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First off, I would agree that it is more important for the front wheel to be in balance than the rear.

Next, it should be noted that an imbalance will show up only at certain speeds, not necessarily get worse at higher speeds. It is a resonance of the rotating speed of the wheel, tire pressure, and the suspension on that end of the bike. The vibration may be felt at 60 mph and then null itself out at higher speeds.

The fact that Michelin refuses to mark their tires for imbalance is a pain in the ass, IMO. They infer that their tires are so perfect they require no additional balancing. That is horse cock. Some of the worst imbalanced tires that I've ever mounted were rear Michelin PR2's and 3's.

By having already balanced the bare wheel once, and knowing by how much it is out (then removing the weights), even when mounting a MIchelin you can tell how much is the wheel and how much is the tire. For instance, last year I mounted a rear PR3 for a friend. We already knew that his "bare" wheel was heavy at the valve stem by 35 grams due to a TPMS sensor mounted there. After mounting the new tire the valve was still heavy and by a lot more than the 35 grams. It was going to take more wheel weights than I had on hand so we re-broke the bead, lubed up the tire well and spun it 180 on the wheel and reseated the beads. Now the opposite side from the stem was heavy by about 20 grams. That tells me that that "perfect" Michelin tire is actually out of balance by about 55 grams. That's a lot IMO.

Manufacturers that do mark the tires are doing us a big favor because then we can mount the tire in the right orientation the first time and use fewer if any weights. And good luck to those who do not believe in balancing. For the extra 5 minutes it takes me, I'll continue to do it.

YMMV

 
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I should mention I'm not a believer in Dyna Beads..... How much do they weigh? Prolly not enough to fix a 20-50 gram imbalance, just my take. They might seem to work on a slight imbalance, but M/C tires don't have that much mass, especially fronts, so you may not notice anyway.

 
I just never figured out how they make Dynabeads smart enough to go to the light side of the tire! (In fact, they will migrate to the part of the tire that is furthest from center which would be the worst case for dynamic balance during operation.) Don't want to re-awaken the sleeping Dynabead controversy since it is something of a religion to the converted - I have never been a fan.

 
I just never figured out how they make Dynabeads smart enough to go to the light side of the tire! (In fact, they will migrate to the part of the tire that is furthest from center which would be the worst case for dynamic balance during operation.) Don't want to re-awaken the sleeping Dynabead controversy since it is something of a religion to the converted - I have never been a fan.
Worthy of a new thread, IMO. Like this one

 
Well stated on the tire balancing statement Fred!

BTW, I'm planning to install the DORAN 360M TPMS on my Feejer and will be using the OEM tires for now. I'll be replacing the rubber valve stems with the supplied metal 90 degree stems and weighing those along with the TPMS sensors come in at around 31 grams for each wheel. I'm pretty certain I'll be adding weights for that addition. It'll be interesting to see how much the setup will take after removing the factory clip-on weights.

I plan to post here the steps involved and how-to's. I just completed the same with my '13 CB1100 and will post those steps here and on the CB1100 forum. BTW, I had to add 21 grams to the front wheel on the CB and about the same to the rear wheel along with the existing factory stick-on's.

I do not believe in using beads of any sort. I'd like to stay with clip-on weights but now coming around to using stick-on's when properly applied.

 
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I suppose that with a TPMS (BTW it was a Doran on my friend's bike as well) it might make sense to start out with a single weight clipped on opposite the sensor and just leave it there all the time, then just balance each new tire you put on. Especially if mounting un-balance-marked tires.

As for stick-on weights, try peeling off the cheap crap foam adhesive they come with and use this:

3M Acrylic Foam Tape

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The 1/2" wide stuff is perfect for wheel weights. Clean the wheel surface with solvent (I use Goof Off) and they will never fly off, but easily removed when you want to with little to no mess. Available at most big auto parts places (Auto Zone, Pep Boys, etc.)

 
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Oh yes, I got rid of the cheap tape on the stick-ons and used 3M. I knew those cheap double stick tape pieces wouldn't do squat.

 
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