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My bike did not seem to run as well on 87 Octane as it did on 92.

Then I put a PCV with a stock map, that made the bike run better. Then I started using Ethanol-free 89 Octane and it seems to be even better...very smooth.

After a few tanks of Ethanol free I will try the 92 again see how it goes.

 
A fish rises to the bait........ and this once I will take the OP on good faith.......

Hmmm, higher octane is only intended to make the fuel harder to spontaneously ignite under heat and pressure to prevent detonation. Your mileage may actually go down with higher octane fuel unless the engine specifically requires it. If your FJR did not knock on 87 octane then you don't need higher octane and won't gain any benefits from it. The way your FJR runs is independent of octane if it's not knocking. You may see some seasonal differences due to different blends but it is octane independent. Earth is kind of a broad area to be able to tell if you live someplace with significant seasonal changes.

Your bike is supposed to run better with a PCV. From all accounts I have read from Gen I and Gen II people moving to a Gen III, the Gen III runs good enough that it doesn't need any help.

How many miles on that '14? It took my Gen I almost 10k miles to break in and run at its best and coolest. I noticed a steady improvement in smoothness and mileage over the first 6k miles.

 
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Only advantage I have heard for the higher octane stuff is you may get a better additive package in the premium stuff otherwise I agree with ionbeam.

 
Surely it must be better ... it costs more!

/snark

ps ... mine ran perfectly well, thank you very much, on the 85 Octane Regular, in Colorado.

 
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The benefits of ethanol free fuel are no fuel system damage do to the alcohol, no phase seperation and increased fuel economy. I don't know if a closed loop system will show any mpg increase but an open loop system will. Ethanol in your fuel just plain ol sucks.

 
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Oh! You are in Colorado, Oh hell yea, 85 Octane is legal over....its the progressive culture syndrome...nothing bothers you, not even alcohol in 85 Octane gas....ha ha! Its probably the medical ethanol...yea, thats really good for the FJR motor...keeps it running in the CO high altitudes ... hahhaha!

 
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I'm not sure what your point is.

As you appear sure your bike runs better on 92 Octane, than it does on 87 Octane, I'm not sure you have a point.

Personally I am against ethanol in gasoline. It is a wrong-headed sideshow brought about by powerful lobby groups that does nothing to make the energy consumption more "green", and it causes all sorts of knock-on issues.

So while the title of this thread has merits, the rest of the OP is unconvincing. I merely offered a counter-point. Our bikes have 145 hp. The reduced energy content of 92 Octane cannot be felt on the road, and the anti-knock compounds are simply no required at that level unless the bike needs them. My point was that at even at the reduced anti-knock of 85 Octane, the bike was running just fine, and I guess the extra energy contained in each gallon of 85 octane was improving the gas consumption.

Ethanol reduces the energy available by 1 to 3%, but the cost differential is greater than that, so it's your money to waste.

There is clearly the point that gas with ethanol is not stable for long, but it never stays in my tank long enough to be an issue. The bikes are engineered to cope with ethanol, whose main detrimental effect was to the rubber parts of older manufactures bikes.

 
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Surely it must be better ... it costs more!
/snark

ps ... mine ran perfectly well, thank you very much, on the 85 Octane Regular, in Colorado.
The 2 times I put 85 in my 04 were in Utah and lower elevations. My fjr ran like crap off the line (sputter) went back to 87 like Momma Yammha wants and the bike ran fine. Just my 2 cents

 
Surely it must be better ... it costs more!
/snark

ps ... mine ran perfectly well, thank you very much, on the 85 Octane Regular, in Colorado.
The 2 times I put 85 in my 04 were in Utah and lower elevations. My fjr ran like crap off the line (sputter) went back to 87 like Momma Yammha wants and the bike ran fine. Just my 2 cents
My FJR seems to run just fine on 85 octane at higher elevations. I always switch back to regular 87 octane once I am below about 4K feet. In fact, I have only seen the lower octane fuel sold at higher elevations.

 
Well I understand the higher you grow that stuff the more potent it is so at 85 octane it ought to burn more quickly than the stuff below the hills

 
Well I understand the higher you grow that stuff the more potent it is so at 85 octane it ought to burn more quickly than the stuff below the hills
My understanding is at higher altitude the effective compression is less and thus lower octane fine.

Personally I think a little ethanol is a good thing as it keeps the system clean.

 
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I make a point of filling up with Ethanol free Regular in Issaquah when headed east across the Cascades and on the way back in Cle Elum. More expensive but I think the FJR benefits from an occasional tank of ethanol-free gasoline. No proof that it makes any difference but it makes me feel like I am doing something positive. Might be snake-oil but I will continue to drink the Kool-Aid.

 
I use ethanol free gas in all of my small engines because it does not clog up the carburetors like dried corn does if it sits for a while. It seems that anything with fuel injection is a lot more tolerant of the corn. I have to go out of my way to get it, but it's worth it not to have to clean the carburetor in my log splitter or lawn mower.

The only exception is my Stihl chain saw. The manual for that specifically says not to use ethanol free gas because the additives that are used in place of ethanol may react with the alloy in the saw. Sounds hokey to me, but I do try to follow that rule so I don't have trouble with the saw.

 
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In the Users Guide to Forums, under "NEPRD", it reads (and I believe I'm quoting here...):

"See this thread".

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Here in PA it's increasingly harder to even find ethanol free gas but I prefer to use it every chance I get. While it may not seem like much to some folks on here I regularly get an extra 25-40 miles out of each tank when I run it. Riding style is consistent, mostly commuting to work with some pleasure riding thrown in. On our carbureted bikes the difference is even more noticeable. Wife's HD really runs like crap with ethanol fuels. Lots of pinging and hesitation.

 
Well I understand the higher you grow that stuff the more potent it is so at 85 octane it ought to burn more quickly than the stuff below the hills
My understanding is at higher altitude the effective compression is less and thus lower octane fine.

Personally I think a little ethanol is a good thing as it keeps the system clean.
Ethanol does quite the opposite if you do a little homework.... I have read studies that say ethanol reduces gas mileage up to 14%, despite us being led to believe the energy content is only 3% less... the relationship of energy to output wouldn't seem to be linear. Ethanol is very corrosive to fuel systems, and we've all paid the price in newer materials in our systems designed to minimize the harmful effects of ethanol. Small engines in some cases are still vulnerable. I'd say get rid of it as it makes no sense on a lot of levels, but it is so engrained now, that the powers that be who would vote for that will not be in a favourable position to be re-elected.... sad really.

 
I hate salespeople. I've heard of more than a few folks who were told that their "Flex Fuel" car will run on the E85 stuff and run better and get better mileage. BS. My father in law was told the same BS when he bought his car. He came to me a few weeks back all excited that he found a place with the E85 stuff and told me how cheap it was. I asked him to pay attention to his mileage. After two tanks he's pissed and not going back. He suffered a significant decrease in his mileage. Yea, no thanks. Out with the corn please.

 
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