Geezer
Parsimonious Curmudgeon
I don't know for sure if it is true, but there was a story going around in NY that a speeding ticket was given to someone based on the time stamps from their EZ Pass back when EZ Pass was fairly new to the state.
Speed cameras and radar in Arizona
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Mike:
1) ...yet.
2) "Many" is a relative term. Open spaces = low traffic density = less opportunity for revenue enhancement for the state. If I were the state I would concentrate on the busier roads for the maximum bang.
I'm sure that I don't need to remind you that there is a whole lotta the US that isn't "the west". The entire eastern seaboard is riddled with toll roads. I'm surprised they haven't started ticketing based on entry/exit time comparisons.
Having a speed pass has become almost a necessity to get around. On some roads the speed pass traffic is merely diverted from the manually paying crowd and runs past the sensors at full speed. There isn't even any kind of an indication to the driver that their speed pass has been read. Hmmmm....
madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
I got a PM from Kaitsdad that there are toll roads in Orange County (SoCal) that they use. Evidently its an inevitable encroachment. More revenue collection, I suppose.
I know that CA is using the same technology on trucks (who can now bypass scales under low-gross weight & company safety inspection parameters). Most drivers don't realize they get a time-date stamp whenyou pass. They COULD use the info to gauge your average speed between points.
I would imagine the time for using that technology to cite vehicles is approaching.
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charismaticmegafauna
Well-known member
Sorry, knee-jerk reaction....You missed my sarcastic wit.....Alas..... :unknw: ...heavy sigh :sadsmiley02: ..I certainly didn't expect anyone to interpret veracity in my response. :smile3:
I do wish those in positions of responsibility would take the 'high road' with solutions like: tiered licensing and better public transportation. But, I tend to agree w/'dragonchef':And, concerning the time stamp issue....
I was told -- several decades ago -- that was done on the New Jersey Turnpike -- but, have no actual proof.
In any event, that kind of enforcement would accomodate my riding style just fine:
ride like hell and then stop and goof-off for awhile! Pretty-much does away with any high average speeds.....
Wolfhound
Wildman
Since this is an Arizona topic, Not going to be toll roads here for a VERY long time , if ever. Middle of nowhere portable radar traps are increasing. Using them on secondary roads where traffic is always flowing & few or no accidents in the areas they have been placed at times does not make sense except for producing revenue. Safety, public good does not seem to come into play. The portable units are staffed by civilians at this point. The only small light in our tunnel is they have to post a warning sign at 100 ft or more.
RacinRay
Living The Dream
That story is untrue. The NYS Thruway Authority does not use EZPass for speed enforcement. There was an article in my local paper on that very topic. That's not to say they will not do it in the future (as the budget gap grows).
Huh? Why? You are saying that the speed traps have to have a warning sign indicating there's speed monitoring ahead? How does that influence people to drive slower? Seems to me it would just have them slow down for those required signs...
Wolfhound
Wildman
State Law ! They use ground mounted portable orange signs on the portable radar & permanent signs on permanent radar. 100 ft won't get you slowed down (depending on speed/reaction time) & the radar is aimed in a way so you don't get much warning on your RD most of the time (ie end of a nice sweeper). By the time you read the sign & react you're there....
Checkswrecks
Well-known member
They use lots of speed cameras around here. No points since they can't positivley ID the driver, but if you don't pay your license plate can be yanked. All areas using them have a small sign that photo enforcement is used. But there are so many of the signs you never know which are active and which are not. For the movable ones, we've gotten REAL good at watching for parked Ford Windstars on the road ahead.
Bob
Bob
When I-30 first opened between Dallas and Fort Worth (about 1959-60), it was the "Fort Worth-Dallas Turnpike," and in fact the time-stamps were checked by the toll collectors, and your licence number was called in if you were much too early. So us college kids just found different highways on which to race.
Good2Go
Well-known member
No toll roads needed...the technology already exists. The SPECS Safety Camera System is used in the UK, which calculates a vehicle's average speed between two fixed locations. I heard a blurb on some radio news-talk channel a couple of weeks ago about AZ looking into the technology for the more rural parts of the state.
SecuLaw
Well-known member
Well, given the county that you and I live in I'm amazed that there isn't a working one every 2o feet. Considering the alleged budget shortfall do you think they going to fire up more Windstars and turn on more of the permanently installed cameras? I have one of those cameras (its actually two cameras so that it can photo traffic going in either direction) about half a mile from my house. I'm waiting to see how long before someone takes them out, repeatedly.
SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
Huh? Whatcha talking about Willis?!?! The citations received in Arizona by photo and/or photo radar most certainly are moving violations.
They are not staffed by anyone. They police explorers or some such horsecock move them about, from place to place, but then they run on auto-fascist-pilot.
I've serious considered starting my own little revolutionary army whose sole purpose is to blow these things up for my next career, but then, I ain't ever seen the inside of a jail cell, and am currently in no hurry to do so. What can I say, I am a wimp?
LAGO RUNNER
Well-known member
OK..OK ..I am a cop in TX..my opinion on the cameras is "no good"...lets face it especially 2 wheelers we all push the speed limit alittle.. The thing is I am 30 days away from going to the motor unit, and this camera S*** is no good for job security, catch speeders the old fashion way, I say...If I get a ticket in the mail with a photo of me and my LP # I will send them a picture of my money...The key is Be safe..There is a time and place....
Wolfhound
Wildman
When did they stop having people in them ? I knew that was the plan once they had more of them up & running.
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Checkswrecks
Well-known member
As for a moving violation or not, the whole thing got challenged early on while they were still only on DC roads. The decision was that they couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt who was the person driving. Maybe the car was a loaner, a company pool-car, or being driven by a brother. So you get a piece of paper with a photo of your vehicle's front, the back, and a zoom-in shot of the license plate. If I were in an area that assigned points based on one of these, I'd check into the background of why MD and DC are not going after the operator and challenge your local law.
The District and our county own the equipment. The thing that burns me is that the whole damn deal (at least downtown) is run by a division of Lockheed and they get something like a THIRD of every fine that is paid!
SecuLaw - I'm amazed that they leave the Windstars out overnight in your area. Officers I know have said that the county knows better than to do that here.
The District and our county own the equipment. The thing that burns me is that the whole damn deal (at least downtown) is run by a division of Lockheed and they get something like a THIRD of every fine that is paid!
SecuLaw - I'm amazed that they leave the Windstars out overnight in your area. Officers I know have said that the county knows better than to do that here.
SecuLaw
Well-known member
The reason is actually simple, you can't confront your accuser, a right under our Constitution. Who is going to prove that the camera was working correctly in calibrating your speed? By the time they do all that any cost effectiveness of the camera has gone out the window. There are moving violations they just don't have any points.
Sorry, no Windstar. They have mounted a permanent camera(s) on two poles just down the road from an elementary school.
Really? Then yet another one of those state-by-state differences and a reason I wouldn't live in your state. Seems you got some more reasons to talk to your legislators.
JoshHefnerX
Well-known member
Here in PHX there were people who actually were trying to make records to get the fastest ticket on the camera... Seems to be safe to me... <_<
/hijack/ I had a friend here who said the 'rolling roadblock' happened on the US60 also on Sat. Said the jackets on many of them were sporting and R. After doing some looking I found a forum here that has an R for the logo. Anyone know about these people? https://www.devil-riders.com /hijack off/
Josh
/hijack/ I had a friend here who said the 'rolling roadblock' happened on the US60 also on Sat. Said the jackets on many of them were sporting and R. After doing some looking I found a forum here that has an R for the logo. Anyone know about these people? https://www.devil-riders.com /hijack off/
Josh
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
JoshHefnerX: Those ******* morons that did the "rolling roadblock" on I-10 and US 60 were the Ruff Ryders. Goofy jerkoffs!
You can go to https://www.ruffryders.com to check out the clowns. Surprisingly, I think I saw SkooterG in the photo galleries!!
POSTSCRIPT: On a lighter note, come ride with our Phoenix FJR Forum Club on Sunday; all details are here under Southwest.
