this bike that will get you in the 15 micron range. Typical sock & paper filters range from 1 to 50 micron.

As you have seen in the many forum replies the biggest problem is the cleaning application of a reusable filter – To properly clean a cartridge unit that filters in this range you will have to purchase an industrial sonic cleaner that will do the cleaning but it requires 24hrs to the job. Not only lots of mess and muck but you'll want to purchase two filters to have one on the bike an one in the cleaner.

Btw - the industrial sonic cleaner will cost you about 765 filters - ref; ST7317 from Walmart @ $2.35 ea and a cheap sonic cleaner with a cask sized for a FJR cartridge is $1800.

Not worth the effort IMHO

I also have to look at the longevity of my oil because I'm not running a racing profile with a 50 to 500 mile (max) oil change interval. Remember CPM "Cost Per Mile".

We can talk to engineers spending other peoples money to get a clinical oil maintenance program that would include installing an Alfa-Laval, Sharples, Westfalia, or Veronesi Oil Centrifuge and provide a 1500 mile Oil Analysis so we can do away with oil changes and filters altogether. Might have to use additives to compensate for sulfated ash wt% and neutralization for PH.

But then, it's only money – right?

Unless you have the budget of Dancing with the Stars, NASA or the US government. Keep it practical .

I'm not trying to shoot this idea down because I would love to see a reusable/recycling product that we can trust. We are just not there yet.