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Clark Kent

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Ok.. I just got done with about 45 mins on a Vison Tour w/ comfort package. We rode under a variety of condtions from 2 lane residential to interstate. Here are my impressions.

In true magazine style heres a little about me. I've been a sportbike rider (one might say hardcore) for 16 years. I've been working at dealers on and off since before highschool. I do a lot of track days, but equally can be found on a touring bike doing my annual Blue Ridge Parkway run. I am 6'0" at 215lbs (and I need to lose about 20 but anyway). In the last 10 years I've done almost 350k miles on various bikes.

So you climb on the thing. I deliberately rode a 06 GL1800 for a little bit before I took this demo so I could compare. The seat is lower.. by quite a bite. There was a lady on the Street model next to me who went about 5'5" and she looked very comfortable getting it off the stand. The seat is very cushy. There is a long smooth panel heading directly away from you, past the steering stem and WAY out to the gauges. Gauges are nice, very visible. Lots of good data, air temp gauge reads 89 as I climb on. There just seems to be lots of bike out in front of you. The "tank" of the bike widens as it runs away from your crotch out the edges of a very wide fairing. The built in driver backrest gives very nice support. I put my cell phone etc in the nice size pocked on the left just in from of the steering stem and grab the key.

So I turn the bike over. Yup, its a Victory. Noisy starting gear, and the sewing machine idle sound. My bike was loaded - XM radio and Tour Tech GPS. I fiddled with both gadgets all through the ride. The stereo is awesome. Makes the one on the GL1800 sound like an old AM unit. The automatic volume control is near perfect, though at big speed it seems to turn the volume up louder than is necessary. I wear size XL gloves and it was still a bit hard for me to reach the left hand bar mounted audio controls with my thumb while still holding the bar... no biggie. Cruise controls on the right bar are the same way BTW. The GPS has a nice screen and is easy to see. The voice unit through the speakers is nice. That said it was hard to control and not my favorite unit. I have a Garmin Quest 2, and would have preferred a similar setup.

Off we go. I'm near the very back of the group and the image of 40ish Visions stretched out in front of me was cool. The bike shifts like Victorys have always shifted. Positively, but a bit noisy. Especially N to 1st. Using the Goldwing comparision again, this thing has a lower center of gravity. A pretty hard slomem back and forth doesnt upset the bike a bit. It feels very agile. I hit a couple speed bumps on the way out, but the suspension soaked it up nicely. As we ran up the speed a bit, I raised and lowered the electric windscreen (this switch is in perfect position BTW! Easy to use) At highway speed even full up I found myself wishing for the optional tall windscreen, but only a little bit. Wind protection (and in my mind weather protection) is world-beating. I also want to say again how nice the seat is... this is the best stock motorcycle seat I've ridden on.. and I've ridden them all. My only comfort squak is a bit of heat on my calves. Hey its a full faired air cooled machine.. its to be expected. Bars are in a good postion for me, wide enough to give great leverage.

The 106 motor is STRONG! This bike has all the motivation it needs! I earned myself a mild scolding when wew got back for doing to things Victory probably wouldnt like. On I-24 I held way back for a little bit, then gassed it... really let it eat. She ran through 100mph with great ease. I also duplicated the feat one of the english motorcycle press wrote about. On a straigh piece of interstate I set the cruise and jumped up on the back seat. Cruise held nice, the bike just motors along. The rear seat is awful nice. I almost didnt want to get back up front. I repeated the exercise with sheild all the way down, and the wind was still very managable for the passenger. The women in our lives are really going to dig it back there.

All good things must come to an end. Overall I thought the bike was outstanding. The exhaust note is crying out for a least a set of slip ons, as all Victorys do. I've decided the suspension might be just a shade over dampened, but with a passenger and luggage I may change my mind in that. It could benefit from an anti dive system, as it tended to nose over a bit under hard braking. This bike is like no other out there. I cant wait to get some out to customers and see what they think.. but Victory set out to make a very serious contender in the touring world, and they have definately done it!

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Good post, but not by Clark Kent. It was somehow posted under my name, but incorrectly. I didn't write it.

Batman, are you up to your old tricks?

 
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A very nice, positive evaluation. I just can't handle the looks. I think H.D. dudes should seriously consider Victory... I would, if I was into a cruiser.

 
Not my cup o' tea. But it's kinda cool in that it's so damn unique. I mean that is some balls out, off the wall, f*ck 'em all design work right there.

 
I don't think the adverts and photos don't do it justice... I think it looks better in real life for what ever reason.. When I saw it at the show last year, it really peaked my interest.

Some day I'll have a big *** mile eater and I'm glad there are more choices...

I would have to ride it but I'd certainly consider it for its purpose.

 
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I rode one with every factory option for several hours today. My FJR's left headlamp was awol, so I took it to Sloan's in Murfreesboro and they fixed it as a warranty repair. Nice of them, and not really an item that one might consider warranty after 6 weeks and 2400 miles of ownership. While my bike was being repaired, my salesman offered me the Victory Vision demonstrator so I wouldn't have to sit around. I rode it up to the Famous Dave's in Smyrna for lunch, and then back to, and through, Murfreesboro, and finally in a loop, back up I-24, and down 840 back to Sloan's. All in all, I was out and in motion for about two hours, not counting the lunch stop.

I've never really gotten the American V-Twin mystique, and this bike didn't get me any closer to it. I thought it was grossly underpowered in spite of its 1750+ cc engine, it pitched on front braking like a saloon mechanical bull, it touched down left and right in the most modest corners, and it heated me like a blast furnace. The bike is geared so it should be able to hit 140 if it would pull the red line in 6th. If you run through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to the redline, you're barrelling along at a blistering 70 mph. Just think of it.... redline 1st, redline 2nd, redline 3rd, and grab a big handful of 4th just to merge into the traffic from the on-ramp on the interstate. Drop a gear to use engine braking, and listen to the creaks, groans, and whines. Roll on in 5th from 60 mph, light a cigarette, change the station on the radio, check your mail, and before you know it, you're toolin' along at 80 mph. Yeah, it will make 100 mph, and it feels stable there, but it ain't an easy 100, and it sure as hell isn't an accidental 100.

At the same time, every time I stopped, it drew a crowd. I had middle aged women come over and chat me up over the beautiful bike. I had H-D guys drooling. I had Memphis motorcycle club members thinking about trading in their Busas.

One thing I learned today is that the H-D guys who are begging for a ride on my K bike and my FJR are going to have a long wait. If your standard of handling, power, and braking is competitive with the Victory Vision, you're not going to learn how to handle a real bike with my iron.

The other thing I learned was that when I got back on the FJR in mid afternoon, it felt like it was an air conditioned Ferrari. What a great bike!

 
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I have three thing to say about this bike

FARGING ugly in pictures

FARGING ugly on the show room floor

FARGING ugly on the street.

 
I was looking at the Vision during my research phase. Showed a picture to a friend of mine. Her response:

"Ooooh pretty. But what does it Transform into?"

 
This bike is like no other out there. I cant wait to get some out to customers and see what they think.. but Victory set out to make a very serious contender in the touring world, and they have definately done it!
Spam.

 
There just seems to be lots of bike out in front of you.
Didja notice how far back the bars come from the steering head? That's not a handlebar, it's a tiller!

Never rode one, but I agree, it looks better in person than in the pics. Still, I have to wonder, whatever for?

 
I thought the things were kinda cool, when I saw them in the mags and online, before their release. My son and I went through a town that was having a rally, and there was a Victory demo going on. When I saw a real one, it was the ugliest thing I've ever seen on two wheels. Brought to mind images of circus bears riding bicycles. Bystanders seemed to feel the same way. The demo people were having trouble, finding anyone who wanted to ride it; a brand-spanking-new, just released bike! They actually left it behind while they took some people out on their Hammers, ect..

I didn't ride it. A Harley guy who did, said it was lame. When a Harley guy says that about a bike like that, I'll take his word for it.

Two bits says sales topped upon release, and it'll end up following the Dodo.

I've got another two bits, that says 'Clark' has never been on an FJR. Be kinda hard to post sales promos about a Victory Vision to an FJR board, if he had.

 
Here are a couple of links if anyone actually wants to see one of these.

The first link is a "walk around" to show off the features. The bike in this video is the twin of the one I had on loan.

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They also commented about how they did not think it would be any good because it was so friggin' ugly, so they were surprised when they actually liked it. I don't think this was Victory spam, but honest feelings from guys who appear to have different taste in bikes than me.

I took a look at some reviews of the bike, and this whole cruiser thing is beyond me. The bike weighs just shy of 900 pounds. It does have every creature comfort you could imagine, and it was comfortable for the legs and the rear end.... I'll give it that. One review said it was cooler (temperaturewise) compared to the H-D. Wow. The H-D must broil your legs.

 
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I just watched the walk around vid and would bet that there exist a fair number of FJR owners who wished Yamaha had installed those "oops" bars on their bikes. :rolleyes:

 
I just watched the walk around vid and would bet that there exist a fair number of FJR owners who wished Yamaha had installed those "oops" bars on their bikes. :rolleyes:
The salesman I bought my FJR from sells Victory, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, etc. etc. etc., and he rides an ST1300 these days. I asked him why he chose it over the FJR, and all he could come up with was the wings on the ST that keep the bike off the bags when it drops at low speed. I wonder why Yamaha let this slide?

Of course some of us never drop our bikes. :rolleyes:

 
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Like I said above, I've never been into the cruiser scene, and I've never really gotten the American V-Twin mystique... but as I read the reviews and look at the videos for this bike, I notice that just about every cruiser reviewer and comparo says this bike is more powerful, has better brakes, is less hot, is roomier, and is more stable at high speed (over 80 mph) than a Harley. Scary to think about how hot, slow, cramped, and unstable at high speed the Harleys must be. There may be Harley folks who think they're lame, but then those folks think the VTX1800 and M109 are lame too....because they're not Harleys. What Harley riders think is lame is pretty much irrelevant to non-Harley riders as far as I can tell.

Victory does appear to be having trouble moving them, probably in part due to the nearly $22,000 msrp, and probably due to the poor general economy and the uncertainty about reliability for a new touring bike from a small manufacturer.

So the folks who speculate that they won't make many of them could be right, and yet this is a very futuristic, very thoroughly appointed, American touring machine. I'm wondering if you could pick one up for $15K and store it, if you're grandchildren might not be thinking "Crocker" in 50 years. Of course any time you buy motorcycles as investment vehicles, you're shooting craps. Its different than the various Indian incarnations because Victory is a marque that hasn't traded hands as far as I know. An Indian resurrection really can't live off the old Indian name because there's no real connection between the bikes. Victory on the other hand is the real Victory... such as it is.

 
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