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Eye wish yew all 'ud kinly stop tryin tuh figger out whut the prollems ar. Jist except fokes fer whut they ar en let thuh ress bee leff alone.

Thus pertickuhler prollems ain't gunna be fixt by usn's. We ain't wunna them annointed er appointed fokes soes we cain't do nuthin' tuh change et. Only thems et wunna change kin doit, alla them uthers bees lookin fer 'scuses en bees justifyin' there own errors.

 
I notice bad spelling quite frequently on this forum. Is it because the poster is in a hurry or is it for lack of knowing.
Jus wonderin... :yahoo:

my mother tongues Germans
Could bee that thay r gust fukin stoopid oar inn aye hury two tell there storie and dont hav time too sple chk

Why the thing about your mom dude??? I don't understand.

:jester:

 
Eye wish yew all 'ud kinly stop tryin tuh figger out whut the prollems ar. Jist except fokes fer whut they ar en let thuh ress bee leff alone.
Thus pertickuhler prollems ain't gunna be fixt by usn's. We ain't wunna them annointed er appointed fokes soes we cain't do nuthin' tuh change et. Only thems et wunna change kin doit, alla them uthers bees lookin fer 'scuses en bees justifyin' there own errors.
A jeeze, now look what we have done. We pushed MM2's button again. :)

 
A jeeze, now look what we have done. We pushed MM2's button again. :)
Huh? :unsure: What? :rolleyes:

Does anyone have the interpretation for "A jeeze,"???? :blink:

One assumes I haven't inspired "awe", though it's entirely possible you meant to use "ah" (used to express delight, relief, regret, or contempt).

Most likely your intent was "ah": used to express mild disappointment, gentle entreaty, or real or mock sympathy or sentiment.

I also assume you meant to use the word "jeez" or "geez". A euphemism for Jesus: used as a mild oath or introductory expletive (as to express surprise).

But then, I'm not a particularly well educated man and certainly haven't been appointed the "Official FJR Forum Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation Monitor". :dribble:

;)

 
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According to that published opinion there are arguments for and against proper spelling and they mention that other countries have simplified the spelling, among them Germany and France and I am certain that statement is not correct.

At times I feel that everything is going to hell and nobody cares about any rules anymore. A language that is defined by the lowest common denominator will suffer and deteriorate in the long run; e.g. if 5 million people spell any one word differently which one should we consider to be correct?

 
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KM

 
I notice bad spelling quite frequently on this forum. Is it because the poster is in a hurry or is it for lack of knowing.
Jus wonderin... :yahoo:

my mother tongue/native language is German and so I am always surprised when I see all those spelling errors
I think it's a great question. I've noticed the same and never cease to be amazed that some people are either ignorant or just lazy. Let me be more to the point: It seems to me that poor spelling signals ignorance (lack of education), sloppiness, laziness, and low self-esteem (lack of caring how others perceive you whose opinion you must value or you would not be participating).

In the business world, if your e-mails and presentation white boards are fraught with spelling errors, you are viewed as unprofessional and possibly stupid (because you can't spell and because you would so foolishly jeopardize the good opinion of your colleagues who hold your career in their hands).

There is no excuse for bad spelling. You just have to care. This program red-underlines words that are misspelled. There are dictionaries and spell checks.

Spelling is not optional; it's either right or wrong. And if it's wrong, then you risk the consequences, whatever those may be. They can range from my not interviewing you for a job because you had spelling errors on your resume (as the Cal business school recruiter for my company, that was not uncommon) to my not believing your ideas are worth trying to understand because if you can't even spell why should I believe you can form a cogent thought.

BTW, typos are a different, but related, issue....

Jb

 
Hans: r u ok w tht. n o t h o h r u sure did I get it right, or rite, or wright I am confused r u???? :butcher:

 
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I notice bad spelling quite frequently on this forum. Is it because the poster is in a hurry or is it for lack of knowing.
Jus wonderin... :yahoo:

my mother tongue/native language is German and so I am always surprised when I see all those spelling errors
I think it's a great question. I've noticed the same and never cease to be amazed that some people are either ignorant or just lazy. Let me be more to the point: It seems to me that poor spelling signals ignorance (lack of education), sloppiness, laziness, and low self-esteem (lack of caring how others perceive you whose opinion you must value or you would not be participating).

In the business world, if your e-mails and presentation white boards are fraught with spelling errors, you are viewed as unprofessional and possibly stupid (because you can't spell and because you would so foolishly jeopardize the good opinion of your colleagues who hold your career in their hands).

There is no excuse for bad spelling. You just have to care. This program red-underlines words that are misspelled. There are dictionaries and spell checks.

Spelling is not optional; it's either right or wrong. And if it's wrong, then you risk the consequences, whatever those may be. They can range from my not interviewing you for a job because you had spelling errors on your resume (as the Cal business school recruiter for my company, that was not uncommon) to my not believing your ideas are worth trying to understand because if you can't even spell why should I believe you can form a cogent thought.

BTW, typos are a different, but related, issue....

Jb
Well written, Hans. :good: However, in some cases, those who hold your career in their hands can't spell either. An even scarier scenario. :blink:

 
It's not my fault. It's that stupid auto-correct in that damn I-phone piece of sh**! And how can you get the spell checker to work here?

 
I think it's a great question. I've noticed the same and never cease to be amazed that some people are either ignorant or just lazy. Let me be more to the point: It seems to me that poor spelling signals ignorance (lack of education), sloppiness, laziness, and low self-esteem (lack of caring how others perceive you whose opinion you must value or you would not be participating).
In the business world, if your e-mails and presentation white boards are fraught with spelling errors, you are viewed as unprofessional and possibly stupid (because you can't spell and because you would so foolishly jeopardize the good opinion of your colleagues who hold your career in their hands).

There is no excuse for bad spelling. You just have to care. This program red-underlines words that are misspelled. There are dictionaries and spell checks.

Spelling is not optional; it's either right or wrong. And if it's wrong, then you risk the consequences, whatever those may be. They can range from my not interviewing you for a job because you had spelling errors on your resume (as the Cal business school recruiter for my company, that was not uncommon) to my not believing your ideas are worth trying to understand because if you can't even spell why should I believe you can form a cogent thought.

BTW, typos are a different, but related, issue....

Jb
I was not going to get in on this discussion, but I decided I would after JB made an excellent point: When we speak to people who use bad grammar, the education of that person is immediately brought into question. The same happens when people cannot or do not spell correctly. It is obviously a case of "judging a book by its cover" since I know educated people that cannot spell. The difference is, people who are educated and cannot spell, very rarely submit something official that has spelling errors because they take the time to edit their work. This front is a little different in that we have many people with many education levels who may or may not care that their grammar is perfect, and I have no idea how may people feel like editing their posts to ensure totally correct grammar and spelling. I do because I am an anal butt-hole, but I don't expect that from other people. Even with my editing, I always find errors after I submit my post and sometimes I will edit them and other times I decide it's not worth it.

I have to say that some people on this board remind me of that annoying know-it-all at school/work that is always correcting other people's grammar to make themselves seem smarter. If a person is book smart but socially inept, there is still an issue. In this setting, why do we really care if someone spells 'there' when it was supposed to be 'their'? How many of those are simply typos caused by thinking of the right word but typing the wrong word? More importantly, why do we give a **** and why do some feel the need to correct others' mistakes.

Do those people think the now embarrassed typists are going to go back and correct all their grammar? Some members may not have the education some of us were blessed with and are doing the best they can in what is supposed to be a "fun" environment. Some may even have some type of learning disability and just cannot get any better. Personally, if my grammar was corrected every time I posted something, I would remind the correctors that they could kiss my ***. If this was a job posting site, I could understand all the stress; however, since this forum is supposed to be about motorcycles and the fun/problems/issues/mechanics of having one, we should probably chill the Hell out.

For those that are chronic correctors: If the need to constantly correct other people's mistakes is that bad, go correct your wife. Better yet, grow a set of balls and go correct your boss, your mom, or your dad. I think it's pretty chicken-**** to hide behind a computer and drive people away because of your insecurities. If someone's badly spelled, grammatically incorrect post bothers you that much or it is not understandable, move on. Nothing says any of us have to reply to any posts submitted here, and there are ways to ask for clarification without being elitist.

Finally; maybe I missed it because I started skimming though, but I saw lots of posts blaming our education system, but none blaming the parents of the child. I did not learn anything because my teacher wanted me to. I learned because my parents hounded my ***, read to me, made me read to them, taught me how to do math in my head, made me understand the value of an education, and spent the time with me to actually fit all that in. This whining about parents having two jobs and no time is ********. My parents both worked, and neither my siblings nor me suffered for lack of attention. On top of learning in school, I learned the importance of hard work. Teachers can teach all they want, and although some are very lacking in their dedication, most of today’s problems can be traced to bad parenting skills by parents who probably should not have kids.

Edit: After all that, I found about 5-6 errors/typos and stupid spelling mistakes 12 hours after I posted this. It's fixed now. For some reason, I spelled 'grammar' 'grammer' and I know better...WTF?

 
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My wife is an editor and felt a need to correct my grammer and word usage in e-mails I sent to her; she eventually gave up. Numbers make better sense to me than words :rolleyes:

 
I wasn't going to get in on this, but couldn't resist. Here's what I think-- I don't get bothered by the poor grammar and misspellings on folk's posts. It's pretty easy to understand what people are saying here regardless of their spelling and grammar usage.

BUT, the bottom line is that words (meaning), grammar, and spelling actually do mean something and are important to our clear understanding of what someone else is trying to tell us. I personally think it is important to spell words correctly and use proper grammar in speech as well as in writing. If it's important enough to write or speak, it's important enough to do so correctly (clearly articulate). For example, for those of you who don't give a crap and would like to convey that to me, "f... you" is a grammatically correct and clearly articulated thought - there's a verb and a subject and while the complete thought isn't written, I get it!

Anyway, that's what I think.

 
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Being a "good speller" doesn't mean knowing how to spell all the words in the English language. It means knowing what you can't spell and looking it up.

Anyway, after having stated the hard-nosed position, now I'll mollify it by adding these thoughts: The setting counts in the debate about spelling. Obviously misspellings on the Forum don't matter as much as a misspelling on a resume. The consequences are less grave. Perhaps there are none. When I'm banging away on the Forum and make a typo or misspell a word, I often fix it and I often don't. And then of course there's that human element where you can't catch all your typos.

For me, who loves language and writing, to write something fraught with misspellings would be like being a carpenter building a beautiful new kitchen but who, on closer examination, didn't get the angles straight, and who left gaps. When I read something full of grammatical and spelling errors, it's like riding down a too-bumpy road. I lose pleasure in the journey.

Here's another related question: Why would someone write in the Forum something like,

"i beleve your rite about that when i get home ill try it to"

instead of

"I believe you're right about that. When I get home I'll try it too"?

I don't know how to turn off my spelling, grammar, and punctuation knowledge, nor would want to. Where do people learn to do that? Learn to prefer it?

Jb

P.S. I never scold bad spelling or grammar on the Forum. And BTW, chuckos, it's grammar, not grammer. Jeesh!

 
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I corrected my spelling, thanks JB! And BTW, very nice use of the ? mark outside of the quotation marks as the ? mark refers to the entire sentence and is not a part of the punctuation of the sentence!

 
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I corrected my spelling, thanks JB! And BTW, very nice use of the ? mark outside of the quotation marks as the ? mark refers to the entire sentence and is not a part of the punctuation of the sentence!
Thanks, JL. This is a tough thread to be part of, because you have to spell everything right or prepare to take a stand! :D

While doing my morning weight lifting in the garage between posts here, it occured to me (now THERE's a word I always spell wrong--it's occurred; thank goodness for the red underscore)--anyway, I figured out why I'm anal about this stuff:

After graduating in philosophy I naturally went to work in a women's shoe store. From there I went to a job at Kaiser Engineers as a proofreader. That led to being a technical editor-writer. So I got paid to find typos and misspelled words, and then learned to use all kinds of style guides, including Chicago, GPO, and MLA, and to re-write sentences to be more concise and precise. Hell, I even took classes in grammar, editing, and writing. I know the difference between a hypen and an N- and M-dash.

When I was a proofreader it was a curse, because I could not read anything without proofing it at the same time. I guess it's still a curse, only now to Forum members! :rolleyes: :D :p

 
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I was a history major so naturally I went into the Marine Corps! Marine officer ranks are replete with History, Philosophy, PE, and Political Science majors - we call them pre-commissioning degrees. I am, and have always been, a voracious reader. I think I can express myself fairly well not because I can rattle off chapter and verse on grammar rules and word usage, but because I can usually tell when something just doesn't look or sound right.

 
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