Yep, don't miss that **** at all. I note Colonial is building a temporary bypass around the leak site. This is pretty expensive and is hardly ever done for big diameter pipelines. The guberment will still make Colonial jump through hoops to make sure the existing pipeline doesn't have another leak like this one somewhere else before they start up the bypassed line.Now arent you glad you retired from that mess
Short term gas shortage in Nashville area
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El Toro
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Fred and I agree that $6/gal gas would cut down the hoarding for many people, just by virtue of the fact that many people live from paycheck to paycheck, and it would cut into their cigarettes, beer, and general walkin' 'round money.
And I would add that, while people in urban areas are often easily driven into a frenzy, they are also living in much denser distributions.
Students live in probably the densest housing of all, with rules about co-habitation of many many unrelated people often relaxed or ignored for housing that would normally be serving a unit with two cars. In student residential areas, often that same unit will be serviing four to six cars. What we noticed from first hand reports is that the areas around Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro and the areas around Vanderbilt University in Nashville were out of gas within a short announcement of the anticipated 15 cent price hike. Maybe students are more gas budget sensitive too, plus they're often not working an 8 am to 5 pm schedule so they can just run over to the gas station between classes to top off.
I would venture a guess that in the urban areas there are just a whole lot more people driving around on any given day, like a swarm of locusts, and with modern social media, the stage was set for hoarding as soon as it was announced that hoarding should not be done.
Last night it looked like a lot of the stations that had been out were restocked. There were still lines here and there, but there were no places where we saw lines extending out of the stations. We only saw a few stations that were out of gas. Most stations seemed to have gas available, and for more or less a "fair" price.
Maybe as it becomes clear that gas stations will be resupplied, the feeding frenzy will completely dissipate.
One of the other things that causes shortages in the urban areas is that many cities, like Atlanta for example, have laws in place that require boutique fuel blends to help mitigate pollution. The supply of these specially crafted boutique blends always dries up first. That's one of the reasons for declaring an emergency. It allows them to ignore these special blending regulations, but they still have to find fuel from the same zero sum game that exists on any given day in this industry. The pie can grow, but there is always a bit of lag.
Last comment.... if you study alternative fuels, pricing, supply, costs from field or well to wheels, etc., one of the basic premises is that people will pay what they have to for as long as they can. They're not going to park the car or bike until there is no other choice. They've paid for it, or they're paying for it. The cost to run it is just an unavoidable expense, and it is generally a fraction over the life of the vehicle compared to the cost of the vehicle itself.
So eventually people figure out how to suck up the cost of fuel in their budget, but first hand observation shows that when the price rises to $4+/gal in most areas of the US, a lot of what once might have been thought of as necessary driving becomes unnecessary driving.
And I would add that, while people in urban areas are often easily driven into a frenzy, they are also living in much denser distributions.
Students live in probably the densest housing of all, with rules about co-habitation of many many unrelated people often relaxed or ignored for housing that would normally be serving a unit with two cars. In student residential areas, often that same unit will be serviing four to six cars. What we noticed from first hand reports is that the areas around Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro and the areas around Vanderbilt University in Nashville were out of gas within a short announcement of the anticipated 15 cent price hike. Maybe students are more gas budget sensitive too, plus they're often not working an 8 am to 5 pm schedule so they can just run over to the gas station between classes to top off.
I would venture a guess that in the urban areas there are just a whole lot more people driving around on any given day, like a swarm of locusts, and with modern social media, the stage was set for hoarding as soon as it was announced that hoarding should not be done.
Last night it looked like a lot of the stations that had been out were restocked. There were still lines here and there, but there were no places where we saw lines extending out of the stations. We only saw a few stations that were out of gas. Most stations seemed to have gas available, and for more or less a "fair" price.
Maybe as it becomes clear that gas stations will be resupplied, the feeding frenzy will completely dissipate.
One of the other things that causes shortages in the urban areas is that many cities, like Atlanta for example, have laws in place that require boutique fuel blends to help mitigate pollution. The supply of these specially crafted boutique blends always dries up first. That's one of the reasons for declaring an emergency. It allows them to ignore these special blending regulations, but they still have to find fuel from the same zero sum game that exists on any given day in this industry. The pie can grow, but there is always a bit of lag.
Last comment.... if you study alternative fuels, pricing, supply, costs from field or well to wheels, etc., one of the basic premises is that people will pay what they have to for as long as they can. They're not going to park the car or bike until there is no other choice. They've paid for it, or they're paying for it. The cost to run it is just an unavoidable expense, and it is generally a fraction over the life of the vehicle compared to the cost of the vehicle itself.
So eventually people figure out how to suck up the cost of fuel in their budget, but first hand observation shows that when the price rises to $4+/gal in most areas of the US, a lot of what once might have been thought of as necessary driving becomes unnecessary driving.
I was out and about yesterday- every gas station I passed in north & central NC had no fuel to sell, even the neighborhood mom-n-pop shops. It's got nothing to do with metro areas, at least here. I guess the overall views from on high have nothing to do with the reality of actually living, working and traveling here
Funny thing tho, every station I passed in Virginia had gas for sale at regular prices ($1.99).
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wheatonFJR
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I hope Wayno is not having a problemo. I believe he is shredding rubber in GA/NC somewhere.
Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
GasBuddy for Wytheville is showing situation normal with prices between around 1.90.
N4HHE
Well-known member
The broken line was said to have been carrying 40% of the southeast's gasoline. A second line in parallel was mostly used for distillates such as diesel. Now they are pushing more gasoline down #2.
The sad news is that government makes construction of new pipelines so difficult there are so few alternates to this one pipe.
The sad news is that government makes construction of new pipelines so difficult there are so few alternates to this one pipe.
Burnspot
Who Me?
Here in eastern NC, it didn't appear that any of the gas pumps I passed on my way in this morning were out yet (looking for covered pump handles). Apparently, it's a different story 60 miles west, in Raleigh, where the news is reporting outages. Could make for an interesting EOM if outages continue.
PhilJet09
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I'm heading to Nashville Thursday...we'll see.
El Toro Joe
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Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
The BP next to the Hotel is showing 2.09, the TA is showing 2.01. No outages, keep in mind, these are next to the interstate, so you would expect them to be a bit pricier.
The GasBuddy site for Wytheville
https://www.virginiagasprices.com/Wytheville/index.aspx
The GasBuddy site for Wytheville
https://www.virginiagasprices.com/Wytheville/index.aspx
Yeah, good call on Gas Buddy, Steve. I have it loaded on my iPhone too, and everywhere I check down there shows people buying gas today, and it's still cheaper than what we're paying up here.
MEM
Well-known member
There are empty gas-station tanks here in Franklin.
Good thing Mini's gassed up
Good thing Mini's gassed up
Burnspot
Who Me?
All of the stations along my route into work this morning were out of gas (Rocky Mount, NC into Wilson, NC)...5 stations.
Slowly we in central NC are returning to normal. Today about 60% of the stations are fueled up.
This is definitely a concern down south. I just pulled into Blairsville GA (Six gap). 3/4 gas stations were completely sold out and the 4th had regular only and is limiting to 10 gal max. I sent Wayne a text this morning as a heads up.
Geezer
Parsimonious Curmudgeon
Well, if there is actually a fuel shortage at EOM, which I doubt, I hope the local stores are well stocked with beer.
I didn't know I could run beer in my bike. Will the low octane stuff be ok or do I need to buy the "good" stuff?Well, if there is actually a fuel shortage at EOM, which I doubt, I hope the local stores are well stocked with beer.
wheatonFJR
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There wouldn't be such a problem but those IBA guys keep topping off their 11 Gallon tanks.
El Toro
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