Traffic light cams

[Zoltan]

I received a summons today to pay a $100 fine for turning right on a red light without coming to a complete stop.

They had my plate number, and 2 pictures of me turning right on a red light. The only problem is............the guy was black, and the bike was a Harley or some other cruiser.

Now I have to mail them a picture of my bike, along with a copy of the summons, and an explanation of why I feel that this is not me.

Don't you just love the government!!!!!!!!!

I called the local news station and they seem interested in this story. Motorcycle plates are so small, and this happened after dark, so they had to enhance the **** out of the plate. Hopefully this will cast some doubt on the validity of these traffic light cams.

Zoltan

PS the new Hayabusa is awesome. :yahoo: :yahoo:

 

[airboss]

Wasn't Chicago was it they're famous for writing tickets to people who weren't there.

 

[Fred W]

I received a summons today to pay a $100 fine for turning right on a red light without coming to a complete stop. They had my plate number, and 2 pictures of me turning right on a red light. The only problem is............the guy was black, and the bike was a Harley or some other cruiser.Now I have to mail them a picture of my bike, along with a copy of the summons, and an explanation of why I feel that this is not me.Don't you just love the government!!!!!!!!!I called the local news station and they seem interested in this story. Motorcycle plates are so small, and this happened after dark, so they had to enhance the **** out of the plate. Hopefully this will cast some doubt on the validity of these traffic light cams.ZoltanPS the new Hayabusa is awesome. :yahoo: :yahoo:

The whole idea of Traffic light Cams is bogus IMO.First off, the fact the rider was a brotha' won't help you in the least. Their response will be: "We send the tickets to the vehicle owners. They will have to find the correct operator to pay the fine." They don't care it wasn't you!! But my question to them would be why they sent you the summons when the bike obviously did not match the registration description? You know, that's why they ask those silly questions like, color, number of cylinders, Make and model. Do they not recognize the difference between a Hardley and a Yamaha? My last question is: How the hell does a traffic cam know if you came to a complete stop to take a right or not? Sheesh.

Wasn't Chicago was it they're famous for writing tickets to people who weren't there.

I ticket dead people...

 

[Zoltan]

Here it is.......Honest judge I'm a victim of circumstance!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[twowheelnut]

Document all of your time and expenses to prove that wasn't you, then send them a bill for reimbursement. In most cases, those cameras are operated by a contract company and they are responsible for the accuracy. I'd make them pay.

 

[slapnpop]

I'd make them pay.

You're still holding a grudge because they busted your ***!

 

[Auburn]

Well at least in Washington you only have to sign an affidavit and swear you were not operating the vehicle and it is automatically dismissed.

I'm with, you traffic cams are ********. :glare:

 

[mdisher]

Clearly you have been racially profiled

 

[ponyfool]

First off, the fact the rider was a brotha' won't help you in the least. Their response will be: "We send the tickets to the vehicle owners. They will have to find the correct operator to pay the fine." They don't care it wasn't you!!

Not necessarily. This may be true in the jurisdictions where a red light ticket is the same as a parking ticket. But in ANY jurisdiction where a red light ticket is treated like a regular ticket (as in a moving violation) it is REQUIRED that they prove by whatever burden is required in that state that the driver is in fact the person cited.

But my question to them would be why they sent you the summons when the bike obviously did not match the registration description? You know, that's why they ask those silly questions like, color, number of cylinders, Make and model. Do they not recognize the difference between a Hardley and a Yamaha?

Because the person going through the tickets is going through probably dozens of them and simply sees a motorcycle. Also, not everyone can identify one motorcycle from another. The real question should be, why didn't the officer going over the ticket verify the plate?

My last question is: How the hell does a traffic cam know if you came to a complete stop to take a right or not? Sheesh.

Depending on the type system, it uses either sensors in the pavement or radar. Most are using pavement sensors. The sensors dictate speed and, using the built in software, predict if the person is in fact going to run the red light and takes the pictures. Otherwise, the camera would flash every time the light turns red regardless if anyone is running it or not. In fact, you can come to a stop at a red light camera intersection, then proceed through after it turns red, and it won't take your picture*.

*- If you choose to do this and still get tagged, your a ******* and I am not responsible for your ticket. Your results may vary. Besides, even if you get away with it this time, it'll probably be the time a cop is in the car behind you and you'd get tagged anyway.

 

[Silver Penguin]

The camera probably showed your feet neatly and tidily on the pegs, and not flailing in the breeze in anticipation of the stop, therefore you didn't stop your Harley-cycle. Whaddya mean there are other makes of Harley?

DD got a mailed ticket for a toll road violation in Newport Beach, CA which is a very exclusive, high class place to be. She wrote to them, with photographs of her 1972 Cadillac hearse, with the flat tires, no muffler and cracked windshield. Technically, it did run, and once a week it was moved for street sweeping but it certainly would not make it all the way from Long Beach to Newport Beach. Besides, even if it had made it that far, the POS would have been stopped at the Newport Beach border and turned away, for lowering the tone of the neighborhood. The violation was canceled.

Jill

 

[Indian Scout]

I received a summons today to pay a $100 fine for turning right on a red light without coming to a complete stop. They had my plate number, and 2 pictures of me turning right on a red light. The only problem is............the guy was black, and the bike was a Harley or some other cruiser.

Now I have to mail them a picture of my bike, along with a copy of the summons, and an explanation of why I feel that this is not me.

Don't you just love the government!!!!!!!!!

I called the local news station and they seem interested in this story. Motorcycle plates are so small, and this happened after dark, so they had to enhance the **** out of the plate. Hopefully this will cast some doubt on the validity of these traffic light cams.

Zoltan

PS the new Hayabusa is awesome. :yahoo: :yahoo:

:assassin: That's why my plate is mounted under my seat! :assassin:

 

[dcarver]

"Depending on the type system, it uses either sensors in the pavement or radar. Most are using pavement sensors. The sensors dictate speed and, using the built in software, predict if the person is in fact going to run the red light and takes the pictures. Otherwise, the camera would flash every time the light turns red regardless if anyone is running it or not. In fact, you can come to a stop at a red light camera intersection, then proceed through after it turns red, and it won't take your picture*. "

Are these the same sensors that can't detect my FJR and make me run red lights on a left after I sit for 2 complete all way cycles?

 

[ponyfool]

Are these the same sensors that can't detect my FJR and make me run red lights on a left after I sit for 2 complete all way cycles?

Yes, they are. But in this case, if it didn't detect the motorcycle, it wouldn't have taken the picture.

 

[ponyfool]

Looking at the ticket, that particular state treats that type of ticket like a parking ticket. I say this because at the bottom of the ticket it says, "This violation is a non moving infraction and no points will be assessed"

So my next question is, what license plate is on the bike running the red light? The ticket reads that it is 5L 794 and the picture seems to match that. I'd call the police office and ask to view the full size image. If the plate is 5L 794 the next question I'd ask is, how does that bike have your plate on it?

 

[Zoltan]

Here is what sent to the camera people.

"You guys sent an obviously doctored photo of a license plate with my plate number to the Florissant police. Look at the number 4.

The image is of a black man, I am white. The motorcycle is a Harley or some other type of cruiser; I had a Yamaha FJR1300 at the time. I live in ST Charles MO, and am well on my way to bed at the time. And no, somebody did not steal my plate.

What is your policy on reviewing the images? Are you allowed to send digitally enhanced photos to your customers?

You have disrupted my day, maybe my week. I now have to supply documentation as to my motorcycle type and why I feel that this was not my motorcycle.

What do you plan to do to rectify the situation? I was assessed a $100.00 fine. "

Very Sincerely,

Fred Zimmer

 

[twowheelnut]

I'd make them pay.

You're still holding a grudge because they busted your ***!

Yer damn skippy!

 

[KSFJR]

In looking at the picture, I would bet that that bike is an 08 KLR650. I bought one just a month ago in red also and that sure looks like it from the picture. No way on earth anyone could confuse a KLR for an FJR. But it wasn't me. I was on vacation that night, whenever it was, and was somewhere else.

Chester

 

[Checkswrecks]

I had a parking ticket last year, in which I was actually guilty, but the meter-reader wrote down the number for the meter next to the one I was parked at. I whipped out the old phone-camera, put the ticket next to the meter with the bike in the background, and sent in that photo with a note like the one you wrote. With what you sent them, you'll probably get a notice that it's been dismissed. Do what you want, that's all they'll give you.

Bob