Say no to slow KTM 1190R in the right hands

[Panman]

Panman, might need to take you up on your trailer storage offer, as I have next to no room in the garage.

You know where I live, we'll hide it in the blackberry's!

 

[Hudson]

Gixxer, my bad. I rode both bikes at different times, but I was referencing the new four, not the old twin, in my posts.

Headed over just now to pay for this....most I've ever paid for a bike. No deals on the bike, but did manage a 20% discount on parts. Supply and demand...a guy in Portland was asking $5k over list for an R, which is highway robbery. Can't fault the dealer, and frankly, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than a new GSA.

 

[Auburn]

Gixxer, my bad. I rode both bikes at different times, but I was referencing the new four, not the old twin, in my posts.
Headed over just now to pay for this....most I've ever paid for a bike. No deals on the bike, but did manage a 20% discount on parts. Supply and demand...a guy in Portland was asking $5k over list for an R, which is highway robbery. Can't fault the dealer, and frankly, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than a new GSA.

Can't wait for my test ride

 

[Hudson]

Stopped by the dealer today to pay the freight, and they had just unloaded a herd of new KTMs.

The new 1290 SuperDukes were already sold. 180 hp worth of wicked bike.

And only one 1190R...mine.

Let me just say it outright: anyone who thinks this bike is beautiful needs their eyes examined. This is one modern ugly duckling. Yep: UGGLLEEE. It won't hurt my feelings one bit if you think so. She's not entering any beauty contests.

She's sleeping overnite at the dealer and has a new pair of knobby shoes to replace her Reeboks, plus some heated mitts.

 

[dcarver]

Ahhh, she aint Ugly, she be FUGLY!

..and since you don't do FUGLY, ship it my way?

 

[Geezer]

I don't think she's ugly. I would prefer less white and more orange, but overall it looks very nice. There is beauty in function.

 

[Fred W]

To my way of thinking, any motorcycle is only as beautiful as it's functionality or performance potential. I don't get where people think the "lines" or colors of a bike design make it attractive (or not).

To me, that new ADV-R has "wicked good fun" written all over it. I'd say that makes it beautiful.

 

[Hudson]

Let's just say she's not pretty then. As for the Adventure bikes, I think BMW and the Super Tenere are the better looking bikes, but the KTM is the better performing bike, both off and onroad. I didn't mention the Multistrada, which is also nice looking but not a serious off-road bike.

The KTM 990, especially the blue Dakar Rally edition, is quite the looker!

 

[beemerdons]

I don't think she's ugly. I would prefer less white and more orange, but overall it looks very nice. There is beauty in function.

I'm with Geezer Greg, she sure looks beautiful to me Dave! But unlike CA hippie dcarver, Papa Chuy actually rides offroad! jes' sayin' and nuff said, ese!

 

[Niehart]

I'm not jealous but I do hope it raining when you pick the bike up.

 

[Auburn]

I don't think she's ugly. I would prefer less white and more orange, but overall it looks very nice. There is beauty in function.

I'm with Geezer Greg, she sure looks beautiful to me Dave! But unlike CA hippie dcarver, Papa Chuy actually rides offroad! jes' sayin' and nuff said, ese!

Did you see his driveway...

 

[HotRodZilla]

The new 1190 Adventure is dead sexy. It is the 990 that's ugly, but functional. The S10s are uglier than sin. Oh well, what ever floats your boat.

 

[Auburn]

Just saw it here at the house. Hurry up and get it broke in so we can flog it it a little

 

[escapefjrtist]

Congrats Hudson, can't wait to check out the new scoot!

--G

 

[Panman]

Very cool Dave, you need to trade that fancy place you got for a place in the woods where you can build a big garage!

 

[Hudson]

Well Bryan, I didn't get her broke in, but I did get her broke.

Spent the past two days adding farkles, but ran into some hiccups. Installing the monster Black Dog Cycle Works skid plate means removing the side stand mounts from the engine case, but when I did this, one of the bolts stripped out. They use torx screws everywhere... hate the damn things. So now I got to figure a way to drill it out.... sigh. So, with less than 50 miles on her, she's sidelined until I get time.

The first 50 miles were brilliant!

I moved the bikes around and got them all to fit. But Panman is right, I need a big garage.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Use a small drill bit and an easy out. Hopefully it grabs and makes life easy.

 

[Auburn]

Use a small drill bit and an easy out. Hopefully it grabs and makes life easy.

from what he described to me it will take some heat also to get the locktite to let go.

 

[Fred W]

My experience with easy-outs is not so good. Typically if the bolt was tight enough to get the head stripped it is too tight for a smaller diameter easy out to back it out unless/until you get the fastener loosened first somehow. If you put too much torque on the easy out, being hardened tool steel, it will snap off and then you are in a worse condition than when you started. With a piece of hardened steel stuck in the bolt, your drilling days are over.

I prefer to drill the head off the stuck bolt first, using a drill bit the same diameter, or just a hair larger, than the shank of the bolt. Once you get the head drilled down to the shank, the head will pop off and you'll release all of the tension on the bolt. At that point you can get the other bolts out and remove the part (in this case the side stand) and there will often be enough of the bolt sticking out of the threaded part to allow you to grab it with vice grips. If not, you can then resort to the easy out, which may work better now that the clamping forces are removed. And, as said, if lock-tite was used then heat is your friend.

FWIW - Torx bolts are actually superior to allen bolts in their ability to resist stripping out at elevated torque. You do want to have a good set of Torx sockets so they grab the bolt without deforming.

 

[Auburn]

My experience with easy-outs is not so good. Typically if the bolt was tight enough to get the head stripped it is too tight for a smaller diameter easy out to back it out unless/until you get the fastener loosened first somehow. If you put too much torque on the easy out, being hardened tool steel, it will snap off and then you are in a worse condition than when you started. With a piece of hardened steel stuck in the bolt, your drilling days are over.
I prefer to drill the head off the stuck bolt first, using a drill bit the same diameter, or just a hair larger, than the shank of the bolt. Once you get the head drilled down to the shank, the head will pop off and you'll release all of the tension on the bolt. At that point you can get the other bolts out and remove the part (in this case the side stand) and there will often be enough of the bolt sticking out of the threaded part to allow you to grab it with vice grips. If not, you can then resort to the easy out, which may work better now that the clamping forces are removed. And, as said, if lock-tite was used then heat is your friend.

FWIW - Torx bolts are actually superior to allen bolts in their ability to resist stripping out at elevated torque. You do want to have a good set of Torx sockets so they grab the bolt without deforming.

Fred, I am with you on this normally.

Hudson's problem is the bolt is torqued into the engine case. Your method would involve splitting the engine cases to get the bolt out. I think with the bolt he is working on, if we take our time and apply heat in the right area with steady pressure on the easy out we can get it to break loose. It will be a slow process to keep from breaking the easy out. We may still end up there, but I think in this case we will at least try to get the bolt out first with an easy out and heat. He is going to bring the bike by so we can put it on the lift and really take our time on it.