lnewlf
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"Great Stuff" non expanding insulating foam..in moderation.
Well, I think this is a new one...
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Thanks for the replies. Whether this is the first or not isn't really important. As Skootie already said, everyone around here already knows I'm sped-cial.
What is important is that it can happen, and with no outward warning indication before-hand. Now Walt's bag has clearly seen some extra weight on it, and mine has taken a horizontal nap twice on that bag, so maybe the only bags that are going to separate this way are those that have used the side bag as a side stand?
Funny thing about the way the inner bag is shaped is it looks like they were going to make the outer bag mechanically latch at the top, but there are no corresponding catches on the inner surface of the painted covers.
As the more astute readers have already surmised, I'm weighing my options on how to reattach the lid securely, but I'm also thinking that it sure would be nice to have it be remove-able later, in case I want to do any paint work on them. And before anyone asks, yes, I've already tried prying on the outer lid on the other side bag and it doesn't seem to suffer this malady (yet).
What is important is that it can happen, and with no outward warning indication before-hand. Now Walt's bag has clearly seen some extra weight on it, and mine has taken a horizontal nap twice on that bag, so maybe the only bags that are going to separate this way are those that have used the side bag as a side stand?
Funny thing about the way the inner bag is shaped is it looks like they were going to make the outer bag mechanically latch at the top, but there are no corresponding catches on the inner surface of the painted covers.
As the more astute readers have already surmised, I'm weighing my options on how to reattach the lid securely, but I'm also thinking that it sure would be nice to have it be remove-able later, in case I want to do any paint work on them. And before anyone asks, yes, I've already tried prying on the outer lid on the other side bag and it doesn't seem to suffer this malady (yet).
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PanAmerican
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On 8-10 year old bikes? Pffft. And Honda should replace my carbs on 1975 CB400F because the gaskets dried out.....the warranty (even Y.E.S.) is long expired. :huh:
It's good to know that the adhesive may not last forever and we FJR owners should keep an eye on them as our bikes age though.....
Having large parts and bits fall off a bike, because of a manufacturing defect, which may cause injury to you, your passengers or other drivers behind you goes beyond a simple "warranty" issue. It's a safety issue. Yamaha, no doubt, has seen this problem before (since two people here have had the exact same issue) and would be more than willing to fix it for free.
Or I could just glue it back on there myself.
Walt's didn't pop open on its own, like mine did. Had I been more observant, like he was, I may have caught it before it rashed the top corner.
One of the main reasons for me posting was to get some ideas for what adhesive to use to re-bond it. So thanks to those who have already made some suggestions.
But the other reason was to make people aware that it can happen. So, if you do observe a larger than normal looking gap there, don't just blow it off.
PS - as for it being a "defect", I probably screwed that pooch when I dropped the bike (twice) on that side bag.
Walt's didn't pop open on its own, like mine did. Had I been more observant, like he was, I may have caught it before it rashed the top corner.
One of the main reasons for me posting was to get some ideas for what adhesive to use to re-bond it. So thanks to those who have already made some suggestions.
But the other reason was to make people aware that it can happen. So, if you do observe a larger than normal looking gap there, don't just blow it off.
PS - as for it being a "defect", I probably screwed that pooch when I dropped the bike (twice) on that side bag.
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RossKean
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Adhesive for rubber weatherstripping on a car remains flexible but sticks very well. Might not be a great option for future removal. Silicone sealant would work similarly. I would not suggest any sort of adhesive that sets up hard (like epoxy). Any flexing and you might have a repeat performance. Be careful using anything with a solvent in it - check compatability with the ABS plastic (this includes the trim adhesive). A melted hole in the outer shell would be more unsightly than the road rash.
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Thanks, Ross.
Another interesting thing is that the adhesive they originally used is rather hard, and the globs are pretty thick. Doesn't seem like it's going top peel off too easily. Yet, as you can see in my pictures, the top and bottom strip broke free from the inner surface of the outer lid (and took some B3 over-spray paint with it) and the center stripes of adhesive broke free of the inner ABS liner.
I'll try a little light heat (not enough to blister paint or melt plastic) and see if that will soften it at all. Otherwise I may have to apply my adhesive just where they originally didn't. I do like the idea of the 3M foam adhesive trim tape. I've used that stuff to hold a Fendah Extenda on before. That stuff is tenacious.
Another interesting thing is that the adhesive they originally used is rather hard, and the globs are pretty thick. Doesn't seem like it's going top peel off too easily. Yet, as you can see in my pictures, the top and bottom strip broke free from the inner surface of the outer lid (and took some B3 over-spray paint with it) and the center stripes of adhesive broke free of the inner ABS liner.
I'll try a little light heat (not enough to blister paint or melt plastic) and see if that will soften it at all. Otherwise I may have to apply my adhesive just where they originally didn't. I do like the idea of the 3M foam adhesive trim tape. I've used that stuff to hold a Fendah Extenda on before. That stuff is tenacious.
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ionbeam
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Wow, sorry to read this. At least you didn't entirely loose the lid, now that would have been major $uckage. There have been a few covers that have detached and were discussed. Then there are others that have tried everything to get the cover off and had no luck. Guess you got a Friday/Monday bag.
Now, let's talk about all those dirt roads you ride on and shake the s#it out of your bikeh34r: :lol:
Nothing a little adhesive can't fix. Time to pick up some Double Bubble.
Now, let's talk about all those dirt roads you ride on and shake the s#it out of your bike
h34r: :lol: Nothing a little adhesive can't fix. Time to pick up some Double Bubble.
:lol:Now, let's talk about all those dirt roads you ride on and shake the s#it out of your bike
Yeah, that...
Maybe now with both the Man-strom and the WR in the garage I'll be able to keep the Feejer on the tarmac a bit more.
And, hey! I didn't lead you guys onto any dirt at all on the White Horse run last weekend!! It's like a whole new me.
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Patriot
Isabella is Lazarus
gee, my first advesive thoughts were Goop or Liquid Nails
I thought epoxy, but the suggestion it was too hard and some flex would be good
then thought of some kind of foam double sided mounting tape
what about mastic ???
it would be nice to be in the sweet spot that holds tight, but the outer shell can be peeled off for repairs
I remember on Jeff_Q's '08, something hit the front of a bag and actually put a hole in the outer shell...
I thought epoxy, but the suggestion it was too hard and some flex would be good
then thought of some kind of foam double sided mounting tape
what about mastic ???
it would be nice to be in the sweet spot that holds tight, but the outer shell can be peeled off for repairs
I remember on Jeff_Q's '08, something hit the front of a bag and actually put a hole in the outer shell...
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RaYzerman19
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Just looking at the pictures, it seems the inner shell is rather glossy and smooth. Most adhesives won't stick to shiny plastic, so I would recommend roughing it up with some sandpaper, then cleaning with alcohol before applying adhesive (or adhesive tape). 3M Adhesion promoter would be advantageous, you can buy it in little stick pens (sometimes they give out samples). While the 3M molding tape is good, it is a foam that may separate in the heat. I would think something gap-filling and non-hardening would be better (no expoxy).... why not some grey or red high-temp RTV... it sticks to most anything.
cota95
RI Beach Pop
What the hell were you doing on I-95...!!!!!I was out for a nice little Memorial Day ride, "bagged" a few ADV photo tags, and was on my way home on I-95 when a car pulls up alongside me and is wildly gesturing at my left rear side. WTF?
Makin' tracks towards home!!What the hell were you doing on I-95...!!!!!I was out for a nice little Memorial Day ride, "bagged" a few ADV photo tags, and was on my way home on I-95 when a car pulls up alongside me and is wildly gesturing at my left rear side. WTF?
I had just stopped in Newbury, MA for the NNE Tag-O-Rama photo. It was at the Colby Farmstand.
mferriter
Occasionally trying to get work done
I'd recommend some sort of mechanical fastener. It appears as though the interior of the outer "cover" is painted, making glue pretty much a big no-no, alhtough one of the pictures showed the glue stuck to the cover and the liner was completely clean.
I wonder if the heat from the pipes (especially those with shortened ones) can loosen the adhesive?
For mechanical fasteners, I'd use "pop"-rivets (two along the top edge, and two along the bottom edge. They're more or less permanent, but can be drilled out if you need to remove them later. You can also get waterproof ones, so leakage wouldn't be an issue. Just make sure to avoid the moving parts of the crappy over-engineered latching mechanism.
Plastic rivets are also available, but they're not as strong, or cool-looking. You can get stainless or aluminum, so they wont rust.
I wonder if the heat from the pipes (especially those with shortened ones) can loosen the adhesive?
For mechanical fasteners, I'd use "pop"-rivets (two along the top edge, and two along the bottom edge. They're more or less permanent, but can be drilled out if you need to remove them later. You can also get waterproof ones, so leakage wouldn't be an issue. Just make sure to avoid the moving parts of the crappy over-engineered latching mechanism.
Plastic rivets are also available, but they're not as strong, or cool-looking. You can get stainless or aluminum, so they wont rust.
Asphalt Junkie
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Fred, thanks for the heads up on the possibility of this happening. The RTV is a good option, but no need to spend the extra money on the high temp. The regular stuff is good to 450 degrees. If you want more info - https://www.polyseamseal.com/100silicone.shtml
As for skipping the dirt riding last weekend, Gina says thanks!
As for skipping the dirt riding last weekend, Gina says thanks!
Bustanut joker
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You won't make me believe I 95 up there is anywhere near as bad as it is south of, say Pittsburgh..What the hell were you doing on I-95...!!!!!I was out for a nice little Memorial Day ride, "bagged" a few ADV photo tags, and was on my way home on I-95 when a car pulls up alongside me and is wildly gesturing at my left rear side. WTF?
BTW I busted me ass trying to separate those cuss'ed cases before me recent paint job.
IIRC FJRguy an Canaknuclehead biker fought a loosing battle with 'em too.
Weird
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RossKean
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It would be interesting to see if the "stock" adhesive is of the thermo-setting variety or solvent/chemical cure type. If it is particularly heat softenable, it might provide a means of separation of the shells for future reference for owners who want to paint or restore.
Ross
Ross
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huron52
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I didn't read this point anywhere in the thread so I'll mention it.
It is a good thing Yamaha was thinking and put rivets on the outshell to keep it from totally falling off. :lol:
I know of a person that scratched their side bag, they drilled out the rivets and bought new outter shells and riveted the new ones on. I guess they felt it was cheaper than having them repaint and the new paint not matching.....
It is a good thing Yamaha was thinking and put rivets on the outshell to keep it from totally falling off. :lol:
I know of a person that scratched their side bag, they drilled out the rivets and bought new outter shells and riveted the new ones on. I guess they felt it was cheaper than having them repaint and the new paint not matching.....
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