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DonRed7

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A friend and person i work with just bought a gently used 535 Virago and just about has all of her paper work in order so that she(we) can get it home and start the "learning to safely ride a motorcycle" thing. Feeling to some degree responsible for her well being as she has been on the back of the FJR several times and has been smitten with the "why we ride" philosophy i need to give her as good of a head start as possible. Unfortunatly she will not have the benefit of a proper MSF course until one is avaliable in our area,....Sooo.... It's kinda' up to me. I have given her some instruction on the dirt bikes and she had an excellent hour or so, learning and most importantly listening very well. But now it's time to spend 8 to 12 hours in a parking lot coupled with the proper guidance and the after that road stuff.

So while it is in no way my intention to replace a certified course i do need any extra tips or good links that would add to a safe experience for her. I know the obvious that needs to be reinforced.....From the all important Gear mantra, Pre operation checks, handling concepts and most of the stuff in between,..... and towards the end with the importance of emergency braking.

Any good advice would be appreciated. And i will probably be sending her to look at this topic so she realizes how important taking the time to learn properly is.

Oh BTW,....she's a really cute little blonde and if i get some reasonable input she might even let me flip up a pic of her.

Thanks,..Cheers

-Don

 
Have her get and read David Hough's "Proficient Motorcycling" - after the MSF course, it was the first book I read and it is a great reference book for beginning riders.

Oh BTW,....she's a really cute little blonde and if i get some reasonable input she might even let me flip up a pic of her.
Don't need a pic, but thanks. :rolleyes:

 
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Have her get and read David Hough's "Proficient Motorcycling" - after the MSF course, it was the first book I read and it is a great reference book for beginning riders.

Oh BTW,....she's a really cute little blonde and if i get some reasonable input she might even let me flip up a pic of her.
Don't need a pic, but thanks. :rolleyes:
May I piggyback on Tyler's helpful suggestion and request the pic she doesn't need for the males on the board? :dribble:

 
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Excellent start Tyler i'll see if she can get it ordred tomorrow,..

However,

May I piggyback on Tyler's helpful suggestion and request the pic she doesn't need for the males on the board? :dribble:
:glare:

As i said meathead,..... i would like to show her the topic so as to reinforce the MSF stuff and then maybe if she she feels you'r all worthy by way of good input i might convince her into a photo,....but it's not going well after the second reply,....

-Don

 
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one suggestion I have is that you not over do it. YOu mentioned 8-12 hours in the parking lot and I know you probably didn't mean a full day. Learning, even if you are excited about learning, is stressful and tiring. Teaching can be, too.

 
Excellent start Tyler i'll see if she can get it ordred tomorrow,..

However,

May I piggyback on Tyler's helpful suggestion and request the pic she doesn't need for the males on the board? :dribble:
:glare:

As i said meathead,..... i would like to show her the topic so as to reinforce the MSF stuff and then maybe if she she feels you'r all worthy by way of good input i might convince her into a photo,....but it's not going well after the second reply,....

-Don
Hey...figure 8s in parking lots....lots of 'em. panic stop practice...

...and I second exskibum's request. We shouldn't be getting the glare smiley either...as you were the one that brought up how cute she is. :rolleyes:

 
The Glare smle was just the nearest one,..... and i typed "meathead" with a grin on...

Just,....Help me......Help......Her.

Please b serious now peps

Cheers

-Don

 
Unfortunatly she will not have the benefit of a proper MSF course until one is avaliable in our area,....
Hi Don

I don't know what your area is but PEI isn't that big! It appears the next course in Charlottetown is May 24th. There are courses in Stratford starting in July. And, if you're interested in an ERC for yourself, info is at that same link. They run in Moncton; I did it last August. Not Lee Parks but certainly worthwhile.

Have fun!

Mary Ellen

 
Lee Parks "Total Control" and MSF BRC. If she's willing to learn it will get her started the right way.
I would suggest MSF first then lots of practice before Lee Parks as the techniques taught would probably be fairly overwhelming for a new, under-experienced rider. I believe his courses require at least 3K miles riding experience (just took one last weekend and it was well worth the money spent! :) )

 
Have her get and read David Hough's "Proficient Motorcycling" - after the MSF course, it was the first book I read and it is a great reference book for beginning riders.
Two thumbs way up for Hough. But even before that, I would recommend the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Guide to Motorcycling Excellence: Skills, Knowledge, and Strategies for Riding Right . It's truly an introduction, and includes a chapter on riding strategies that you get in the MSF Basic Rider Course. A great book.

I agree Lee Parks would be too overwhelming for a beginner. It's for advanced, or experienced, riders.

 
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JEBUS!!! Touchy, touchy, Don!

IMO, the best two books out there are Nick Ienatsch's "Sport Riding Techniques" and Lee Parks' "Total Control", in that order. But I'm afraid that both are too advanced and would simply overload her with too much information at the stage you're asking about. I started riding at 13 and skiing at 2, so I just don't have many specific recollections about learning either, but I have seen lots of boyfriends and husbands ruin a woman's experience and fun (on skis), sometimes even demonstrating that he doesn't know what he's doing skiing OR teaching. Hopefully, you recognize that pitfall and religiously avoid it. I've been an expert skier for a long time, and while I've taught a couple ski instructor friends some advanced stuff, I don't know anything about teaching beginning skiers and wouldn't even be close to their equal in doing that. Just saying I'd rethink teaching her on the bike stuff before she takes the MSF course, especially in light of what MEM noted above about class availability.

Sorry I don't have any level appropriate reading or technical riding suggestions, but I have a few practical ones once she has the basic stuff of the MSF class under her belt. Suggest that she ask her MSF instructor at the end of the class about how to progress from there and what to practice after she passes the course. Beyond that, I would stress developing awareness of everything around her, and that skill can be practiced anywhere. Tell her it's absolutely OK and highly encouraged that if she is tired, hungry or (especially) dehydrated, that she stop and address those issues. This is an activity that gets dangerous if you let your body down, and don't let her feel that she EVER needs to keep up or ride outside her comfort zone.

If you haven't read the two books I suggested, do so. Reason? Because both do a great job of stressing (and Ienatsch recommends drills for) the number one survival and control skill -- training your eyes. You can help her with that when she drives her car -- a great place to practice. Then she can take it to the street on her bike when she can integrate that skill seamlessly. It's one thing to know about target fixation (MSF will tell her about that), and another to train yourself to reflexively LOOK AT the way out (not at the oncoming vehicle encroaching into your/her lane) or AT the roadway surface around the pothole (not at the pothole). You want to add something truly valuable? Then help her master that, because it's the number one skill for survival and she won't have time to learn it when something challenging occurs if she doesn't already own that skill reflexively.

As far as riding with her -- go slow if you're leading to show her the route or let her lead if she knows the route -- so that she isn't having to keep up with you and doesn't get locked into watching your bike instead of the road. Ride far enough away from her that she doesn't have to worry about reacting to your bike in her mirrors or stopping quickly in front of her. Teach her about staying right entering blind corners and generally about giving herself the most room to avoid possible hazards (moving or not). Teach her about the stuff Dr. Hurt told us statistically some 30 years ago about where stupid cager tricks are most likely to come from (primarily, the various left hand turns into us when they predictably don't see us) so that she can recognize a potential threat and take preliminary action to be in the best place and at the best speed to react with an evasive maneuver when a cager does that stupid trick.

Shepherd her away from traffic and technical stuff (i.e., twisties and roadways with gravel, sand, obstacles) so she gets used to controlling the motorcycle before those become further complications for her to have to address. I like the suggestion about parking lot practice of figure 8s, U-turns, etc. We can all use regular practice in slow speed stuff, and one skill she will learn there is feathering the throttle as she engages the clutch to take off from a standing start -- let her make that second nature before she has to use it at a crowded intersection.

If she's serious, she needs miles under her. Make it fun and set up regular rides that you plan out with her developing skill set in mind.

And aim her at full face helmets and truly protective gear. There's not much sexier than a fit woman in leathers on a sport bike (or a Virago) that she knows how to handle. It reeks of confidence, and there is nothing sexier than that. Good luck to her.

 
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Some great advice already posted here. The best I can suggest is to get on the waiting list for the next MSF class then do some careful practicing in the meantime.

Every practice session, no matter how short needs ATGATT. You're building a habit here so that every ride will incorporate the right gear.

Keep the practice sessions short and watch for signs of fatigue i.e. loss of concentration, deterioration in previously mastered skills. Riding a motorcycle well is actually DIFFICULT when you have to concentrate hard to do it.

Work on the most basic of basic techniques such as smooth clutch control, shifting and smooth braking, done with the head and eyes up.

MSF courses begin with a familiarization with the controls then a whole drill working on the clutch. With the newbie seated on the bike, have the student let out the clutch until the bike rolls forward about a foot or so. Pull in the clutch then ease the bike back to the starting point with the feet. Repeat until clutch control is attained.

Part two progresses to forward motion, riding across the range, starting and stopping, using the feet as outriggers when needed. (For an experienced rider, this is hard to do, since we're conditioned to get those feet up right away).

Part three gets the feet up, riding all the way with no stops.

All MSF skills start with the simpler and work towards the more complex. Eg, work on basic braking before tackling emergency braking. Work on big sweeping turns before tight turns.

Enjoy the adventure!

 
..................... do some careful practicing in the meantime.
Keep the practice sessions short and watch for signs of fatigue i.e. loss of concentration, deterioration in previously mastered skills. Riding a motorcycle well is actually DIFFICULT when you have to concentrate hard to do it.

Work on the most basic of basic techniques such as smooth clutch control, shifting and smooth braking, done with the head and eyes up.

MSF courses begin with a familiarization with the controls then a whole drill working on the clutch.

All MSF skills start with the simpler and work towards the more complex, e.g., work on basic braking before tackling emergency braking. Work on big sweeping turns before tight turns.

Enjoy the adventure!
There's some really great advice in Jill's and other posts.

Remember, you are creating NEW habits and those are built by muscle memory and that is from repetition. Doing the same exercises over and over will be boring but they're absolutely necessary and most of us here will attest to that.

As Jill said, keep it fun! Do some drills, take a break for lunch and return for other drills.

When you head for the street do as exskibum mentioned and stay away for heavy traffic and technical roads. As her comfort level and confidence/ability increase you can extend the ride length and different types of roads.

Developing the "6th sense" about situations you can't predict is part of the "art" of motorcycling that every successful and safe rider has developed. Yes, that means constant practice of the riding basics and time in the saddle.

Kudos to you for being part of developing a new rider and helping her to develop a solid base from which to grow in her riding experience.

[SIZE=8pt]Regarding pictures: [/SIZE]

1.) YOU brought it up....and....

2.) If she's wearing a full face helmet and a proper riding jacket, "cute" is going to be extremely subjective, don't you think?!?!?

 
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The best and most useful tip I learned on how to control a bike during MSF is to use the clutch, NOT your throttle/brakes to control it. They stressed over and over again that if you feel you are going to fast, or you jerk forward or ANYTHING feels out of your control, turn the bike straight and squeeze the clutch. Then it doesn't MATTER what the throttle or brake are doing because you will slow down or stop, and you'll be upright. VERY important.

And make sure she doesn't follow the movies (as I did that wonderful first day) and feel she has to rotate her hand forward to get a good twist of that throttle. A natural hand position is more than enough to do what you need to do. Especially as a beginner.

Alexi

 
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