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On a slightly different tact, I've not dragged a peg yet since replacing the stock 2006 rear shock, 40k, with a 3-way adjustable Penske. Ok, I lie, I dragged *something* after the Penske install, and it scared the shit out of me.. it was NOT the peg.. and I started thinking I just might be leveraging the rear tire off the ground... but I needed that lean angle to make the turn... and I will [SIZE=8pt]hopefully [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]NEVER run a corner wide.. So I stuck to it.. and made it..[/SIZE]
Just saying that with stock suspension I used to routinely leave peg scrapes in the asphalt; made me feel like Bostrom or something.. After the Penske shock install, only dragged something once, and it was scary.. Not a peg.. something else.. So my 'early warning system is now by-bye... (

[SIZE=8pt]the foot peg scraping[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt])... which is why I now routinely hang off for all 'aggressive' corners.. to keep the bike upright.[/SIZE]
When I went to the pre-Infineon race BBQ at Leo Vince exhausts, I talked to a guy who told me that once you install custom suspension you will NEVER be satisfied again with stock suspension. I took note of this since I have the original stock suspension on my FJR, which is now at something like 46K miles. So I need to be thinking about that soon I think. And I have been mindful of the knowledge that special suspension can improve lean-over clearance.

How are you, Don!

Hans
Very well! :rolleyes: And your comments are correct regarding suspension upgrades. I've only done the rear, will be riding up to GPS soon for the front fork rebuild, which others have said is more significant than the rear shock!? Wanna head up north with me? I'll be making this a ss1k ride..
Back to topic, recently TWN and RenoJohn came to visit. TWN made a comment which, initially, I kind of didn't like.. he said 'in the corners your bike is much more upright that RJ's, he really lays his bike over'... I was running a me880 rear and a super sticky front, a Diablo Corsa, and TWN's comment initially kind of bruised my ego. Then I got to thinking about.. if I can bend the same corner at the same speed with a more upright angle... maybe that ain't a bad thing? I recall TWN saying he has never dragged a peg, and I can tell you that boy can rock through severe off camber decreasing radius coners...

 
Thanks everyone. I am going back to the twisties and practice running them and scrapping my peg. I am also going to attend one of the Total Control Classes. Next one in my area is September.

I kinda enjoyed being on the bottom of the pile. :)

Thanks All!

John

 
Yah! Some suspension adjustments are probably due for me, but the feelers will scrape before the rubber runs out. Just consider them a warning...

 
Thanks everyone. I am going back to the twisties and practice running them and scrapping my peg. I am also going to attend one of the Total Control Classes. Next one in my area is September.
I kinda enjoyed being on the bottom of the pile. :)

Thanks All!

John
Good on ya, John, for putting yourself out there with some honest personal observations and risking a forum pile-on (wasn't too bad s'far as I can tell :) ). But best of all, that's great you're going to take a course. I also recommend books, like David Hough's, Pat Hahn's, and others. A bunch of us who recently took the class can also recommend StreetMasters at Button Willow. Keep the rubber side down!

 
First off, I try very hard NOT to put a peg down.

Having said that, I have, on rare occasion, put a peg on the pavement. The first time I scraped a peg, I was navigating Shady Valley solo. First thing I did was pull all the seat fabric into a big wad. Simultaneously, a little voice in my mind kept saying "Ride the bike. Ride the bike." I held my line and made it thru the turn. After exiting the turn, I thought, to my great amazement, "WOW! I scraped the peg! So that's what that feels like"

Point here is...standing the bike up, crossing the centerline to the opposite shoulder is, as you already know, a prescription for real bad things to happen...but I"m sure we've all blown a turn or two in our riding careers. Now that you know what it feels like, it won't be such a surprise and shouldn't elicit a panic reaction.

Be safe out there.

 
1. Am I the only idiot that has ever done this?

I know many FJR that never was ride this way

2. If I scrape a peg again what do i do? I really did not like my solution and was very happy no other cars were coming around the corner.

Congratulate by yourself about your ride level, and enjoy it, is very fun.

 
Point here is...standing the bike up, crossing the centerline to the opposite shoulder is, as you already know, a prescription for real bad things to happen...but I"m sure we've all blown a turn or two in our riding careers. Now that you know what it feels like, it won't be such a surprise and shouldn't elicit a panic reaction.
Given my general inexperience as a rider, I am concerned that in the event of a panic reaction (what Keith Code refers to as your survival instincts being set off), I will elect to crash the bike instead of riding it (as you say above).

The tragedy in that scenario is that what will have occurred is that the rider's limits will have been reached way (possibly waaaaaaaay) before the bike's limits. A perfect example of crashing the bike (or creating a crash) is going in too hot to a curve and thinking that unless you straighten up the bike and brake, you will crash.

Well, in fact (for this scenario) the bike could have made the turn if the rider had pushed the bars down further and held an even, or increasing, throttle. But because of the rider's limitations, meaning his lack of knowledge and experience in leaning the bike aggressively at speed through a turn while scraping a peg, he causes a crash by standing the bike up (not talking about you, John, BTW, but a hypothetical).

That's the reason I try to push my and the bike's limits* so that I can gain the knowledge and experience to "ride the bike" and not panic.

I've heard from those who know on this forum that when your peg starts to scrape you've got a "lot" more lean over available. I have not wanted to experiment with that on public roads, so when we were at StreetMasters on a closed course, at the end of the day when we had free time on the track, I went out there and purposely "cooked" the corners so that I could learn more about FJR clearance and my own abilities to tighten down a corner rather than go off the road.

It was fun as hell but also scary--I was afraid I'd crash; managed not to. No surprise: you have more lean-over clearance on the right side vs. the left, where you've got that big ol' center stand hanging out there. I also found that I started doing this weird body English with my legs when I got nervous in a turn, bringing them off the tank and trying to balance the bike differently with them. Anyway, I've got a lot to learn still. Next up: Keith Code's Superbike School.

Jb

*I've scraped a peg when making a left turn on a (fairly remote) public street starting from a stop at a left-turn arrow, just to practice leaning the bike aggressively, quickly. I did it on my Sportster a few months back at a stop sign, turning right after a full stop (rural, no traffic anywhere), but the pavement was greasy from the 90-degree weather, and I low-sided. Picked the bike and myself up, dusted off my ego, and was on my way (finger took a beating from having the brake lever smash down on it, and it swelled up for a couple months).

So you do this stuff at your own risk, but I maintain that this kind of probing and practice prepares you to "ride the bike" when the time comes that it really matters--like when I changed lanes on the freeway from the fast no. 1 lane to the no. 2 lane just as a maniac SUV driver flew into the same space out of my right-quarter blind spot.

We were all going about 75 MPH on a downhill curve to the right, and by now a car was to my left in the no. 1 lane. I swerved like nobody's business into a nano-space on the white line between the nos.1 and 2 lanes with cars on either side and the pavement curving to the right. That's the closest I ever got to being killed on a M.C. But I'm proud of how I manhandled that big ol' FJR in a pinch at speed with a flick-flick.

Sadly, I contributed to this scenario by having failed to check my blind spot under the false presumption that there were no maniacs flying through rush-hour traffic and changing lanes very 5 seconds. But what really saved my bacon was my riding strategy of only ever making "soft" lane changes, and not moving immediately into the center of a lane, but going over gradually.

This was a perfect example of the "three degrees of separation." Degree 1--Good strategies, namely, soft lane change and (usually :( ) a head check. If that fails, then degree 2--good skills, in this case swerving. Degree 3 was thankfully not needed, namely ATGATT.

[i guess I'm in a chatty mood this morning....and didactic too. :D ]

 
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Street Masters has been highly recommended to me also. Which do you guys recommend more Total Control or Street Masters and what is the difference for you all the have taken both?

I think I will pick up a book to get me by until I can attend a class.

Thank you all for your helpful comments.

 
Just a thought...

A long time ago ('78) I was getting ready for my first road race.

My practice regimen consisted of going to a large, empty parking lot on Sunday (at a college, for example) and going around in figure eights at around 30 mph or so. Over and over.

Eventually I got to the point where I could drag toes almost every time, and grind (or at least touch) the center stand most of the time. The result was that I got used to the lean angles and learned to have faith in the bike and the tires.

So when I went to the track I had already learned I could lean a LOT farther than I had thought, which made me faster. This helped on the street too.

 
Street Masters has been highly recommended to me also. Which do you guys recommend more Total Control or Street Masters and what is the difference for you all the have taken both?
I think I will pick up a book to get me by until I can attend a class.

Thank you all for your helpful comments.
Another thing that will really help is doing trackdays....NOT an open track day rather, an advanced street riding-type school but not necessarily an ARC.

Though an ARC may very well help you, it's not the track and IMO the track is the proper environment to explore this kind of stuff. A popular organizer here in the Northeast is Tony's Trackdays, for example. There are usually three groups for particular riding paces.

 
So when I went to the track I had already learned I could lean a LOT farther than I had thought, which made me faster. This helped on the street too.
Sounds like good practice. For me, what assures me about the amazing lean angles possible on a motorcycle tire, is to watch MotoGP. OMG! And at 120 MPH! :eek:

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I touched the left peg down last year for the first time. It was on Rotary (roundabout) late at night. It was just a little chirp. I got so excited I kept going around the traffic circle scraping longer and longer. I wasn't satisfied until I scraped the whole thing at a consistent lean angle. Then I turned off my exit and continued, smiling like a schoolboy after his first rounding of 2nd base. :) It's FUN.

..oh ya I have a Penske shock and 1.1kg Sonic springs up front.

 
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fhaze wrote:

"I touched the left peg down last year for the first time. It was on Rotary (roundabout) late at night. It was just a little chirp. I got so excited I kept going around the traffic circle scraping longer and longer. I wasn't satisfied until I scraped the whole thing at a consistent lean angle. Then I turned off my exit and continued, smiling like a schoolboy after his first rounding of 2nd base. It's FUN."

The last time I stopped by my local Yami dealer, there was a guy on a Goldwing riding continual figure 8's and circles in the parking lot. Whenever he had the bike leaned over he was scraping the floorboards. This went on for at least 30 minutes because when I left the store he was still at it! Wasn't you by chance was it fhaze?

 
Hi All. ( i did post an intro )

I was looking for a thread like this because i have an FJR1300 which i bought in March. I have found myself constantly scraping pegs on both sides in any good bends. This is a matter of bike clearence as opposed to anything else.

I am a bit disappointed as in all other respects these bikes are outstanding. I have just returned from a Tour of France and Italy and on alpine twisties the pegs were constantly scraping

I am worried.......... about a peg digging into a surface imperfection while scraping and me being thrown off the bike.

 
The last time I stopped by my local Yami dealer, there was a guy on a Goldwing riding continual figure 8's and circles in the parking lot. Whenever he had the bike leaned over he was scraping the floorboards. This went on for at least 30 minutes because when I left the store he was still at it! Wasn't you by chance was it fhaze?
Nosir, but if I *did* ever buy a Goldwing....no wait that would never happen.

 
I spent last Friday at the track on my BMW 1200R/T and beveled the left peg 1/2 way off and clear snapped the right one off. The pegs are there to let you know you are approaching the "point of no return". The bike is perfectly capable of being ridden all day scrapping the pegs. Just try not to go much farther into the lean................................. B)

 
For info, here are 2 shots of the pegs of a mate's FJR. I do scrape pegs occassionally, but not generally on the road (always on the track), but these are fron road scraping (feelers, what feelers?):

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It is frightening though to hear of guys sitting up and crossing the centreline after scraping a peg.

 
<snip>... I have found myself constantly scraping pegs on both sides in any good bends. This is a matter of bike clearence as opposed to anything else.I am a bit disappointed as in all other respects these bikes are outstanding. I have just returned from a Tour of France and Italy and on alpine twisties the pegs were constantly scraping

I am worried.......... about a peg digging into a surface imperfection while scraping and me being thrown off the bike
You have a right to be disappointed -- Yamaha sold the bike as a sport-touring bike (but, really meant 'touring' -- I think?).

And you should be worried about catching a peg, too. I think you may need to modify your '03's suspension -- if you plan to continue 'sport-touring'?

When the FJR came to America in '03, Mitch Boehm (Motorcyclist Magazine editor) said about the bike's cornering clearance: "Yamaha 'screwed-the-pooch'...."

A new rear shock, up-graded springs, 'dogbones', etc. are probably needed -- especially if you plan to use the bike as advertised. :( :unsure:

 
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