You're bleeding & the nearest hospital isn't near at all

[airboss]

Guess I'll stick with my box of Bandaids............That;s pretty consistent with my ability.

 

[frito1]

About the sudden collapse cardiac arrest you mentioned? Immediate CPR can be effective, but having a PAD (public access defibrillator) device nearby would be better.

Agreed, adding AED's to the subject changes everything, but I doubt any of our fellow riders will be packing one. So we're stuck with non-electrically enhanced BLS until the troops arrive.

These are just my opinions of course, and in no way do I intend to influence the opinions of others.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. The situations I listed are a copy paste from the "Hands Only" PDF published on the American Heart Association Instructor web site. If your training/experience disagrees with their science that's cool, go with it.

I'm an ACLS provider and BLS Training Site Faculty so I preach the party line at the level appropriate for the CPR providers, whether they be bystanders, laypersons, or healthcare providers. American Heart does the studies and creates the the training. Their science is sound. The best chance for positive outcomes is to follow the standards.

I guess one thing we agree on is to do something. I'd much rather see someone do something half right (with good intentions) than do nothing at all. Doing nothing guarantees a negative outcome.

No offence intended Frito.

None taken.

 

[Thug]

Love it!!!!

 

[MEM]

Love that vid !

A good change made to the CPR procedure was removing the need to landmark for chest compressions, thereby making it easier for a layperson to do them 'correctly'.

Indeed, doing SOMEthing is better than doing nothing.

 

[Thug]

As I have always said to my students...80% of something is better than 100% of nothing...

 

[cruppelt]

The situations I listed are a copy paste from the "Hands Only" PDF published on the American Heart Association Instructor web site. If your training/experience disagrees with their science that's cool, go with it.

I'm an ACLS provider and BLS Training Site Faculty so I preach the party line at the level appropriate for the CPR providers, whether they be bystanders, laypersons, or healthcare providers. American Heart does the studies and creates the the training. Their science is sound. The best chance for positive outcomes is to follow the standards.

During my 8 years (1988-1996) as a weekend "Sanitäter" (EMT) in Germany, the official CPR ratio taught in the ongoing continuing ed classes changed 5 times, and the treatment of open burns 3 times.

It is important to read up every so often about where the latest research points, but YES, do SOMETHING rather then nothing because you're afraid of doing it wrong. I believe that most ratios for CPR that were taught in the last 20 years will get you pretty close.

Thanks for the youtube link, love the video!

 

[Ken45]

The most important first aid item is what is carried between your ears.

Any injury that is able to be handled by a small pouch sized first aid kit isn't a life threatening injury.

If someone is bleeding enough to be a life threatening situation, a small kit isn't going to do any good, and I'm not going to worry about sterile dressings. A tee shirt, a jacket, a belt, a piece of rope will do more for serious bleeding than a pocket sized first aid kit.

I used to be an EMT ages ago and I carried my first responder kit for many years...until the case started getting rusty ;-)

BTW, a cheaper source of Kerlix, etc. is vet wrap sold at Tractor Supply or most farm stores. It even comes in pretty colors

I guess one thing we agree on is to do something. I'd much rather see someone do something half right (with good intentions) than do nothing at all. Doing nothing guarantees a negative outcome.

Not necessarily. Moving a victim with a neck or back injury may cause more harm than good. Maybe even permanent paralysis. Just rolling over a victim with a possible spinal injury takes two or three trained people working together.

Maybe training has changed since my day but we were trained that there are only three REAL emergencies: bleeding you can't stop, breathing you can't start, and breech birth.

Ken

 

[ionbeam]

If I ever have an emergency while riding the two most important things I can think of to have on hand are...

Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

 

[Bungie]

Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

One won't do mouth to mouth, the other, you'd probably don't want to

 

[MEM]

Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

One won't do mouth to mouth, the other, you'd probably don't want to

:lol:

That would be the one with the Big, Stinky cigar ?!

Thank you, Alan

 

[wheatonFJR]

...Maybe training has changed since my day but we were trained that there are only three REAL emergencies: bleeding you can't stop, breathing you can't start, and breech birth.

Ken

I would add...no beer after a long day's ride at EOM.

But that's just me.

 

[beemerdons]

If I ever have an emergency while riding the two most important things I can think of to have on hand are...

Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

Decisions, decisions!

 

[ionbeam]

...Before this thread goes too quickly down the crapper...tell us how to put together a credible First Aid Kit that might offer at least a bandaid solution to the most probable injurie...

...Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

One won't do mouth to mouth, the other, you'd probably don't want to

I posted my reply in the spirit of the opening post. If someone is or should be doing chest compressions and breathing for me then I'm already dead and don't really give a s#it about what or who is or isn't doing things. In this situation a good band-aid, high quality antibiotic or kick *** First Aid kit isn't gonna do much unless it contains something like a BVM.

 

[Joe2Lmaker]

..., would you EMT types post up and tell us how to put together a credible First Aid Kit that might offer at least a bandaid solution to the most probable injuries assuming ATGATT and given that real estate on the Feej is tight?

How do you feel about starting with an off the shelf kit and adding to it?

The advantage would be the clear labeling. I already know what's in it. What if someone needs to use it on me? (Not that crashes are likely, given my moderate riding style )

I bought a Swift First Aid kit, similar to this:

1 Bloodstopper Bandage

2 Lamino Trauma Pads, 5 x 9"

1 Waterproof Tape, 1/2" x 5 yds.

2 Lamino Trauma Pads, 8 x 10"

1 Eye Wash 4 oz. 10 Gauze Pads, 3 x 3"

1 Elastic Bandage, 3" x 5 yds.

8 Fingertip Bandages

1 Gauze Bandage, 3" x 5 yds.

16 Knuckle Bandages

1 Gauze Bandage, 4" x 5 yds.

16 Elastic Bandages, 1 x 3"

1 40" Triangular Bandage

10 Moist Towlettes

1 5 1/2" Bandage Scissors

10 Alcohol Wipes

2 Pairs Latex Gloves

1 Large Cordura Fanny Pack

2 Cold Packs

(I also had to google "VSA".)

 

[beemerdons]

If I ever have an emergency while riding the two most important things I can think of to have on hand are...

Against all odds and Forum shenanigans, I would bet my life on these two professionals.

Decisions, decisions!

Damnit Alan, stop bugging me; I've had 24 hours to think about it, I'll take the one on the right!

 

[MEM]

..., would you EMT types post up and tell us how to put together a credible First Aid Kit that might offer at least a bandaid solution to the most probable injuries assuming ATGATT and given that real estate on the Feej is tight?

How do you feel about starting with an off the shelf kit and adding to it?

The advantage would be the clear labeling. I already know what's in it. What if someone needs to use it on me? (Not that crashes are likely, given my moderate riding style )

I bought a Swift First Aid kit, similar to this:

1 Bloodstopper Bandage

2 Lamino Trauma Pads, 5 x 9"

1 Waterproof Tape, 1/2" x 5 yds.

2 Lamino Trauma Pads, 8 x 10"

1 Eye Wash 4 oz. 10 Gauze Pads, 3 x 3"

1 Elastic Bandage, 3" x 5 yds.

8 Fingertip Bandages

1 Gauze Bandage, 3" x 5 yds.

16 Knuckle Bandages

1 Gauze Bandage, 4" x 5 yds.

16 Elastic Bandages, 1 x 3"

1 40" Triangular Bandage

10 Moist Towlettes

1 5 1/2" Bandage Scissors

10 Alcohol Wipes

2 Pairs Latex Gloves

1 Large Cordura Fanny Pack

2 Cold Packs

(I also had to google "VSA".)

Holy moly! How much space does that take up ? Hmmmm.....shoes or bandages?....shoes or bandages?.......

Seriously, thank you for the input.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

After the deer strike Beemerdons had with his son Seth riding Pillion, I'm rethinking what I would have wanted if it was worse.

 

[beemerdons]

After the deer strike Beemerdons had with his son Seth riding Pillion, I'm rethinking what I would have wanted if it was worse.

Yeah Shiny, you should've offered tu Papa Chuy Viejo one of these, or maybe all three!

 

[HotRodZilla]

After the deer strike Beemerdons had with his son Seth riding Pillion, I'm rethinking what I would have wanted if it was worse.

Ok...Off Topic, but when the Hell did Don and Seth hit a dear??? Recently???

 

[ionbeam]

After the deer strike Beemerdons had with his son Seth riding Pillion, I'm rethinking what I would have wanted if it was worse.

Ok...Off Topic, but when the Hell did Don and Seth hit a dear??? Recently???

Gisele the hirsch jäger Don't mess with those big 6 cylinder murder cycles.