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You misunderstand Eric. There will always be an FJR in the garage. In the same manner that the GS Adventures... for some strange reason speak to me, this Honda does as well. Drain the checking account and make no sense, yup. Any more than one bike in the garage doesn't make much sense either, but I still have two. Now, if the prediction of 36mpg in real world riding is true... :blink: that's too bad for Honda.
We'll see what the new year brings, and maybe wait for the second model year for the bugs to be worked out.

--G
Fair enough. I have only two words to say to you sir.....

Super Tenere.

Ahh crap, Khunajawdge beat me to it. :clapping:

Tease #1

Tease #2

French Tease

Parallel twin, shaft drive, tubeless tires... Hmm, w/o all the chrome show bling and cloth 'body work', and some real world items like a seat and exhaust, this could be interesting. Hopefully cost less than the new VFR too. ;)

 
"Le tout devrait rester sous la barre des 200 kilos a sec." OK, Eric; now I'm interested! If this Super Tenere is really and truly coming out at just 440 pounds, then this is indeed a serious off road bike. Versus GS at 535 and 990 ADV at 520 lbs.!

 
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You misunderstand Eric. There will always be an FJR in the garage. In the same manner that the GS Adventures... for some strange reason speak to me, this Honda does as well. Drain the checking account and make no sense, yup. Any more than one bike in the garage doesn't make much sense either, but I still have two. Now, if the prediction of 36mpg in real world riding is true... :blink: that's too bad for Honda.
We'll see what the new year brings, and maybe wait for the second model year for the bugs to be worked out.

--G
Fair enough. I have only two words to say to you sir.....

Super Tenere.

Ahh crap, Khunajawdge beat me to it. :clapping:

Tease #1

Tease #2

French Tease

Parallel twin, shaft drive, tubeless tires... Hmm, w/o all the chrome show bling and cloth 'body work', and some real world items like a seat and exhaust, this could be interesting. Hopefully cost less than the new VFR too. ;)

That's all well and good, but the Super Tenere isn't a bike we're likely to see here anytime soon - if ever...

 
That's all well and good, but the Super Tenere isn't a bike we're likely to see here anytime soon - if ever...
Well duh. Difference is, I know that. This is the fantasy moto thread, after all.

It will be interesting to see if Honda brings a VFR to the Seattle IMS.

 
"Le tout devrait rester sous la barre des 200 kilos a sec." OK, Eric; now I'm interested! If this Super Tenere is really and truly coming out at just 440 pounds, then this is indeed a serious off road bike. Versus GS at 535 and 990 ADV at 520 lbs.!
I'm thinking it's also a 660 single, not a 990+ twin... Bit different there.

If Honda was still selling a 'ton' of them -- we'd be seeing new versions. But, it appears that a competitive sport-touring bike must now be at least 1200cc...? :unsure: :rolleyes:
This bike has had a 4 year cycle since the '80s, they ruined the bike and then let it sit for EIGHT boring years. It's their fault if they're not selling any. :-\

 
Well, he is surrounded by them now. Maybe the kool aid is starting to absorb by osmosis...
When yer a salesman...you'll say ANYTHING. :)

First motorcycle I yearned for...when I was 14...was a BMW R90/6.
Keep your eyes on our Forum, my good friend Wheatie. Papa Chuy just may be taking a R90S stroll down memory lane soon!
Oh God, Don....How I lusted for an R90S back in the mid 70s. But oh, the expense. It was all a mid-20s hooligan could do to afford two-stroke mix and bandages required by my H-3 Kaw. But lordy, that R90S was eye candy for the soul.....

r90sbig.jpg


I can't help but believe it was the S that gave me the inspiration to get one of these in '78.....

Kawasaki%20Z1R-Turbo.jpg


and the inspiration remains until today, with this still in my garage.....

2002-Kawasaki-ZRX1200Rb-small.jpg


I know, I know.....apples and oranges.....but when you're an impressionable 23 year old when the '75 R90S hit the streets, it was all about "the look," not what lay underneath.

I tip my hat to you, Papa Chuy, and your glorious airhead.

'Howie

 
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Well, he is surrounded by them now. Maybe the kool aid is starting to absorb by osmosis...
When yer a salesman...you'll say ANYTHING. :)

First motorcycle I yearned for...when I was 14...was a BMW R90/6.
Keep your eyes on our Forum, my good friend Wheatie. Papa Chuy just may be taking a R90S stroll down memory lane soon!
Oh God, Don....How I lusted for an R90S back in the mid 70s. But oh, the expense. It was all a mid-20s hooligan could do to afford two-stroke mix and bandages required by my H-3 Kaw. But lordy, that R90S was eye candy for the soul.....

r90sbig.jpg


I can't help but believe it was the S that gave me the inspiration to get one of these in '78.....

Kawasaki%20Z1R-Turbo.jpg


and the inspiration remains until today, with this still in my garage.....

2002-Kawasaki-ZRX1200Rb-small.jpg


I know, I know.....apples and oranges.....but when you're an impressionable 23 year old when the '75 R90S hit the streets, it was all about "the look," not what lay underneath.

I tip my hat to you, Papa Chuy, and your glorious airhead.

'Howie
RadioHowie: Here is what is currently shaking down! Geoff "ROUNDEL" Oprandy is a good friend and riding companion of Greg "SkooterG" Marbach and I.

He is in his mid-forties, a very wealthy Scottsdale businessman and up to a month ago had three dozen collectible BMW's and Ducati's in his personal collection. He's now thinning down his collection and I'm in the market for one of the following.

Geoff, Greg and I had lunch together on Wednesday; and then we three looked closely at the six Beemers I'm interested in.

1) 1974 BMW R90S: This was a Belgium Police Authority bike, still has sirens and lights; rough condition, 72,000 kilometers.

2) 1984 R100CS: This is a rare beast, less than 2,000 R100CS models were ever built; and a lot were destroyed in racing!

3) 1977 BMW R100RS in the incredible blueish silver; this happens to be Geoff's favorite personal bike; probably won't sell!

4) 1975 BMW R90S, Daytona Orange, set up exactly like Reg Pridmore's AMA Superbike racer; extremely finicky hot motor!

5) 1980 BMW R100RS, but set up with not stock S fairing and S clip on bars; very pretty original red, but not in stock livery.

6) 1982 BMW R100S repairable, sadly Geoff had low speed get off on this one, damaged on right side from fairing to R bag.

I owned the very first BMW Silver Smoke R90S shipped to California back in Fall of 1973. I am leaning towards the 1974.

However, the 1984 R100CS is absolutely cherry in bright white, even has the Krauser saddlebags in the so very rare white!

 
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4) 1974 BMW R90S, Daytona Orange, set up exactly like Reg Pridmore's AMA Superbike racer; extremely finicky hot motor!
I owned the very first BMW Silver Smoke R90S shipped to California back in Fall of 1973. I am leaning towards the 1974.
[envy]+1 ON THE '74. Just get yourself an AVGAS 105 octane hook-up and drive that beauty![/envy]

'Howie

 
4) 1974 BMW R90S, Daytona Orange, set up exactly like Reg Pridmore's AMA Superbike racer; extremely finicky hot motor!
I owned the very first BMW Silver Smoke R90S shipped to California back in Fall of 1973. I am leaning towards the 1974.
[envy]+1 ON THE '74. Just get yourself an AVGAS 105 octane hook-up and drive that beauty![/envy]

'Howie
Howie, I just noticed my fat, old, arthritic fingers did a typo. You probably saw it yourself, the Daytona Orange is a "1975".

Silver Smoke was only available BMW factory color in the 1974 "S" model line up. 1975 saw both colors available to buyers!!!

 
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4) 1974 BMW R90S, Daytona Orange, set up exactly like Reg Pridmore's AMA Superbike racer; extremely finicky hot motor!
I owned the very first BMW Silver Smoke R90S shipped to California back in Fall of 1973. I am leaning towards the 1974.
[envy]+1 ON THE '74. Just get yourself an AVGAS 105 octane hook-up and drive that beauty![/envy]

'Howie
Howie, I just noticed my fat, old, arthritic fingers did a typo. You probably saw it yourself, the Daytona Orange is a "1975".

Silver Smoke was the only available BMW factory color in the 1974 model line up. 1975 saw both colors available to buyers!
Funny you bring it up...I thought the Daytona Orange was a '75 color, but I am both too ignorant about model year colors and too much a gentleman (right!) to have mentioned it. :)

Personally, I'd "relive a dream" and wouldn't think twice about the '75. Although to own such a machine would be to drive such a machine. I'd probably shim the jugs and drop the compression a point or two to live with modern fuels and for the sake of longevity.

 
4) 1974 BMW R90S, Daytona Orange, set up exactly like Reg Pridmore's AMA Superbike racer; extremely finicky hot motor!
I owned the very first BMW Silver Smoke R90S shipped to California back in Fall of 1973. I am leaning towards the 1974.
[envy]+1 ON THE '74. Just get yourself an AVGAS 105 octane hook-up and drive that beauty![/envy]

'Howie
Howie, I just noticed my fat, old, arthritic fingers did a typo. You probably saw it yourself, the Daytona Orange is a "1975".

Silver Smoke was the only available BMW factory color in the 1974 model line up. 1975 saw both colors available to buyers!
Funny you bring it up...I thought the Daytona Orange was a '75 color, but I am both too ignorant about model year colors and too much a gentleman (right!) to have mentioned it. :)

Personally, I'd "relive a dream" and wouldn't think twice about the '75. Although to own such a machine would be to drive such a machine. I'd probably shim the jugs and drop the compression a point or two to live with modern fuels and for the sake of longevity.
Howie, Geoff's Reg Pridmore replica was built for him by Omar Sayeid, owner of MotoGhost BMW Airhead Restorations in Phoenix. Omar did a dead nuts duplicate of all of the hot factory parts in this motor when Reg was terrorizing Laguna Seca, Daytona and Watkins Glen. But this particular machine is a son of a ***** to operate, it always has to be kept high in RPM's!!

 
Howie, Geoff's Reg Pridmore replica was built for him by Omar Sayeid, owner of MotoGhost BMW Airhead Restorations in Phoenix. Omar did a dead nuts duplicate of all of the hot factory parts in this motor when Reg was terrorizing Laguna Seca, Daytona and Watkins Glen. But this particular machine is a son of a ***** to operate, it always has to be kept high in RPM's!!
Drive it like you stole it and keep the revs up!!!

 
That's all well and good, but the Super Tenere isn't a bike we're likely to see here anytime soon - if ever...
It will be interesting to see if Honda brings a VFR to the Seattle IMS.
So shaft drive notwithstanding, what will this Super Tenere do that my VStrom 1000 won't? Although I'm actively kinda / sorta trying to sell the Strom now, I keep coming back to adding bags and improved suspension for a couple grand and be satisfied. The Super Tenere does look pretty sharp though!

Hopefully Honda will have a VFR at the bike show that we can touch / sit on. If it's a center piece on a turnstyle that would a bummer.

--G

 
So shaft drive notwithstanding, what will this Super Tenere do that my VStrom 1000 won't?
Equipped with state-of-the-art technologies like traction control, ABS and a unified brake system (UBS), the new Super Ténéré is ready to take you beyond the boundaries of travel.
My FJR can't even take me beyond the boundaries of travel. I don't even know what that might be like, or what it is, for that matter. This thing sounds bad-***, albeit a bit mythological....

 
So shaft drive notwithstanding, what will this Super Tenere do that my VStrom 1000 won't?
Really go off road. :D If it's really 400 lbs dry, and 1200cc, some Jesse bags and lights and it could be pretty entertaining and capable.

Hopefully Honda will have a VFR at the bike show that we can touch / sit on. If it's a center piece on a turnstyle that would a bummer.
No kidding. That was the worst mistake Kawi made with the C-14. Stupid turntable and no sit on bike. IOW, not ready for prime time. Don't hold your breath though. I'm personally thinking we'll get hosed on a IMS VFR. Just take a nice shot of some empty carpet space in the Honda area.

 
Howie, Geoff's Reg Pridmore replica was built for him by Omar Sayeid, owner of MotoGhost BMW Airhead Restorations in Phoenix. Omar did a dead nuts duplicate of all of the hot factory parts in this motor when Reg was terrorizing Laguna Seca, Daytona and Watkins Glen. But this particular machine is a son of a ***** to operate, it always has to be kept high in RPM's!!
Drive it like you stole it and keep the revs up!!!
Howie, you know what really made me feel old this last Wednesday? SkooterG and I were giving the 1974 Silver Smoke R90S a close examination in Geoff's garage; and Greg pointed to an item on the bike and asked what it was. The item he was asking about was: THE KICKSTARTER! My young puppy friend SkootyG did not know what a BMW side operated kick starter looked like. As you may remember, BMW kept the kickstarter through 1974, but eliminated it from the 1975 models.

 
The FZ1 was late to the party Eric. It wasn't even introduced yet when my VFR was being made, which BTW was already the 5th generation of VFRs.
Bio was speaking of circa '99. And you're right Fred, they just couldn't figure that poor bike out. ;) But they kept trying and trying to get it right. Still working on it too. And I think the one guy that liked Vtec on the VFR lives in Florida. (No slight to the FL boys)

Bikes like our FJRs. Both bikes are like swiss army knives, they do everything well, (except not 2-up in the case of the VFR).
I beg to differ, The FJR does only a couple of things really well. It does many things OK. The VFR, IMHO, does nothign really well, but is passingly medocre in many t hings.

The one thing the old VFR (can't speak to the latest one) has over the likes of the FJR in spades is in the handling.
Pluease! The VFR was decent in handling, not stellar, but decent. The FJR is about the same. Both have many weaknesses in the handling dept, but can be ridden well with practice and effort.

I must say, Eric, that you are the only person I have ever heard dissing the old VFR's quite so much.

It must be that the rest of us are all wrong... :rolleyes:

But seriously, if you think the FJR handles as good as a VFR you must have a numb butt. They aren't even close, my friend. Not even close.

As to the actual subject of this thread, the new VFR1200, it sure is a different response to new technology than when Yamaha introduced the AE. Sounds to me like maybe Honda got it right first time. But personally, I am still not in the market for an auto-shifting bike yet. The added complexity is just not worth the benefit, IMO Maybe in another 20 years when I can't pull in the clutch lever anymore. ;)

 
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