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PHOENIX — Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano says the deployment of new photo radar or other speed enforcement technology on state highways is all about public safety. But her proposed state budget counts on the anticipated speeding fines to help erase a projected revenue shortfall.

The proposal, submitted to the Legislature late Friday, anticipates $120 million in revenue the first year, including $90 million in net income after expenses from the statewide effort. Even bigger dollar amounts are expected in future years.

The state faces a projected revenue shortfall of at least $1.2 billion in the fiscal year that starts July 1.

While some states use photo radar and similar technology on a limited basis in areas such as construction zones, experts said Arizona is in the vanguard of moving toward a widespread deployment of speed technology on highways.

"It wasn't designated primarily for revenue generation but since we have it (and) it works, we want to move statewide," Napolitano said. "We made that decision before the whole budget issue arose. Now we take advantage of it and use it for law enforcement highway safety purposes."

The governor's budget aides said Friday they could not immediately provide details on assumptions used to project the revenue estimate, including the numbers of expected violations.

Napolitano's plan needs approval by the Republican-led Legislature, and one key lawmaker expressed immediate opposition.

"I don't know whether Arizonans want to be policed by cameras," said Senate Transportation Chairman Ron Gould, adding that he plans legislation to require that voters decide the issue. "It smacks of Big Brother to me."

Proposals calling for even limited use of cameras have run into opposition in some states.

Maryland's transportation secretary on Tuesday told lawmakers that cameras in highway work zones would improve worker safety and reduce accidents, but lawmakers raised concerns on privacy, effectiveness and motive.

Arizona Automobile Association spokeswoman Linda Gorman said the 750,000-member group representing drivers supports photo radar as a way to improve traffic safety but not to help balance the state budget.

A year ago, Napolitano cited results from suburban Scottsdale's use of fixed cameras on a stretch of state freeway when she directed the state Department of Public Safety to begin researching the possible use of new speed enforcement devices.

An Arizona State University professor who studied the Scottsdale project found that it reduced speeding and accident rates. That system uses sensors embedded in the freeway to trigger cameras that snap photos of speeding vehicles. Motor vehicle records are checked to find the vehicles' owners, ultimately leading to citations for identified drivers.

 
I ******* HATE THIS BIG BROTHER ****!!!!

I just can't fathom, or believe that it is Arizona, the wild, independent west, that is leading the charge to an Orwellian state.

God help us.

 
I ******* HATE THIS BIG BROTHER ****!!!!
I just can't fathom, or believe that it is Arizona, the wild, independent west, that is leading the charge to an Orwellian state.

God help us.
Quit your bitchin' on a motorcycle forum and do some calling or writing. Decisions are made by those who bother to show up.

 
I ******* HATE THIS BIG BROTHER ****!!!!
I just can't fathom, or believe that it is Arizona, the wild, independent west, that is leading the charge to an Orwellian state.

God help us.
Quit your bitchin' on a motorcycle forum and do some calling or writing. Decisions are made by those who bother to show up.
Good Morning SkooterG: I'm with you 100% on this issue, Brother! But Ignacio is also correct, we have to influence our Arizona legislature and we need to do it quickly. I and Doug "El Fezzo" Banfelder are already working on a letter for our clubs to write, or use as a basis for calling, our representatives. Here is what is now posted over at www.fastour.us/

"Buenos dias El Fezzo: You and I are of the same accord regarding this unholy alliance between Arizona law enforcement and the Arizona state coffers; with newly installed speed cameras and radar masquerading as AZ safety enhancements!

This has already touched a nerve with SkooterG and I over at www.fjrforum.com and we'd like to work with you to create a common cause letter that will be disseminated to all three of the AZ M/C Clubs we ride with." www.azbeemers.org/forum

Next Sunday is the Brunch Ride to Yarnell and I'll have fifty of these letters ready to go; along with AZ politicos addresses.

 
I saw those in Germany and Belgium. All the locals new where the cameras were and slowed down for them. I noticed several of them had been vandalized.

 
So far AZ has 2 portable vehicles that they randomly move around the state so you never know where they will be. The state law requires a warning sign but I think it is just a 100 ft from cameras. The fixed cameras are a joke once you know where they are, if you want you could easily speed right by them on a bike without setting them off.

On another note, the recent addition of stunt riders doing rolling block on I-10 so they can stunt hasn't helped the image at all around here . . . .

 
I just can't fathom, or believe that it is Arizona, the wild, independent outlaw west, that is leading the charge to an Orwellian state.
:rolleyes:

When speeding is illegal, only outlaws (criminals) will speed!

I noticed several of them had been vandalized.
I thought I'd read that some of them had been vandalized with explosive devices. Kaboom, radar camera no workee so good!

But Ignacio is also correct, we have to influence our Arizona legislature and we need to do it quickly.
Before they find how much revenue can be collected compared to paying the costs for a uniformed officer and a police cruiser.
BTW, a form letter may not be as instrumental as personal letters using your form letter as a guide.

On another note, the recent addition of stunt riders doing rolling block on I-10 so they can stunt hasn't helped the image at all around here . . . .
Those guys aren't specific to your area and, yes, they hurt all of our reputations.
 
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When speeding is illegal, only outlaws (criminals) will speed!
Speed is relative.

One size does not fit all.... :angry2:
You missed my sarcastic wit. :whistle: I didn't put smilies on that statement because I thought everyone would catch the intentional "mis"quote of a certain weaponry control mantra, and that the word "outlaw" was tied to my edit of Skooter's post.

Alas..... :unknw: ...heavy sigh :sadsmiley02: ..I certainly didn't expect anyone to interpret veracity in my response. :smile3:

 
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Sorry if this is construed as a highjack, but I've often wondered why the constabulary doesn't just look at the time stamp on toll road tickets (or speed pass printouts) to hand out performance awards. I know they would have to "syncronize their watches" but how tough would that be in this age of free NNTP time servers? Seems like Big Brother is missing an easy one there...

 
I remember reading on a LEO type website that nothing raises more revenue faster than radar/cameras. It was stated that a new van and all the camera and radar gear is easily paid for in one day on a busy road. **** like that is very attractive to the revenue hounds and takes a lot of political activisim to counter. The kind of action that involves showing up but sounding the alarm on forums like this doesn't hurt either since some of us don't watch the BS news....

 
Sorry if this is construed as a highjack, but I've often wondered why the constabulary doesn't just look at the time stamp on toll road tickets (or speed pass printouts) to hand out performance awards. I know they would have to "syncronize their watches" but how tough would that be in this age of free NNTP time servers? Seems like Big Brother is missing an easy one there...
#1. There aren't any toll roads in the West.

#2. Lots of "wide open spaces". A camera in the middle of Whoknowswhere, AZ (or Texas or New Mexico or Nevada) would catch many people flying-low on the 2-lane ribbon of asphalt with no traffic or city in sight.

 
Anybody who get's a ticket from these camera's should fight it in court, (even if you are guilty).

Kinda takes away the profit margin from Big Brother.

 
Hmmmmmm.....

How do they determine who is driving? Ish't traffic citation is against the driver and not the vehicle. What do they do for speeding company vehicles? How can you ID a motorcycle rider with adhering to ATGATT? You really can't see who is driving. Hmmmmm.....

 
Hmmmmmm.....
How do they determine who is driving? Ish't traffic citation is against the driver and not the vehicle. What do they do for speeding company vehicles? How can you ID a motorcycle rider with adhering to ATGATT? You really can't see who is driving. Hmmmmm.....
It's like a parking ticket. It's not a moving violation. No points given.

 
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Sorry if this is construed as a highjack, but I've often wondered why the constabulary doesn't just look at the time stamp on toll road tickets (or speed pass printouts) to hand out performance awards.
Fred: this is exactly how it is done in many parts or Europe. If you get off the freeway in less than the allowed time, you pay.

Here in Korea the cameras are EVERYWHERE. I am happy to say that they currently only shoot the front plate. It is quite dangerous as the cagers go 80, then slam the breaks to get under 60 for the cams. Most of the time, they are under the speed limit when approaching the trap. It is terribly dangerous.

Most cagers here also have GPS, and the GPS systems indicate all pemanent cam installs.

I get about 2 or 3 tickets a year in my cage. It comes as a machine generated printout with a pic of your plate, and pic of the front of the car. You get about 10 days to dispute if this is you, then you simply t/f the funds from your acct.

I must say that overall it has drastically reduced the major accidents, and created a more aware driveng culture. The next step is that new plates are coming out with RFID chips, and only sensors will be used instead of cams, cheaper to maintain.

I frankly feel that all of us using GPS are already allowing ourselves to be tracked, and it would not be hard at all for LEO to enforce speed and many other laws using cell and gps. We have done it to ourselves. No I don't like it, but I don't see that genie crawling back in to her bottle anytime soon. Rush had it right when they sang about the Red Barchetta circa 1980...

 
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